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 No.465257[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

How do we refute the right-wing claim that leftists seek to "abolish" the family and romance?

This seems to be the biggest hurdle I've come across when talking to working-class conservatives. Many of them seem fairly sympathetic to the idea of socialism in an economic sense, i.e. they like the idea of workers' self-management, central planning, free healthcare, housing for all, a "government of action", etc. Yet they refuse to fall behind socialism because they believe that 1. communists want to abolish marriage, 2. communists want to abolish the nuclear family as an institution, 3. communists want to take children away and put them all in communes where they have no clue who their bio parents are, 4. communists support abortion (this is THE biggest issue for a lot of right-wingers, even trumping economics), and 5. communists want to see non-attachment relationships and polyamory (especially queer relationships) be the norm to replace marriage and family.

How do we counter this? I've thought about bringing up the fact that socialist countries that exist today are quite conservative when it comes to issues of marriage and family but I can't give any details to show how.
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as young KJU is I'd be weirded out by a nation calling me daddy.


>ignores entirety of the thread so far and posts a worthless reply
every time


>the left paying the price for ultra anarkiddy cultural opinions again


Remember that bill that right wing Democrats like Manchin and Republicans won't vote for? Pass the damn thing.

The far left hates familes, that's why we want to subsidize children.
>Rightwing Deathcult Intensifies



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If autistic people have more intrinsic motivation to do work than neurotypicals, how would socialism/communism, under a majority autistic population, work out? I tried talking about this on normal 4chan, but there were so many misconception like: "socialism is when the government does stuff" and "plumbers are paid the same as doctors"
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What is your evidence?


Who could possible be behind this post?


I have no idea what that image is supposed to represent. Autism Speaks porky controlling 4chan via… porn?


Yes. Not A$ specifically, but sex addiction is another tool by which the population is controlled. it may as well be the literal opium of the people


>What is your evidence?
Being autistic with this problem and also knowing other autists with similar issues.


Wanted to add to this. The difficulty with executive function is probably not directly due to autism but due to the depression and anxiety that seems to commonly develop among autists.


 No.416549[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Letzter Pfaden wurde dank der /Pol/acken vom Brett gepusht. Deshalb ein neues Deutschland General.
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why not speak english?


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>mgw Bundesgesundheitsministerin Janine Wissler die Bürgerversicherung einführt und die PKV abschafft.


Was denkt ihr über diese Kurzgesagt Videos? Funk wird ja von der deutschen Regierung finanziert, also haben die doch irgendwas vor. Ich meine, könntet ihr euch jemals vorstellen, dass die chinesische Regierung ein solches Video für ihre Bevölkerung machen würde? Das wäre unvorstellbar. Xi Jinping hat offen gesagt, dass die chinesische Regierung offensiv gegen "Historischen Nihilismus" vorgehen muss. Ich glaube, dass Nihilismus zwangsläufig aus dem Liberalismus entspringt und es ist eigentlich kein Zufall, dass in liberalen Demokratien solcherlei Videos und Kanäle wie Kurzgesagt entstehen. Warum will man uns zu Nihilisten machen? Der Nihilismus selbst ist eine widersprüchliche Ideologie, genauso wie die Postmoderne. Das kann kein Zufall sein, dass unsere Regierung nihilistische Ideologien verbreitet….


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Niemand könnte der DDR mehr Unrecht tun als so ein Spast wie du der mit ihrer Fahne solche getriggerte Scheiße auskotzt.
Mach doch gleich ein Stasiopfer Museum auf du rechter Spinner.


Dieser Huso ist kein Sozialist sondern ein rechter Troll der sich absichtlich so dumm stellt um Linke zu diskreditieren.
Niemand ist tatsächlich so geistig behindert.


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What’s the point in caring about politics? I just don’t give a shit anymore—I’m done. I am going to stop reading political news from either liberal or leftist sources—it’s all disinformation and there’s no making heads or tails of what is actually the truth. I’m not going to register to vote either—at this point you’re delusional if you think bourgeoisie electorialism works for any purpose. I’m not going to organize—the American Left and American Anarchy are a pathetic and toothless. No revolution is going to save us, and even if one did who is to say that post-revolution America would be any better? If anything, if America collapsed, it’d probably collapse into a MAGA-fueled fascist state.

Post-leftism isn’t it either. I agree with post-leftism and Stirnirite egoism from a logical point of view, but the conclusion of such ideologies is idealistic and unsustainable. According to such theories, true freedom will only be found in egoist anarchy free of fixed ideas such as ideology, state, laws, and the like. Is such a society possible? I say no, it’s as idealistic as the end goal of communism. Post-left anarchists have views in common with anti-civilization positions, but I am vehemently pro-civilization. Reading Desert by Anonymous—wherein the author argues that anarchy will be possible in post-climate collapse deserts—I scoffed. Do these idealistic fools know how arduous and miserable that life would be? I am willing to gander that the majority of post-civilizationists have no idea what it will be like to live without running water, electricity, air conditioning, and the like. All this in mind, I still am an “egoist” in the sense that I believe that egoism is the most logical conclusion out of all the political philosophies I have read, but egoism being the logical conclusion is what leads me to my ultimate nihilism.

I am neither a fascist nor a liberal nor a leftist nor an anarchist nor anything else. I defy Aristotle—I refuse to be a political animal. I don’t know what do with my nihilism—perhaps doing nothing is the answer. At least nothing political.

So my fellow anons, what do you think? Is my thinking flawed? Why should I care about politics? Why do you think the left/anarchism will save us from the clutches of late stage capitalism? Enlighten me; I am genuinely curious as I have completely given up.
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<Somehow agree with Stirner, but love spooks
>being an egoist is about rejecting spooks because spooks bad
meta-spooked. also idk, some people don't want to live their last days in a post-apocalyptic wasteland

>that society is fucked but you can't do anything about it

unsure how this is a liberal position, but whatever. what's wrong with this view? there have been no efforts to address climate change, and the survival of civilization is probably predicated on a revolution somehow happening in the near future. "incremental progress" is fucking bullshit. it simply isn't happening. unless you are leading a vanguard party then fuck off lol

there are no real contradictions to take advantage of. the first world benefits too much from imperialism that most of the working class are ultimately placated where they are. unless you have an idea on how to get the fucking middle class to participate in violent uprising. voting is clearly useless. the us amongst other countries is a one party shithole. all currents of revolution either get reincorporated into capitalism or the feds spirit you away. socialist states abroad get sanctioned by every country on the planet, routinely threatened with violence, and have the us fund reactionaries to fuck shit up

>change yourself at all from the status quo mold

why would that do anything lol? vapid self-actualization is just a shallow edification which ignores the systematic nature capital

>because politics and how you live your daily life are totally intertwined

as are the laws of physics, but you can't do anything about those. why this means one should chase after facile political change instead of a cynical exploitation of the system is a mystery


…with that said i am not a complete defeatist, ontically, just looking at the state of the world, i am. but i WANT civilization to not collapse. i just don't know how to do this. maybe there is a new critique which can somehow move past our current rut like >>496759 suggests. i really want to believe there is a light at the end of the tunnel but nothing indicates this except maybe china lol


Based Agent Kochinski



he went camping, didnt pack enough, almost dehydrated and all around just got BTFO by the experience cuz he's an urbanite


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 No.225026[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

🗽United States Politics🦅


Thread for petit discussion related to the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the earth.


News livestreams:
CNN: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html
MSNBC: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html
FOX: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html
Bloomberg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp8PhLsUcFEegalitarianism
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Fucking lol


Wait, did trump say to his people to go to use a mask and vaccinate now?
Too many questions



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>gets booed
My fricking lol. I thought the guy would be at least coherent with his base in that regard.


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 No.370215[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

/Internet Trash General/ - endless eceleberry
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>How could Schwabian Thought not be considered Socialist?
not a dengist but this is completely a stretch. China still has 50% nationalized industry. It's not even fucking close to great reset social market economy


Caleb Maupin is petite bourgeoisie and this explains a lot of his views.
Caleb Maupin is petite bourgeoisie as he makes 10s of thousands a year from donations and book sales. His positions are pure grift to aid in his self employment income he says revisionist and retard things as they are popular bringing non Marxists into his base of subscribers.
Outside of his self employment he has a labour aristocrat job at RT leading to retard positions such as Russia and Iran are socialist.
Despite his labour aristocrat job he is still classified as petite bourgeoisie.



one step further. Nearly all white marxist youtubers are petit bougeoise who rely on espousing marxist beliefs to earn a buck. They are enchanted with leftism because its such a deep pool of knowledge and built it into a career. Even more, most socialists/marxists/communists are just edgy upper class white guys trying to be contrarian.

If someone stole maupin's car or if he had to ride a bus full of negros and hispanics, he would become a rightoid.


I agree he is petite bourgeoisie and probably a grifter, but aren't petite bourgeois closer to proletarians than bourgeoisie?


Can someone explain this sudden and recent onslaught of Maupin hate to the point where people are raiding his streams? I feel like we are getting raided by Agent Kochinski's or some anarchist fbi.gov.


Didn't he literally save 2 PoC from getting arrested for a false accusation or something?


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 No.353583[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Thread dedicated to the discussion of Australian politics and events.

Come one come all to watch this island off the coast of Asia slowly slide into a workers paradise or a live-action version of Mad Max.

Previous thread: >>>/leftypol_archive/19690
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Interesting. When all is said and done, has China actually done something purposefully which Australians have a right to be mad about? Or is it all driven by geopolitics/media propaganda/racism?


Hmm afaik china put tariffs on some of our exports in response to australia pushing the whole covid origin thing and uighur pressure


The Chinese government has certainly been quite bold in some their statements which hasn't sat well with Australians that are already riled up about China, but in short - no, they haven't.
Basically, Australia started blocking Chinese companies (such as Huawei) and increasing tariffs on Chinese imports. By all accounts we're being a patsy for US foreign policy, stirring up shit to keep them happy. Given that China has made Australia very rich through our mineral and coal exports, this is an astounding decision. Every time China has tried to resolve this diplomatically, Australia has accused China of 'bullying' Australia.
You can find some level headed writings on this here:


How do the tariffs Australia has placed on Chinese goods compare to the ones placed on Australia by China?


China has put restrictions in place on beef, barley, wine and coal.
Australia has put restrictions in place on herbicides, paper, aluminium, glass, steel, electrical cables and a bunch of random shit used in construction and mining.
Note that countries such as the US have swooped in and have made a lot of money in the Chinese market on goods Australia has been locked out of exporting to China.



A United states Lt. Colonel who is still actively part of the Marines in his uniform announced that he filing charges against the commander of united states central commend Kenneth McKenzie for his handling of Afghanistan withdrawal.

This man is very very brave and/or shortsighted and the MIC is going to crack down on him insanely hard so noone ever does this again




Mods don't remove this, this is pretty historic rebellion for recent times in usa.
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>What he did in this video is going to get him court martialed.
That's not neccesarily in conflict with a narrative that he's in this for clout, his story has already been picked up by Tucker Carlson. There's plenty of anger at military high command from the right snd thid would create a whole psychodrama to rile them up for the midterms


Petite bourgs tend to get away with a lot of shit, yeah.
Also, yeah.
Daniel Birmingham



What a retard.

>Why do you think literally no other person is doing this?
Maybe because most of them are not all that upset about leaving Afghanistan? Despite what the MSM would have you believe.

I like how you didn't answer his question and are being intentionally vague in general. No one is fooled bud.


It was an Army officer, and yeah it's bullshit how much rightoids in the military are allowed to get away with by comparison


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Drop those PDF's or else
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Dunno why but i have been downloading a bunch of books about explosives.



better version


thx m8


read it


 No.472774[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Chairman Foster passed away 60 years ago today (September 1, 1961) in the USSR.

Say something nice about him whether you're CPUSA or not.
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The greatest American communist who ever lived (probably).


All this CPUSA nostalgia is pathetic NGL.


Why? Because American leftists are growing tired of the doom and gloom and want to return to a time when communists were all about positivity and how much the common person has to gain from revolution (rather than lose)?


>Shut up Unruhe.
He does not advocate what that post implied.


I mean, Unruhe is a white guy LARPing as “an indigenous person” right?


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I've only briefly looked into that country and I'm surprised by the amount of imperialism tha apart of it, apparently when haitians took over haiti, they also annexed the Dominican republic meaning haitians had control over the largest island(Santa dominica) in the Caribbean and started becoming imperialist shitheads that went on to invade and takeover other parts of the Caribbean by force and at some point tried invading other parts of south america and nearly annexed it all, this was partly a motivator behind why they got sanctioned so many times and why there are so many calls for haiti to disband its military along with where anti haitian sentiment comes from. It's strange to me, you guys got any thoughts on why this had to happen
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>You mean more free trade and looser borders between states?
Yes, pretty much anything that unites more of Latin America and caribbean into a bloc to oppose imperialism. Things like the trading bloc of ALBA or ALBA–TCP, formally the Bolivarian Alliance for the Peoples of Our America (Spanish: Alianza Bolivariana para los Pueblos de Nuestra América) or the Bolivarian Alliance for the Peoples of Our America – Peoples' Trade Treaty, needs to be expanded to all of Latin and caribbean Americas.

First world peoples of the imperialist core of Canada and USA must show solitary thought strikes shutting down major industries for the capitalists in their core and demanding on intervention in Latin America and cease funding far right regimes.


Anon what do you think the bolshevik revolution and the expansion of the ussr was? You do understand that russia is the most ethnically diverse country in all of europe right?


>Anon what do you think the bolshevik revolution and the expansion of the ussr was? You do understand that russia is the most ethnically diverse country in all of europe right?
Where did I say it wasn't or imply that? Wot?


I thought in your post you were implying a revolution in Haiti would be different from a bolshevik one considering the conditions in both the tsar and modern haiti are similar to me


ya sorry, I was saying it would have to be more akin to Hugo Chavez style of revolution in modern Haiti instead of the Leninist style due to the material conditions on the ground. So in Haiti, American and Canadian mining interests have huge stakes in Haiti. There would have to be a mass mobilization of society to demand an end to the sham elections in Haiti so a Chavez like figure can get elected and move Haiti out of neolib capitalism.


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Are there any good "political" tech tubers? I'm tired of "non political" tech youtubers screeching every other video about politics and how essjaydoobs not letting them say n-word is gonna destroy the world and that's just too "political".
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Well to be fair I didn't watch the video properly (since I'm uninterested in whatever he's showing) so I skipped around the video but it's good that he's not surrendering open source.

Rightoids are just more highlighted in the area because they are being kicked out of mainstream platforms so they have to go with alternative open source software where they can be safe. Also there happens to be a lot of foss supporters from countries like Russia where people generally align themselves with hating le sjws and beating their wives.


Right-wingers are poseurs who think they are the hot shit for inconveniencing themselves.


>>11584 (me)
Now that I've said that I'm wondering how redoing the Stalin scheme compiler as common lisp to rust instead of scheme to C would go
Does rust have a decent tree shaker?


The best anti-techs are techs. They know shit's technically fucked rather than just coming from a vague "muh tradition". Although many then succumb to the latter as a byproduct because they latch to the most accessible ideology at hand that justifies their anti-tech stance on some "deeper" level. The guy in OP seems like such an example.


Follow YouTubers who talk about Apple products.


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Can we have a board specifically for just general threads?
General threads are cool and all, but i do like to be able to click into leftypol and see new threads than i did yesterday. I know i can use the catalog but like, i kinda like not having to slog through the generals.



It is time for us to start the counter-attack, this cannot go on
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>killing rapists and nazis is… le bad!
what the fuck is wrong with japan, i thought this game might be /ourvn/ because of the messages about displacement of tribal peoples (literally explicity talks about jews being oppressed in europe) but there are rape scenes every chapter and even the main character rapes and nothing happens to him as payback? this is just retarded pacifist propaganda because japan is scared of actual political change i guess


Do you mean Full Metal Daemon: Muramasa?
I dimly recall this so mind giving some examples of your greentext?


There was a short thread about it


The thread doesn't really detail specifically the parts that YOU disliked tho, please explain.


tbf a lot of VNs have sex scenes basically tacked on due to the belief these kinds of games can't sell otherwise. And it always has rape undertones because that's hentai


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 No.211384[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

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Yes, but irredentism is good, when you have a red flag


We're having a chat about China-Australia relations in the Australia General if anyone is interested.



Where can I learn about china's nationalities and ethnicities policy and their its change over time from Mao to post Mao to post soviet to the Xi jinping era


Also what are Chinese and Russian relations like? Does China eye Russian far east territory?


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 No.374637[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

5th Edition: Real succdem hour edition

Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Elections, open orgs, Myanmar breaking apart or just random shit. There’r still dozens of us… hopefully!

Matrix room: https://matrix.to/#/!YeYeuZuLSYkegWssey:matrix.org?via=matrix.org

Last threads:
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>The great reformer
Too bad he didn’t reform enough to get out of neoliberalism though. Nonetheless he’s not the reason for the reforms but the people that protested were.


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RIP he seemed pretty cool.


Cases in Singapore hitting 1k liao. Guess it is back to shift work soon.


“The open the economy” plan here got pushed back to the end of the month. We’re probably heading toward covid being flu 2.0. scenario for the world.


>Imagine having one of the longest parliament session in Singapore about immigration and racism where everyone including you beats their dead horses, only for the biggest takeaway from it that you are an elitist.

Couldn't have happened to a worse person.


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>Epik, host of 8chan, TheDonald, Gab, Parler, The Daily Stormer, Oathkeeper website and the Proudboy has been hacked, the domain information has been released. Anonymous has claimed responsibility for the hack. The hack seems to be legitimate and people have started releasing data.


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They ban you if you're a leftoid on Gab.



How the fuck does that possibly cope with their deranged 'free-market of ideas' 'without Big-Tech #shadowbanning us the majority of the internet would be rightoids' crap though?
If they have to ban the other people they dont like off their site because it trounces them in terms of viewershp.


I'm still waiting for the punchline


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in fairness and in the spirit of contrarianism, i will say that the 2001 invasion had reasonably broad support. very much a top-10 anime crossovers situation. at one point Iranian special forces even helped capture a city alongside the US, Northern Alliance and UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_uprising_in_Herat (hello Soleimani!)

i say this mainly because there's a tendency now to conflate it with Iraq as part of Bush's stupid desert wars since the occupation of Afghanistan was such a disaster, which manages to accidentally downplay just how insane and transparently unjustified the story of Iraq was. a fair case can be assembled (though with hindsight it would mostly be an academic exercise) for the 2001 invasion (although obviously you'd need an entirely different approach post-war), particularly given the country was already in a case of civil war. A fair case for the Iraq war on the other hand is more or less impossible even with the information available at the time.


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that account is a gold mine for pro-Nato apologia, holy shit, why are socdems like this?



Hoy fuck what did I just read, I think I lost some brain cells seeing this NATO boot licker trying and say the people were for Invading Afghanistan. Saying the Afghan people "consensual" with another country invading them. Considering the US basically invaded them with the Soviets were protecting the government at the time.


never trust a rosa killer


 No.294972[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

The other thread was full.
Anything Latinoamérica related, let's unite in discussion while the CIA-funded military hasn't decide to torture us to death for the time being.
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Bendito sea Vladimir Cerron al haber llamado Partido Libertario al primer Peru Libre jajaja
>El Partido Político Nacional Perú Libertario es la avanzada del futuro socialismo peruano,
dispuesto al cambio y la transformación, acorde a nuestros tiempos y nuestra realidad
Joya que encontre


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Despues de tener que aguantar media hora en twatter gonzalista encontre esta joya.
Ptm jajaja


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>various Marxist members of FDT


Communist party of Argentina, Extrodinary congress, and Revolutionary Communist party are all part of FDT, though only the Maoists have anybody elected to the national level


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 No.490679[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Fascistas anti-fascistas edition

Jair se arrependeu? Será que Ciro e PCdoB aprenderam alguma coisa?
Tantas perguntas, todas respondidas com não.

Last fio: https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/480080.html#490672
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E dps vêm os fascistinhas do MBL dizendo que a esquerda não quer remover o bozo pq "só assim o Lula ganha"


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Sempre acontece



Que vontade de esfregar a cara de goblin obeso desse j*deu fétido no asfalto


>this easy as hell of a problem to fix mess when brazil has so many raw resources
You see, that's precisely what the people that govern us don't want to do.

Having a bunch of quasi-illiterate, religiously indoctrinated morons who are too poor to think about anything other than feeding themselves and their families is a great way of keeping most of the population subservient and stupid, and ensuring they'll vooooote for whatever grifter appears next election.

It's easier for Brazil to slide into the bottom of the ocean than it is for it to fulfill its destiny as the 'country of the future'.


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Hello tech! Recently I have been feeling a bit nostalgic as of late and I am looking to build a computer with the best specs I can put in it that will still be reasonable and run windows 98 for nostalgia and classic computer gaming purposes. The only issue I am having trouble with is where, exactly, to start. I was around during this time, but, I was not exactly very tech savvy. I am curious if anyone would have any ideas for how this build should go. What case should I use? Hard drive? Floppy drive? Etc etc.

Would enjoy to get this off the ground. I think it would be a neat project. If you have any advice let me know. Thanks, tech.
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Yes because they focus on the physical artifacts from that time while on the opposite end those making VR frontends for emulators are focusing on the experience.


And that's why I'm anti-nostalgiafagging, and avoided going down that potentially very expensive rabbit hole.
By the way, if you make a perfect VR experience then nostaligafags will complain that it doesn't replicate the correct smell of body-odor from a real arcade.


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Old hardware is fun. Don't listen to the "noo don't fall for the meme" because there is no meme, just don't fall for eBay prices and dumb nostalgic bait, do it because it's fun, interesting and a good way to learn and make friends.


One of my dream projects is to make a sleeper PC using the case of a old IBM 5150 or a similar looking clone case.

Or is it’s possible, make a custom computer case that looks similar to it, with a woodgrain look to the top and sides of the case.


Collectors make the IBM 5150, 5160 (XT) costly unless you find someone selling a busted one for parts or manage to get one from a recycler that still get computers that old.


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What do you guys think about public morals/mores?
As a socialist, how should I look upon public morals? I bring up this question because I come from an exceptionally conservative-from-the-start country where morals and other values is extremely upheld here.


To put the "objective morality" meme aside. Let's base morals off public safety, if one does something that harms the physical and mental security of someone around them like assaulting others than they're doing something bad, if they're doing something that improves the public physical/mental security and well being around them like helping the elderly cross streets than they're doing something good


conservative morality is just there to excuse shitty behaviour, like blaming people on degeneracy and 'loose morals' for the decline in society, not because they beat their kids and screwed them up,


Spooks. Dare to win.


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Morals are not real, they stem from how material conditions shape ideology.
There is this book marxism and ethics by Eugen Kamenka but haven't had the time to read it and going from what I've skimmed over other books by Kamenka Marxist ethics are actually very different from other more established ethics schools.


Imperialism's favorite marketing technique, known as 'humanitarian intervention' today and 'manifest destiny' or 'white man's burden' back then, reduces all historical context to "they are bad, we are better, so we have a moral license to do anything" not sure this is a problem with morals per se, just how they are used


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Hello everyone. This is the thread to make this week's proposals. To see last week's successful proposals, please go to the voting topic for this week. We have these proposals which failed previously, that perhaps we should discuss again this week (I won't put these on the docket, unless someone actually brings them up with amendments so they might pass this time):

Proposal: Equip each board with a sticky detailing its purpose and rules. This should ideally include any and all of the various and more or less obscure bylaws, such as covid denialism being allowed in the covid-19 general but nowhere else. (this proposal has now not been accepted for 2 weeks and is STALE, it will be removed next week)

proposal: filter "socially conservative" to "actually reactionary"

proposal: filter "socially conservative" to "socially inept"

proposal: filter "stupid pol" to "stupid polyps" and "stupidpol" to "stupid polyps"

Once again, I must clarify that ONLY MODS CAN ACTUALLY VOTE ON PROPOSALS OR VOTES. Anons are free to have their say and offer suggestions and feedback to improve proposals/votes but these are only advisory and user votes are not counted for official decisionmaking. But who knows, a persuasive enough argument might sway the mod team to your cause?

Please reply to this post to post proposals for consideration next week. If a user proposal seems like a good idea, we may adopt it and make it official. Thanks everyone. Feel free to post your opinions but try not to spam or needlessly bicker back and forth in order to keep the thread clear and legible. Any off-topic posts may be removed without warning.
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not suggesting, but you could wordfilter "touch grass" into "read theory" if you really want to.


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Woodward revelations expose Democrats’ calls for “unity” with Republican coup plotters
>The Biden White House and Democratic leaders in Congress see any investigation into the January 6 plots as an obstacle to bipartisan collaboration with the Republicans.

The revelations coming from Woodward and Costa shows how close to dictatorship the system became during the final days of Trump Presidency. While knowing all these facts Democrats are still calling for unity and extending their arm to the right-wing Republican conspirators for the sake of not destabilizing American Capitalism and the two party system that has become the foundation of class rule in US. In any case, the events of January 6 and it's aftermath must be seen as a grave warning sign to the working class that their interests cannot be respected in either of these two ruling class parties.
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>reactionaries will be crying about Twitter bans


Wow its like the left doesn't exist. It's almost like we are so dangerous that we can't be allowed to exist. Its almost like libs allow reactionaries fester. Oh wow a few got hit hard while the rest are actively encouraged. Yep right has it so tough.


That's the strength of socialism in general.
We can scare capitalists so much that they want to crack down on us.


This is true for rightoids right up until they need some mugshots of fugly antifa goons who are getting sentenced to half a decade in prison for throwing tear gas back at police or something equally inane.
A classic case of right wing "thinking".


wsws has turned into the new cnn


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Amazon reaches agreement with trade unions in Italy
In a protocol signed on Wednesday, Amazon Italia agreed to consult with trade unions on issues like new openings, job training and industrial relations with authorities. "An important agreement … and recognition of the role of the unions, marking something new, at a world level, in relations with the e-commerce giant," said the head of the CGIL union Maurizio Landini. Earlier this year Amazon workers in Italy staged a strike over demands on delivery drivers in the pandemic in the first such action by Amazon's logistics operation in the country.

Russian elections: Kremlin keeps a watchful eye as the Communist Party gains ground in the polls
The Russian Communist party, heir to an organisation that once dominated Soviet life, has had a difficult recent run. In the 1990s it was a competitive opposition; now it is largely viewed as a compliant and toothless front. But even while the ageing leadership remains firmly in the Kremlin’s orbit, the party’s more radical rank-and-file is finding ways to chime with a population hungry for social justice — or often simply hungry for food.

KKE MEP denounces EU machinations against Cuba
Once again, the European Union and its mechanisms play a leading role in promotin counterrevolutionary “voices” against Cuba. This time, the anti-Cuban show was staged at the EU Parliament's Subcommittee on Human Rights (DROI) under the mantle of “activism” and with the known pretexts of “democracy” and “human rights”.

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>Israeli student seeks asylum in UK to avoid committing 'crime of apartheid'
>A court in the UK is set to hear an appeal in the asylum case of a young Israeli who fears he will be conscripted and forced to commit war crimes if he is deported from Britain back to his home country. Lawyers for the 21-year-old rabbinical student, who has been granted an anonymity order, say he fled Israel in 2017 after he received a letter requiring him to report for military service.
Holy based.


>Lol more like the US and its gay orbiter simps
<No Canada.
Anon, I…


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Thanks news anon


news anon is my hero


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Rightoids don't believe in fixed truth and there's no use debating them for this reason. You can see that at shit like unite the right in burgerland where you have jewish zionist kekistanis marching alongside literal neonazis.

It's easier to paper over disagreements when you don't really have ideas to argue about, just instinctual grievances and common hatreds against certain groups that you rationalize.

For the left the reasoning comes first then the conclusions, but leftists differ on reasoning and conclusions which leads to disagreements.

On the right their reasonings are more like rationalizations for why their disgust of LGBTs or anxieties about demographic change or whatever is actually good and justified. And their reasons are a list of rationalizations of why that COULD be true or justified. Rightoid thought is the political equivalent of retconning. Thats why they can shift from le rational skepticism, to libertarianism/ancap, to jordan peterson archetype ideology, to fascism, to whatever. Because they're just reaching for whatever arguments, philosophies, or father-figures would tell them that their inarticulable sense of aggrievement against whoever is totally justified.

What they believe is true at any given moment is whatever would need to be true for them to be right and you to be wrong. They already know they're right, now they just have to find out why, and whoever is the most convincing at any given moment is who they follow in that. That's the basis of all rightoid thought, so they're really all on the same team anyway.

Their disagreements tend to be about interpersonal drama and who slept with who's gf or w/e. Not that that isn't enough.

even boomer neocon thought is based on this sort of post truth shit:

<The phrase was attributed by journalist Ron Suskind to an unnamed official in the George W. Bush administration who used it to denigrate a critic of the administration's policies as someone who based their judgments on facts. In a 2004 article appearing in the New York Times Magazine, Suskind wrote:

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>we have FACTS and LOGIC on our side


ironically ben shapiro is part of the post truth right but he combines le rational skeptic ex-nu atheist mantra of facts and logic with bad faith debate tactics that he literally wrote a whole book on


>it's another freudist psycho-pathological pseudo-analysis of the "opposite" political faction
leftoids should stop worrying so much about rightoids and think a lot more about neolibs
also "le father figure" or whatever is literally the exact same argument that rightards throw on leftards
in case you missed the point, this garbage thread isn't actual analysis, it's just simultaneously intellectual masturbation and a posteriori justification of beliefs to feel smug
shit thread


>leftoids should stop worrying so much about rightoids and think a lot more about neolibs
You can very well do both.
>also "le father figure" or whatever is literally the exact same argument that rightards throw on leftards
The specific argument made by OP has nothing to do with the right-wing "argument" though, the substance of it is completely different.
>in case you missed the point, this garbage thread isn't actual analysis, it's just simultaneously intellectual masturbation and a posteriori justification of beliefs to feel smug shit thread
OP was nearly entirely correct in his analysis though, regardless of the reasons you see for him giving it. The general observation of "assuming ones conclusions to be right, and then rationalizing and warping ones reality to suit those conclusions, as opposed to the conclusions themselves being a result of reasoning" pretty much sums up what I experienced in my time on the right.


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Jordan Peterson is also a post-truth rightoid but he doesn't mean that in a postmodern way actually.



Are there Marxist theories of astronomy?
There are Marxist biologists and ecologists, what about Marxist astronomists?
Is the formation of a star from a collapsing cloud of cosmic dust dialectical?
Is planet formation dialectical?
What about black holes an example of one dividing into two?
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You're coping


pretty cool it gives enough of a fuck to show up to my mom's rural church and make her dance every sunday.


0 sense. Just big words in wrong contexts.


The Marxist critique is about human beings and faults in their understandings, not about a whole new theory of science that seeks to become the theory of everything. Therefore, biology, chemsitry, astronomy, and so on would be fairly self-evident fields. They shouldn't be ideological in the first place, and the only use of Marxist critique would be to attack a theory that is believed to be formed out of ideological necessity rather than a useful description of the real world. For example, a Marxist critique of genetics is possible, so far as the Marxist critique is attacking errors in human thinking about the theory, rather than asserting that dialectical woo woo actually means genes don't exist. (They don't exist in the way Mendel describes them, but it is perfectly valid to speak of heredity and to speak of some material that generates a lifeform, in a way that offspring resemble their parents greatly.) A Marxist critique of eugenics in particular is very possible and necessary, because eugenics is a political program and a social ordering rather than a field of science or a study of nature. Eugenics is nakedly political and doesn't pretend otherwise, if you read Galton.

The use of dialectical thinking in Marxist critique is to question human assumptions of the universe, rather than say that natural processes are "dialectical". The natural world is mechanistic, but our interpretation of events in science is only possible through models that are constructed by humans. Dialectical thinking applies to human thoughts and the philosophical systems we create for ourselves, and it only applies to critique existing theories rather than construct new ones. Ultimately a new theory has to make mechanistic sense, and that new theory needs to conform to all existing observations and be something that can integrate into a whole thinking on the world. For example, you can't just say biology ignores the laws of physics, but you can say that there are concepts that apply in biology that are only appropriate for the field of life. Biology at its core has to include existing chemical and physical knowledge we have in order for its predictions to make much sense, but we define life in such a way that it exhibits properties and relations that don't figure in molecular chemistry. There's nothing "dialectical" about saying that biology concerns different concepts than chemistry. The problem of contradictions, as Marx calls them, is something that is a problem for US, Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



Mechanics and Astronomy
An example of the necessity of dialectical thought and of the non-rigid categories and relations in nature; the law of falling, which already in the case of a period-of-fall of some minutes becomes incorrect, since then the radius of the earth can no longer without error be put= ∞, and the attraction of the earth increases instead of remaining constant as Galileo’s law of falling assumes. Nevertheless, this law is still continually taught, but the reservation omitted!Newtonian attraction and centrifugal force – an example of metaphysical thinking: the problem not solved but only posed, and this preached as the solution. – Ditto Clausius’ dissipation of heat.[224]Newtonian gravitation. The best that can be said of it is that it does not explain but pictures the present state of planetary motion. The motion is given. Ditto the force of attraction of the sun. With these data, how is the motion to be explained? By the parallelogram of forces, by a tangential force which now becomes a necessary postulate that we must accept. That is to say, assuming the eternal character of the existing state, we need a first impulse, God. But neither is the existing planetary state eternal nor is the motion originally compound, but simple rotation, and the parallelogram of forces applied here is wrong, because it did not merely make evident the unknown magnitude, the x, that had still to be found, that is to say in so far as Newton claimed not merely to put the question but to solve it.Newton’s parallelogram of forces in the solar system is true at best for the moment when the annular bodies separate, because then the rotational motion comes into contradiction with itself, appearing on the one hand as attraction, and on the other hand as tangential force. As soon as the separation is complete, however, the motion is again a unity. That this separation must occur is a proof of the dialectical process.Laplace’s theory presupposes only matter in motionrotation necessary for all bodies suspended in universal space.

Mädler, the Fixed Stars
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Can anyone explain how social progressivism squares with moral relativism? It seems like people have hot deconstructionist takes on everything then they get to "trans rights" or some shit and their brain turns off. Please make me a Leftist. I want to understand you and why you believe as you do.
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>I want to understand you and why you believe as you do.
Way to put words in my mouth. Don't equate all leftism with "progressivism" and its watered down reformist half-measures.



Interestingly, I have never used reddit in my life, and am nearly entirely off of social media. After being burned by facebook timewasting, reddit seemed like just worse version of the same.

That said though don't all care about anyone knowing I post on leftypol. I really just don't want the ideas to be stolen. If I do get it published, I'll vehappy to share it.

t. Big bad despotic mongolian illiberal.




I suppose the irony is that Marx himself viewed morality as historically and socially contingent. So quite far from objective and universal.

Still, the absence of objectivity or universality itself does not, and indeed cannot justify culturally liberal or conservative norms; In fact it cannot justify anything.

All this means practically is that we have to own our moral values as our own and treat our moral enemies as just that.


>Still, the absence of objectivity or universality itself does not, and indeed cannot justify culturally liberal or conservative norms; In fact it cannot justify anything.
>All this means practically is that we have to own our moral values as our own and treat our moral enemies as just that.
I agree, and this probably the best take given in this god forsaken thread.


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I think I'm reaching unhealthy levels of being unable to cope with surveillance capitalism. Some random person caught my face for a few seconds during a whatsapp video chat and my day was fucking ruined, seriously.
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keep defying surveillance, but also the only place to draw the line is where it's not needed. Like, you don't need to use facebook over tor, if you're uploading pictures to a site with your real name, etc. I doubt ur doing literally this, but same idea. It's only a problem if it's not protecting something that needs protecting.

Everything else, fuck it. Let it interfere with your life, because odds are it's making your life better and less lib :P


Tor is still useful for Facebook. Ofc they know it's you if you use a real name, but they don't learn about your real OS, browser, fonts, etc. So they can't link you up with the rest of things you do outside of Tor.

IMO it's best to just use Tor all the time, when that's possible. And even in cases when Tor is blocked you can still use a web proxy to get around blocks.


>If I'm going to be paranoid I may as well be well informed.
Understanding how surveillance works is actually the best cure for paranoia. Instead of constantly being anxious because of you don't know where and when "they might get you", you know on a technical level what is harmful and what isn't. From then on it's simply a matter of applying your knowledge, and thus defending against surveillance becomes a cold technical operation.


You make a good point and I hope that will be the case. I've started reading The Age of Surveillance Capitalism which isn't very technical but it's at least interesting and seems like it will give a good overview of what these companies are doing which I could then apply. Only a few chapters in though so might change.


>espionage technology that governments and corporations have developed

Not only that, a lot of it is just because it's a fucking mess, there is so much software and hardware that some kid just slapped together and we all expect it to be fine, the coming of IoT is going to be a dumpsterfire.

Even all for all the surveillance the government and corporations have, it doesn't really seem that effective, when you get petabytes of information, it can be quite hard to find anomalies (but it can be easy to perceive and abuse them) and loads of shit just passes under the radar

It's all a big mess that barely holds together, I do not believe any of this is resilient.



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Why did these guys/guy just disappear off the face of the earth?

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