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 No.16644

When actually will be the year of Linux?

Do I need anything in check when turning my old gaming laptop into a linux distro lappy

It is has two gpus, intel and nvidia

 No.16645

>>16644
Also what's the best, most beautiful looking Linux rom, i mean distro

Are there really any differences in all these distros, like other than UI and some CPU tweaks

Is there anything like ASOP that's like pure linux

is DOS open source, what is it and why does it still exist

 No.16646

never

 No.16649

>>16645
If I remember right DOS source code was published long long ago already and forks exist of it

 No.16651

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>>16645
>is DOS open source, what is it and why does it still exist
FreeDos is an open source Dos and comes with a network stack and package manager. It started back in 1994 when Dos was still popular and exists for those that want a more modern Dos as even Caldera Dos is dated by comparison.

 No.16652

>>16644
Around the mid 2000s when it started dominanting as server os and then around 2011 when android took off in popularity.

Linux as a desktop os has never really been popular because most commercial software devs don't support it. Word, Photoshop, Premiere, Illustrator, AutoCAD, etc. don't work on Linux and the vast majority of people who use them aren't willing to use a VM or run an old version with Wine. That's not going to change soon because Linux desktop development is a mess and the effort to ensure compatibility isn't worth capturing the tiny market share of desktop Linux users who are likely using the FOSS alternatives anyway.

The situation is a bit different for gaming because although people involved in media production and other work mostly use macos, gamers & the rest use windows. So some companies like steam are negatively affected by Microsoft's attempt to create their own app platform (Windows Store) and iirc Microsoft has given certain store privileges to Epic Games which is steams direct competitor. That's why steam has been pushing gaming on Linux and contributing to Wine.
>>16645
You could install arch Linux and add what you need to it. There are real differences between distros such as different package repos and package management systems and different init systems.

 No.16653

>>16645
>Also what's the best, most beautiful looking Linux rom, i mean distro

The best desktop Linux in terms of interesting new functionality is probably NixOs with KDE
It's still somewhat newbie friendly while also having the reproducible builds feature.
A single config file can contain basically your entire system configuration and that file can be used to reproduce your exact system.
It makes it easy to tinker with your system and roll it back if you screw it up.
Their package manager eliminates the possibility for dependency problems.

The best looking Linux distro depends on your taste.
Garuda Linux probably has the desktop UI with the most aggressive bling and effects.

If you never used any Linux, you are better served with something like Linux Mint.
If you begin with Linux and want to avoid frustration, you should find a blogger or youtuber with lots of tutorials and then basically do all their tutorials. That way you will pick up a lot of Linux know-how with very little emotional damage.

>Are there really any differences in all these distros, like other than UI and some CPU tweaks

Most Linux Distros work more or less the same under the hood but there sometimes are differences

>Is there anything like ASOP that's like pure linux

Not really
There are base-distros like Debian or Fedora that serve as the basis for many other distros but there is no "pure linux."

>is DOS open source, what is it and why does it still exist

Freedos is open source, and it's mostly used in virtual machines to run old software.

 No.16655

>>16653
>That way you will pick up a lot of Linux know-how with very little emotional damage.

Why you gotta know me like this anon?

 No.16656

>>16645
linux is just an OS kernel
you won't be able to run "pure linux"

 No.16657

>>16653
>KDE
It's pretty, but hard to use even for someone who's been using linux since high school like me. i3, i3-gaps or sway were actually much easier for me to learn when I was starting because all the keybinds are on a single config and you can make it do whatever you want with some tinkering.

 No.16665

>>16657
>i3, i3-gaps or sway were actually much easier for me to learn when I was starting because all the keybinds are on a single config and you can make it do whatever you want with some tinkering.
use dwm, you'll never go back to anything else.

 No.16667

>>16645
>why does it still exist
Many of these legacy systems were set up long time ago and are still kicking through sheer "If It Ain't Broke Don't Fix It™"

 No.16729

i use herbstluftwm as a wm, because it has most useful features (for example tabbing) already included and sane defaults, and the configuration is super easy, in contrast for example to dwm or bspwm
my favourite desktop environment is cinnamon and i use fedora atm

 No.16734

>>16729
hey i was shilling that here months ago

 No.16735

>>16644
>When actually will be the year of Linux?
I moved to all linux about 10 years ago, so for me it's been the decade of Linux.
All i can say is that while there were some downsides, the upside is that it no longer feels like I'm at war with my computer.

When will the rest of people turn to Linux?
I don't know but rumors have it that Microsoft plans to put advertisements into the file explorer.
There has to come a point where de-bloating and sanitizing windows is going to be more effort than learning a bit of Linux.
So i guess that's the point where more people start switching over.

For Linux to really take off there need to be more laptops that come pre-installed with it.
Being honest, if that happens Microsoft will probably go full anti-competitive monopoly tyrant and push for hardware shackles to lock out Linux. They might end killing the X86 platform the same way they tanked Nokia. I don't know how impactful that will be, maybe we will be happy computing on RISCV chips no problem, with some occasional X86 nostalgia.

I guess that with the success of the steam-gaming-handheld the Linux share of personal computing will go up a little bit.

 No.16743

>>16735
We have been on the X86 platform for a stupidly long time and really the AT platform was never meant to be open, IBM just managed to lose control of it. I can't think of any other platform that has hardware compatibility going back 40 years.

 No.16755

>>16645
Just use Fedora. Silverblue if you don't do development (or don't mind a container-based workflow). The year of Linux has been every year since about 2012, it just depends on when you, personally, make the plunge and find out that you can do pretty much everything you need to do for daily computing.

 No.16836


 No.16852

>>16735
How did they tank Nokia

I thought the chromebooks that most students use nowadays run Linux

And so is steamdeck, I feel we are closer than ever to the mass adoption of Linux

Most phones run a type of linux

 No.16855

>>16852
Hate to break it to you but where I live the school gives free laptops… running windows 10 education edition. spooky

 No.16858

>>16855
>free windows 10 eduction laptops
And I'm guessing these are sponsored by Micro$oft?

 No.16859

>>16858
Nah, don't live in that kind of place. They just made secondary education free.

 No.16860

>>16859
The post was guessing the laptops themselves are sponsored by Microsoft, just like how the Mac labs were sponsored by Apple when they were a thing schools had. I was lucky where my High School in the 90s was donated an old Unix workstation that while never used in any courses the computer club had access to.

 No.16913

>>16860
I see. But no, we didn't, microsoft is too far away to be concerned with us. The corruption was propably more local, the same shitty IT firm that has no competition sold them with a literal neckbeard IT guy on the side(he watches anime without subtitles).

 No.16916

>>16644
I've been running EndeavourOS for a few months now after switching from M*njaro and aside from a few games not working I've been having a good time. My laptop actually has a 960M and despite the nvidia problems I've been doing alright with the drivers.

 No.17088

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>>16916
how did you get the drivers to work? i'm using the same os with a gpu similar to a 960m (m1200) and nvidia keeps making me seethe and cope due to how hybrid graphics just refuse to work. i did something that fixed them, and then immediately enraged the mighty novideo gods by installing some retarded script that fucked up everything so hard that i couldn't even use my dgpu lmao. only managed to fix it by randomly stumbling around and reinstalling packages
>>16913
>he watches anime without subtitles

 No.17105

>>17088
Try asking for help in the forum

 No.17158

I am in a CyberSecurity Course.

The strength of Windows is Group Policy Objects and Active Directory.

Linux is not competing in terms of managing 5 server 1000 people 1500 computer environments.

Linux competes on uptime, performance, and avoidance of Microsoft.

 No.17159

>>17088
>pic
He does kind of look like the guy whatshisname Patrik from logged in that had gigachad edited to the pic of him using his pc

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>>17158
>Linux is not competing in terms of managing 5 server 1000 people 1500 computer environments.
Even Unix has ran entire data centres going all the way back into the 1980s. Managing 5 servers is child's play for even AT&T System 5. Unix was rendering the original Toy Story in a massive render farm while Windows NT 3.5 was busy sucking so bad IBM's OS/2 was able to make fun of it. Also who still runs Windows Server?

 No.17161

I can pirate games for linux now as easy as I could when I used Windows, I think we're already on the year of linux desktop.

 No.17167

>>17161
how are you pirating linux games
wehere

 No.17173

>>17167
I ain't gonna say it's name but he could be using forum.torrminatorr.com with the account bugmelol using a password called Bugmenot123 as one of the sources

 No.17189


 No.17222

>>16645
>the best distro
no such thing, most distros are just specific distros with a desktop environment and a package manager.
>Pure Linux
As >>16656 mentioned, Linux is just a kernel. The closest you can get to barebones is from the following distros: arch, gentoo, debian, fedora, opensuse. You start from a tty and have to install all of the software required for a desktop environment, everything from an init system, desktop environment, display/login manager, etc. At the end of the day, all distros are based on one of those distros with all that software pre-installed.

 No.17236

>>16860
>I was lucky where my High School in the 90s was donated an old Unix workstation that while never used in any courses the computer club had access to.
what UNIX did it run?

 No.17239

>>17236
Solaris, it was an old Sun Workstation.

 No.17240

there will never be a year of le linux desktop for the simple reason that Microsoft effectively already has a monopoly on the desktop PC market, with the remainder being the niche that Apple fills. most normies who still use desktops, in enterprisey office environments for example, are effectively locked into the M$ ecosystem by being reliant on Microshit products like Office, or having to run software like Adobe products that are meant for people working in non-technical fields, or worst of all having to run proprietary legacy software that only runs on Windows. also, most normies simply do not care if one piece of software is better than the other or free; they will use whatever they've been forced to use and think nothing of it.

GNU/Linux (i.e., not the kernel but the whole OS; not being a stallmanist autist) already missed the boat to try to capture the smartphone market, though it would have never happened anyways because GNU/Linux is utterly foreign to what smartphones are. Android obviously also uses linux the kernel anyways and has proven that tech companies already know how to subvert free software.

anyways, linux is shit, become a *BSD chad

 No.17241

>>17240
When the X86 finally dies it drag Windows down with it. Windows has been going down hill since 8 with Microsoft keep sending updates that brick computers due to Microsoft cutting their QA to next to nothing. Microsoft will never make a usable port of Windows and the x86 is quickly hitting diminishing returns where eventually Intel and AMD are going have to drop the hardware x86 compatibility to get better performance.
As for Linux, I take it you never stepped foot in a date centre as FreeBSD is seen as a toy with most data centres running Linux or going full fledge Unix like AIX.

 No.17242

>>17241
>when x86 finally dies
you underestimate how much legacy shit there is out in the world that is still being used. but yeah, sure, M$ could one day end up being only used in crusty enterprise environments or the government where they still run XP and pay Microsoft for extended support contracts. if that happens, we'll just see the same thing that happened with Android happen with desktop computers, except with ChromeOS this time.

also, no need to be a condescending ass, I work as a linux sysadmin, I just think *BSD is far more enjoyable to use as an individual (though FreeBSD has most certainly been used in non-trivial cases, most famously by Netflix) and I'm assuming no one on leftypol is coming here asking for advice for what to install on servers at work. Linux is a total clusterfuck on the desktop and increasingly these days as a server since it's pretty much become a contested commons by Google/Microsoft/IBM (via RedHat) and doesn't do anything consistently. if people see *BSD as a toy it's only because tech people tend to be just as susceptible to the same lemming herd mentality of middle managers without realizing it and will dismiss anything that isn't already being used by FAGMAN

 No.17245

>>17242
Intel has been trying to kill the x86 architecture since before the IBM 5150 launched, with originally the 8086 and 8088 being seen as a failure by Intel till IBM decided to use it. Thus like Motorola with the 68k series (that Motorola engineers were much happier with even at its end of life), Intel could just one day stick to its plans on moving on to another architecture. At first nothing much will happen as people could still by current gen x86 but like with Motorola moving to PPC the industry will eventually clue in the old architecture is not going to advance anymore and just stop whining and port their code.

 No.17275

>>17241
There's Windows on Arm. It works. As much as any Windows can.

 No.17276

>>17240
>*rants about how corporations are controlling the software ecosystem*
>*advocates cucking your self by running an OS licensed under the most porky friendly license*

Don't get me wrong I get why people run BSD OS's, and even then FreeBSD is at best a worse version of desktop Linux and a boring server software that doesn't have much advantage over running Linux except for ZFS already coming installed and it's business friendly license, hell even its shell, tcsh, doesn't have any selling points over using bash.

Linux dominating the UNIX market was an absolute miracle considering BSD was both a household name and had a porky friendly license.

I couldn't be happier that BSD got itself dragged into a lawsuit with AT&T so Linux, GNU and GPL could flourish, imagine a LibreSoftware hellscape where porky would take everything and give nothing back, this would have been the world had BSD been dominating, but fortunately for the free software world, that didn't happen.

 No.17291

>>17276
>Linux, GNU and GPL could flourish
Even before Linux became popular GNU software proliferated on many UNIX installs. GCC was the only freely available high quality C compiler for a long time.
>doesn't have much advantage over running Linux
BSDs are less of a mess to maintain than Linux distros due to the clear seperation between the base system and ports. Rolling release distros expose the inherent problems in the Linux approach of assembling an OS from at least a dozen of disparately and possibly poorly maintained projects, that is otherwise pushed onto the distro maintainers. OpenBSD in contrast even has their own OpenSSL and X-Windows distributions.
>imagine a LibreSoftware hellscape where porky would take everything and give nothing back
The only good coming of corporate contributions are the device driver. Otherwise they frequently try pushing NTisms into Linux kernel and userspace.

 No.17305

>>16644
Linux is a specter, it will eventually become the dominant os over time because it's the workers os.
What holds it back it some desktop smoothness, nvidia, and property software, (and small things).

Especially highlighting on the third point, if for example linux gets better at gaming, then more users will be more comfortable to switch, and the the more users, the more programs being made for it, and so on.

This is also ignoring the fact that many people just use an os to run a browser. It's not a surprise how the chrome books were a huge success.

>>17240
>GNU/Linux (i.e., not the kernel but the whole OS; not being a stallmanist autist) already missed the boat to try to capture the smartphone market,
Technically I guess, but doesn't mean as much when android (which is based on linux) dominates the phone os market.

>most normies who still use desktops, in enterprisey office environments for example, are effectively locked into the M$ ecosystem by being reliant on Microshit products like Office

That's untrue, there's been a raise in the usage of the google suite. Which only requires a browser, which grants linux an opening.

>having to run software like Adobe products that are meant for people working in non-technical fields

Not sure if I can agree, if open source programs become more popular, then there can be an incentive to switch since they wouldn't have to pay money to adobe.

>or worst of all having to run proprietary legacy software that only runs on Windows

Not wrong, but eventually legacy software will just be unworth to deal with

>become a *BSD chad

Why? What benefits does it hold over linux? (Not being sarcastic I don't actually know).

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>>17160
I understand the premise of supercomputers. I was not disagreeing with that.

I specifically am referring to user policy over 1500 computers with 100 managers.

 No.17566

>>16644
The year of Linux will arrive if China starts producing PC components with architectures they have full controll over to a wide consumer market and Microsoft in a desperate attempt to reduce the market share of products which have supply chains that the Americans can't interfere with and lack built-in backdoors for the NSA somehow "bans" those Chinese processors or other components by making it impossible to use with Windows. This would drastically increase the global market share of Linux. You might say that it would make no sense for Microsoft to undermine their number one asset, that is monopoly over the OS market, but we have seen the United States do the same thing on a larger scale with the freezing of Russian assets which undermines their general financial dominance or the trade war against China which will on the long-term force the Chinese economy to detach from the chokepoints in the global electronics supply chain that the US is using to blackmail them. If in the scenario I've described earlier Microsoft rejects the nuclear option, then this would surely mean that the American Empire has accepted its inevitable decline and is only a few steps away from its final collapse.

 No.17581

>>17566
Maybe the first step will be a Chinese console. Like a Tencent console or something.

 No.17587

>>17581
We already have the Steam Deck that is a Linux console. What would really disrupt the market is Linux office machine that undercuts OEM Wintel machines to the point the likes of Dell and Lenovo goes bankrupt like Atari and Commodore did, leaving US companies with no choice to buy Chinese PCs for their offices if they don't want to assemble themselves.

 No.17588

Seems like kinda an irrelevant question these days, no? Most consumer level computing is done on phones these days, and we all remember just how well Microsoft did in that battle. And while they do hold a grip over business, education and government, it seems like they're fully making a pivot towards software as a service rather than hard windows installs. I could see Linux and Google potentially eating their educational market share in the future, but I think the dominance of Azure, Outlook, Office (especially Excel with the many arcane scripts some businesses rely on) and Active Directory in the business sector has them firmly in trenched, especially for larger, older organizations. And in the case of the US government, their lobbying has successful made many Microsoft owned software a basic requirement to meet DoD standards. I don't think its impossible for Window's market share to diminish if Linux becomes more competitive, the problem is the other "mission critical" Microsoft software that helps keep the platform relevant. And even if suitable alternatives arrive, it would take decades to fully migrate, not to mention they could have proprietary anti-user components as well.


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