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 No.19683[Last 50 Posts]

Hello, I've been wanting to switch to Linux for awhile now, but I'm not sure which distro I should use. What distro would you anons recommend I use?

 No.19684

Linux Mint

 No.19685

Linux Mint since Ubuntu is turning increasingly shite from what I hear. perhaps Lubuntu is still decent
I use Debian

 No.19686

Gentoo, Arch, Void.

 No.19687

>>19683
IMO you can start with any "advanced" distro if you give yourself the time to learn it. Once you have your main programs set up, using them will naturaly make you accustomed to their specific workflow. If you wanted to avoid the command line as much as possible, that would entail having a file manager, program bar, right-click menu and installing smaller graphic configurators as needed.
Archlinux has an accessible learning curve due to the large community. Its deep flaws only come to the surface after prolonged use and by then you should know what you want from a distro. Any system setup ultimately boils down to installing programs and configuring them according to their documentation. The archlinux repo, aur and wiki ease beginners into this paradigm.
>>19684
Mint is acceptable, as they take pains to remove questionable aspects from ubuntu upstream. Antix is a much preferable alternative though. While also based on debian, it has significantly less of the brokenness regularly assaulting windows users: obtuse error messages and buggy background processes (see all software on freedesktop.org).

 No.19689

Void Linux, if you want one that is still linux-y. and trust me, you will come to appreciate features like easily writing startup scripts, managing startup and running services in general, sane defaults in applications, file structure that makes sense, helpful community, etc.
https://voidlinux.org/download/
https://docs.voidlinux.org/installation/index.html

>but why not Arch, Gentoo or Slackware

while Slackware (or as I like to call it Slackware+AlienBOB) and Gentoo are good and stable, Slackware's lack of a package manager makes it difficult to install new applications and hunting for sources to drivers can be fun when you're 15 and have nothing to do, but otherwise it's a hassle. Gentoo has a package manager, but still compiles everything from source so installing anything takes a while, which can be annoying when you just wanna install and use something quickly. Arch is a mess, don't even bother.

If you want something akin to the windows experience, then any Debian-derivative with KDE should do.

 No.19690

>beginners
It's an operating system, not chess

 No.19691

I'm into competitive distro hopping.

 No.19692

I'd say start with Linux mint, familiarize yourself with the command line and try to find FOSS alternatives to stuff you'd normally use.
After a few months when you aren't too busy, skip all the distro hopping and just go straight to NixOS, since using Ubuntu/Debian eventually leads to using Arch, and Arch eventually leads to either Void or NixOS. Don't know much about Void, but I recommend NixOS since it simplifies the whole dotfiles process, and I haven't broken my system once yet.

 No.19693

>>19692
speaking of programs, what kind of work do you usually do on your 'puter OP? just browsing and email or?

 No.19694

>>19690
Not all distros have good learning curves. The average Window and Mac user has not put up with *nix eccentricities for decades. New users would be better served with those distros that do a good job simplifying configuration and maintenance so they don't have to jump into the deep end.

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 No.19696

>>19695
delete this

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 No.19699

>>19695
I'm a pro-capitalism liberal btw if that matters

 No.19708

>>19699
kill yourself then

 No.19709

>>19699
many such cases

 No.19717

arch linux, i've used linux since 3 years ago and out of all the distros i've used i prefer that one the most

i'm pretty certain they added an installer to that distro, but either way you can also install endeavour os instead or something which is just arch linux but with gui installer

but anyways op did you already choose a distro

 No.19718

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linux mint for beginners who don't care about proprietary software spooking the OS
trisquel for beginners who do not want proprietary capitalist software and want a 100% bourgeois free system; it's 100% free software OS


archlinux with parabola repos(or parabola with arch repos, it's the same thing though) or fully optimized gentoo for the best system ever made ever in the world

or LFS if you're genius

 No.19719

>>19718
>or LFS if you're genius
all you have to do is to follow the damn instructions uygha

 No.19720

>>19719
it's like saying all you have to do to build a motorcycle is to also follow the instructions

I mean, it's a notable achievement

 No.19721

>>19720
>typing ./configure && make && make install is an achievement
The only complicated pieces are kernel and bootloader. You can get by with the debian kernelconfig and the archwiki page about bootloaders should explain everything well enough.

 No.19722

>>19720
It's cool but I find it very weird how people mythologize GNU/Linux as some dark art that can only be learned by the chosen ones and even they have to study it for decades before becoming comfortable with it.

 No.19725

>>19683
KDE Spin of Fedora, Kubuntu, or KDE Neon.
Linux mint if you want a stable system.
If you don't like the Windows GUI and you have 0iq then you will like GNOME.
I use OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with KDE btw.

 No.20541

Linux Mint Debian Edition. They are gonna didch Ubuntu and have their main version rebased on Debian anyway due to the Snap controversy.

If you want a rolling release avoid Manjaro, use Endeavour OS instead.

 No.20544

>>19687
>Archlinux has an accessible learning curve.
This is terrible advice for someone who isn't already a programmer or used to how Unix like systems work.
>Antix
Isn't Antix basically MX Linux? I've had great experiences with MX on 32bit x86

>Gentoo has a package manager, but still compiles everything from source so installing anything takes a while


On a modern PC that's not an issue. If you don't care about electricity consumption and only about the time.
I can recompile all my packages in about 10h so while I sleep. That is if I use the binary version of firefox, which comes directly from Mozilla. The other long compile is GCC but I update it roughly once every 3 months. So a regular weekly update doesn't take more than 5 hours, and I try to sleep more than that a day. + you can ctrl+z and suspend the process. Do your work if you need those resources then resume it. But I also use a minimalist WM. I assume if I had to compile 400 KDE packages it would make updates much longer. But I don't use KDE.

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 No.20546

>>20541
>They are gonna didch Ubuntu and have their main version rebased on Debian anyway due to the Snap controversy.
Where are you getting this from?
I get no relevant search results returned when searching DDG for this

I would really like a Linux Mint (mainline) rebased on Debian

 No.20547

>>20546
On their download page
>Its goal is to ensure Linux Mint can continue to deliver the same user experience if Ubuntu was ever to disappear. It allows us to assess how much we depend on Ubuntu and how much work would be involved in such an event. LMDE is also one of our development targets, as such it guarantees the software we develop is compatible outside of Ubuntu.

So I was speculating. But Ubuntu is on the path of depending more and more on snap (which disqualifies them from being a free distro, even when using the brodest definition of free.) Meanwhile Linux Mint mentainers hate Snaps and prefer flatpaks. So it might happen. Tho I've used LMDE in the past and it is worthy of being a daily driver in it's current state.

 No.20548

Any distros come with programs like Librewolf by default?
I.e. rudimentary privacy preconfigs, but not so over-the-top that it would be completely alienating and difficult to the average Jay (not Tails/Whonix/Qubes/Gentoo)?

Something like PureOS but maintained and intended for a general audience (not just Purism customers).

 No.20551

>>20548
>Any distros come with programs like Librewolf by default?
Not that I know of. If you're on arch just compile it from the AUR using your AUR helper. Otherwise there is a flatpak released by the lobrewolf community on flathub, which is the quickest way of getting it + you get the flatpak sandboxing options, so you don't have to think about that.

 No.20555

>>20548
>Any distros come with programs like Librewolf by default?
Apparently FreeBSD, LiGurOS, nixpkgs, OpenIndiana, PCLinuxOS and RebornOS have it according to https://repology.org/project/librewolf/versions you can use that site to see if any program you are interested is packaged by a distro
>Something like PureOS but maintained and intended for a general audience (not just Purism customers).
There are other free distros, see https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html

 No.20655

>>19683
Start with Linux Mint. It's easy.

 No.20661

>>20655
This. You can do everything you can do with Debian and Ubuntu on Mint and it looks like a desktop that people are familiar with.

 No.20662

>>19683
Is there a "point and click" linux distro? I don't wanna use commands to do everything.

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>>20662
That is exactly what mandriva is.
>Mandriva Linux contained the Mandriva Control Center, which eases configuration of some settings. It has many programs known as Drakes or Draks, collectively named drakxtools, to configure many different settings. Examples include MouseDrake to set up a mouse, DiskDrake to set up disk partitions and drakconnect to set up a network connection. They are written using GTK+ and Perl, and most of them can run in both graphical and text mode using the ncurses interface.
The original project is dead, but there is an active fork at https://openmandriva.org

 No.20711

>>20662
>Is there a "point and click" linux distro?
The best point-and-click OS is 9front, but no Unix-likes' DE utilizes the mouse in the same manner sadly, and neither does Windows. I haven't really researched into it as I prefer keyboard-driven interfaces since you don't have to switch back-and-forth between mouse and keyboard.

Stacking WMs were a mistake.

 No.20715

>>19683
Ubuntu or mint. Don't overthink it. It's just like going from Mac to windows or another OS.

 No.20716

>>19683
anything but manjaro

 No.20720

>>20711
I agree that rio/9term/acme has the most useful and consistent mouse interface. The anon you replied to is statedly averse to commands though. The strength of the plan9 ui lies not in avoiding commands. Quite to the contrary it eases manipulation and execution of text.
>no Unix-likes' DE utilizes the mouse in the same manner sadly
You can get X-Windows compatible plan9 software through plan9port. Windows even has self-contained sam and acme distributions.
>I prefer keyboard-driven interfaces since you don't have to switch back-and-forth between mouse and keyboard.
Douglas Engelbart designed the mouse in conjunction with a chording keyboard, but i don't think the bell labs team used any.
Some people are quite adept at touch-typing with one hand. I remember Dennis Ritchie saying he did on a mailing list.

 No.20820

Kubuntu. Don't use anything else or you're a nerd. Replace some of the default apps though, like qBittorrent instead of KTorrent.

 No.20823

>>19683
What about the Hannah Montana distro?

 No.20830

>>20820
What's wrong with KTorrent? It has every feature that qBittorrent has, except for maybe the search engine.

 No.20831

>>20830
that's the most useful feature.

 No.20873

>>20830
>>20831
Ktorrent also doesn't appear to have qBittorrent's anonymous mode (at least from it's wiki page).

 No.20881

>>19690
I've noticed a tendency of some people to act like what they do is easy simply because they've been immersed in it for a long time. It's very socially unaware.

 No.20893

>>20881
I was able to set up and use Debian and Arch easily as a total noob coming from Windows. It helped that I had some curiosity and didn't have weird presumptions about computers.

 No.20900

As a recent self-transformed Linux user, quite interested in FOSS as pushback against corporationist spyware and shit-design intended half-functionality I can reccomend Ubuntu Budgie (that was my first distro) or Linux Mint(more akin to Windows interface) to easily familiarise yourself with a differences between Linux and Windows/Mac systems. Just to gain certiain perspective and not feel intimidated by all the different apps, terminal usage etc. I'd reccomend after that or your other first distro for try out: ArcoLinux it's based on Arch and I chose it as a gateway to learn more about Arch when I'll be more skilled and start using it in a future. For now Arco is very stable it comes in different flavour for different needs as I noticed and most of all, even as it's a bit niche it has a real good source to learn how it operates and how the distro works piece by piece- Eric Dubois YT channel: https://youtu.be/Jd8fKLki2Ks seriosuly this guy saved me from so much headache as a recent ArcoLinux noobie user. It'll reccomend to check it out. Also ArchWiki will definitely come in handy. Good luck on your adventure with Linux!

 No.20975

>>20823
It's a meme and probably not maintained.

 No.20976

>>20662
Xubuntu

 No.21073

>>19720
you all should start riding and working on motorcycles instead of changing operating systems every 6 months

 No.21074

>>20662
if you dont want to use command lines at all then you shouldnt use linux. just being honest.

 No.21077

>>21074
It's perfectly usable without using CLI, unless you want to really fine tune the system, automate shit, etc. Stuff that you couldn't do on Windows/Mac anyway without use of CLI and scripting, and even then you were far more limited. Not to mention that most of this shit is actually configured via text files, and you can use whatever GUI text editor you want for that.

To conclude: if your needs are the same as a Windows/Mac user than you absolutely don't need to touch the command line at all.
If you want to go beyond that then you're probably a geek interested in CLI and scripting anyway.

 No.24634

Nobara is cool if your a gamer

 No.24635

>>19719
LFS gets even easier if you add in a standalone package manager on top like nix or guix

 No.24636

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Debian

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I recently took the djb-pill and moved my mail server from openbsd to alpine linux with s6 and qmail. It's a shame 99% of people using a computer will never experience the joys of lean, modular software and reliable logging infrastructure.
>>24635
Is there a benefit to a LFS base system over a conventionally minimal distro like slackware besides the ability to bootstrap from any C compiler?

 No.24638

>>24637
>moved my mail server from openbsd to alpine linux
Hardening by default goes bye-bye.

 No.24640

>>19683
Lain-themed GNU/Linux is kinda charming.

 No.24642

>>24638
you don't know what you're talking about:
>pf is nice and has a sane default policy
<my mailserver runs behind a firewall
>the openbsd monitoring scripts may be useful for some people
<people who don't sit right next to the server AND have a ssh permanently open
>opensmtp can't compete with the security-conscious architecture of qmail
>many exploit mitigations are ineffective and/or already exists under linux
>bsd boot scripts are a couple of unsupervised shell scripts started by init
>the service manager has feature parity with sysvinit
besides in practice an openbsd release certainly is LESS hardened than that of a linux-lts distro used in countless embedded systems and containers.

 No.24646

>>19689
As a multi-year Void user, the only real flaw of that distro is that it doesn't run on systemd and uses a shitty glorified while loop to manage it's services

 No.24648

>>24646
>uses a shitty glorified while loop to manage it's services
S6 fixes every deficiency of runit. Its service control is event based and supports parallel startup while still being lightweight, simple to understand and providing all daemontools functionality.

 No.24649

>>24648
Installation manual? Features?
Also what's a logging daemon for void that isn't dogshit?
svlogtail is garbage and the demonstration that simple is not better

 No.24650

>>24649
See http://skarnet.org/software/s6/
Logging is done by http://skarnet.org/software/s6/s6-log.html
Supervised s6 services can have their own associated logging daemons. They can have different privileges and also do log rotation. Logs are read the service from a pipe to the service provided by fdholder, so no logs are lost when a service dies. This also avoids the /dev/log bottleneck.

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 No.24654

>>24642
But OpenBSD users always say how OpenBSD is way more secure than GNU/Linux…

 No.24658

arch linux if youre attentive enough to read the wiki

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 No.24661

>>24658
all archlinux does is tail debian and fedora while fumbling it with their own atrocious release model (i.e. none). it has all of the problems of the current systemd stack and only a fraction of the testing that goes into the software on the other distros.

 No.24793

mint or fedora I guess. Be prepared to learn how to fix shit regardless of distro

 No.24811

>>24660
>wojak meme
>in video form with unfunny voiceover
why did i decide to watch this
>>24661
rolling release is weird but whatever
>systemd bad
meh. i doubt a new linux user cares about init implementation politics

 No.24838

>>19683
Honestly, every distro is the beginner distro depending on what you want to do with it. If you're impatient or my mom then you install Ubuntu and forget about it. But if you want to enable some cool features, whether for security, privacy, customization or just less bloat and more performance then you're better off with less beginner-friendly distros. Obviously sticking with just vanilla Ubuntu is not recommended but if you're a Windows user who hates spending time with a computer on anything other than WORK-WORK-WORK then it's good enough. Better than Windows I guess.

 No.24857

>>19683
>Hello, I've been wanting to switch to Linux for awhile now, but I'm not sure which distro I should use. What distro would you anons recommend I use?
Unless you are forced to by your work (be a redhat sysadmin and get RHCSA certified), then i'd choose a debian based distro, if not just Debian itself. Google runs gLinux internally which is essentially just Debian with a cinnamon desktop and a few slight modifications.

Debian has stood the test of time. its the ur-linux distro. If you are really brand brand new Linux then i recommend Debian-derived Ubuntu + Ubuntu derivates like Linux Mint, Pop Os, Kubuntu, etc.

 No.24868

>>19684
FPBP. My left, microsoft hating, non technically savvy friends use mint with no trouble. Cinammon is a comfy traditional DE. It also won't pull in snaps by default. I like Pop for the GNOME extensions and Scheduler, but I have a hard time recommending it to new users.

>>19687
>IMO you can start with any "advanced" distro if you give yourself the time to learn it.
People don't want a learning curve on their email and web browsing machine.

 No.24870

>>24868
>People don't want a learning curve on their email and web browsing machine.
Email and web browsing aren't a distro thing, unless you want every program preinstalled like ur mom. The only questions are whether a distro has a graphical package manager and whether it carries niche options like palemoon and ungoogled-chromium or you need to compile them yourself.

When i was using arch, for the first few month my workflow consisted purely of searching for programs, installing programs with a command and typing the program name in a terminal to launch it. Occasionally i would install a toolbar for launching programs or edit my wm rightclick menu. Anyone with a weekend to spare can get used to this!

The tipping point in complexity for using a distro with scant sysadmin knowledge comes when you need to manually build system software or write your own initscripts. Before that everything is a point, click and write a couple lines you memorized from a wiki affair.

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>>24870
Onboarding and upkeep ARE a distro thing and the more complicated they are the more they get in the way of using the computer to do things. For some reason Linux attracts sparetime sysadmin LARPers who think they're the penguin's tits for telling new users to suck it up and learn their 1970s paradigms. It is perfectly reasonable to expect a good email client, web browser, and office suite to be preinstalled. Ubuntu got big by being an easier Debian and doing precisely that before they sold out to Amazon. Mint continues that legacy.

Aside: Arch sucks and deserves its reputation for breaking. It is absurd to be proud of spending "a few months" on setting up a basic DE with the essentials. Furthermore, Nix eats AUR's lunch in terms of stability, package count, and package freshness: https://repology.org/repositories/statistics/newest. Usually there's only a handful of programs I need the latest and greatest version of and I'm perfectly comfortable building them by hand on a more stable distro.

 No.24881

>>24879
>It is absurd to be proud of spending "a few months" on setting up a basic DE with the essentials.
Learn to read. I was talking about the workflow i had for a few months before i started getting comfortable in the terminal. It mostly involved typing package install commands and graphical program names into terminals, which is imo a foolproof way to use a distro without a preinstalled desktop environment after adding something like openbox or fvwm to xinitrc.
>Arch sucks and deserves its reputation for breaking.
I agree. Read >>19687 again.

 No.24891

Linux is Only Free if Your Time is Worthless

 No.24892

>>24891
Time is not worthless. Time is actually more worth than money.

 No.24894

>>24892
Linux is a kernel, not an OS. And i see many people getting that wrong here, if we compare Linux, the Kernel, to something like NT or Darwin, it's clear which is better. Linux is much, much, MUCH better than anything Microsoft or Apple have created, and this is the simple truth. Linux distributions greatly vary, and if you go into Linux expecting an Experience similar to windows like alot of people here, you're in to get disappointed. The Linux philosophy of "Everything is a file" is alot better than the Registry way of doing things in Windows, which is chaotic and cluttered at the very best. Package Managers that manage your packages for you are superior to every single way of installing apps on Windows, as you can run kernel updates and install all your apps through them. I see many people here afraid of using the terminal, yet another way Windows has caused brain-damage. Why the terminal is used soo often in Linux is because it simply is the superior way of doing things. It's faster and more efficient, it isn't something you should be afraid of using, it's an integral part of the OS and is a very powerful tool. The Heirarchal File System linux uses makes it much more secure, if there is a new vunerability in OpenCL, I'd have to update every single app in windows that uses the vunerable version, whilst on linux only the OpenCL package itself has to be updated. linux has one blaring issue and it's the reason why it hasn't taken over and that issue is Software-support. driver issues are long gone with distros like Pop!_OS and Manjaro that make both easy. I personally used windows for many years and because of how used to the way it does things, I had a very difficult learning curve when switching to Linux, but I did see the sense in the way Linux did things, and unlike many people here, I didn't rage quit because something didn't work the way it does on Windows. if you prefer windows, that's your opinion and it's as valid as any other. But if you hate Linux for not doing things like windows, you're braindead.

 No.24898

>>24891
muh time is money
got any more bourgeois aphorisms for us to yawn to

 No.24901

>>24894
>Linux is much, much, MUCH better than anything Microsoft or Apple have created, and this is the simple truth.
we have no basis to say that because we dont have access to those kernels, being proprietary. In any case I don't think it really is. Monolithic Kernel is a 1960s paradigm, linux only caught on due to being unix like and free. Even Windows NT is a hybrid kernel.

We aren't going to start over and we are likely stuck with linux so its a moot point, but if you had to start over something like Redox OS's microkernel is far superior. Saying Linux monolithic 1960s style kernel is a good idea is basically just cope.

 No.24902

>>24894
the terminal is inferior to a graphical interface for most things an end user would actually want to do. its vulnerability to typos and semantic pedantry is fatal in a society with the level of literacy that we've got - and that's on principle, without even getting into the love of over-shortening commands in unix-derived systems. (list > ls, 50% efficiency gain!)
clicking the wrong button, hitting back/cancel and trying again is simply less tedious than having the computer spit out some wanky error message because you forgot to close your quotation marks. the first step gives you feedback every step of the way, the second leaves it to the end to announce that you have fucked up. the more i dwell on this, the more i wonder why attempts to fix it aren't more prominent: why not dynamically parse what's typed and print, in a little box, an explanation of what will happen if you hit enter? or why not allow commands to be assembled out of Scratch-like code blocks, with only valid options appearing? there are countless attempts to make a distro where you don't have to touch the terminal (doomed for any user who wants to do more than browse the web) but there seem to be few prominent attempts to advance the new user experience of the terminal beyond the 1980s (when someone had the bold, innovative idea of putting it in a window on a GUI system.)

 No.24903

>>24901
linux being fully customizable automatically makes it better than windows or macos to me

 No.24904

>>24902
GUI is a waste of electricity and processing power for server systems considering no ones looking at it 99% of the time. Half the time the server admin doesn't even login he just writes a script to automatically manage it en masse (i.e. using ansible, etc.)

 No.24907

>>20716
sexy color scheme tho. i like manjaro and gruvbox schemes the most with nord a distant third

 No.24908

>>24902
>>24904
As a programmer this is so fucking funny to me. Yeah waste your time developing a GUI when a command or even an ncurses interface will do the same job without introducing even more potential bugs.

 No.24910

>>24904
most end users do not want to run a sever.
>>24908
"as a programmer i'm a lazy elitist who most likely writes software of use only to programmers, server admins, and so on." forgive the aggressive paraphrasing but: we know, the type is not uncommon. write a program the end-user would actually want to use before bragging that you make no effort to let them do so.

 No.24917

>>24910
>most end users do not want to run a sever.
most end users of *linux* actually are running a server. desktop linux users are a small percentage of overall linux users.

 No.24918

>>24910
Incredibly Karen behavior. And you feel fucking proud of it.

 No.24920

>>24917
given my post was not even specifically about linux, but about the terminal in general, this conversation is unlikely to go anywhere useful. it is built on a foundation of stand. enjoy the rest of your day.

>>24918
if i was wrong you would be rubbing it in my face, bragging about how actually you write word processors and image editors, spreadsheet software and 3d modelling programs, video capturing and editing software, screen readers for the blind, automatic subtitling for the deaf, and color-profile-changers for the color-blind, but i am not wrong and so can offer only this incoherent outburst. (karen? really? that's the best you've got?)
here's a program you can write that someone might want to use, one that you can feel like a special little boy for making terminal only: an insult generator.

 No.24921

>>24910
some programs don't need a GUI, why waste time on a GUI no one is going to use anyways? learning a GUI is just as tedious(if not harder sometimes) as just learning a command. dare I say the command line is easier than GUI sometimes

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>>24902
>the terminal is inferior to a graphical interface for most things an end user would actually want to do.
not necessarily, the modern gen/ of tech's jus been raised on the standard of the gui.
>its vulnerability to typos
can't speak for other distros, bu Arch recommends similar commands from typos. not rly a devastatin problem imo. lemme kno if u got any specific ex's tho anon.
>semantic pedantry is fatal in a society with the level of literacy that we've got
in the nicest way possibl, then myb the internet wasn't designed for everyone. i dont kno all the commands on linux, bu there all listed under /bin, an i dont use half of them on a daily basis. it aint too complex of a level of literacy, an if its rly that bad they aint got it, i got a simple solution: android.
>clicking the wrong button, hitting back/cancel and trying again is simply less tedious than having the computer spit out some wanky error message
there r undo commands on terminals aswell anon, an not sure wht distro ur usin where the error messages are "wanky". myb python? i was workin on a python script this evenin an i was reminded how retarded debuggin processes is for the language. other than that no nothin comes to mind, again, feel free to give ex's.
>the more i dwell on this, the more i wonder why attempts to fix it aren't more prominent: why not dynamically parse what's typed and print, in a little box, an explanation of what will happen if you hit enter?
–help.
>or why not allow commands to be assembled out of Scratch-like code blocks, with only valid options appearing?
mad-storage-dependent.
>there are countless attempts to make a distro where you don't have to touch the terminal (doomed for any user who wants to do more than browse the web) but there seem to be few prominent attempts to advance the new user experience of the terminal beyond the 1980s (when someone had the bold, innovative idea of putting it in a window on a GUI system.)
idk i think its quite simple, if it aint broke dont fix. operatin systems (good ones atleast) shld be designed 2 b efficent, not simple.
>>24910
>"as a programmer i'm a lazy elitist who most likely writes software of use only to programmers, server admins, and so on."
that's not wht anon was sayin, gui's do take a shitton more resources, its not the same. a good example off the top of my head'd be endeavour os's iso images: the non-gui iso (in the stable version) is 3gb less than the gui-iso. i might be wron bu am pretty sure this is the case. anyway, here's my takeway from my rant: always consider memory allocation and space, and cuttin out what aint necessariy. myb its the repacker and rust-programmar in me, idk, bu sum things r jus too bloaty that a system dont necessarily use. for instance, i own a latitude d420 that was made in 2001, an i'd love to run a "jus-works" distro like mint-cinammon, bu the gui shit jus slows the bitch down by suchhhh a degree, i jus had to bite the bullet and downloa minimal packages via arch. i gotta imagine its the same for other users, guis can jus b bloaty sumtimes, it aint jus a server developer issue.

 No.24926

>>24902
I think you don't hate the terminal so much as how the UNIX shell works. Unix specifically is terrible because all it knows is strings, and thus shit breaks constantly due to formatting errors, and you have to fuck with regex constantly. Read the Unix Hater's Handbook, research Lisp machines and Lisp REPLs, learn about old mainframe OSes and Multics, learn about JSON and semantic web tech and ways to pass around typed data.

a similar problem is with programming where most tools are extremely primitive and only deal with plaintext, and use a large chain of parsers to gradually convert the plaintext into something with an abstract structure. this prevents any tools being able to have an idea of what you're trying to do while you're programming, and using that info to aid you at all. and also necessitates writing an entire language parser any time you want to extract data out of that plaintext, which is a massive pain in the ass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ab3ArE8W3s

unix's obsession with text is a sin and is one of the worst ideas in computer science.

 No.24928

>>24920
>here's a program you can write that someone might want to use, one that you can feel like a special little boy for making terminal only: an insult generator.
lel
I think instead of getting angry at "IT" (half-formed homunculi) from now on I'll say "I'm not angry, just disappointed"

 No.24931

>>24926
lisp machines are cool but I dont really see the point of them in the modern era

 No.24967

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Linux Mint is easy to install and use. Debian is also good.
Tip: Use Linux hardware database to check Linux compatibility.
https://linux-hardware.org/

 No.24970

Before you install Linux, keep this dark truth in mind.

 No.24972

>>24967
gentoo works on any hardware and architecture + is the fastest and most stable distrodoesnt matter if it is rolling release
install gentoo: https://gentoo.org
>>24970
they are just sponsors

 No.24973

also beginners must suffer, they should be forced to begin with LFS actually

 No.24974

imo you should all switch to gentoo, it is simply superior in all aspects compared to any other distro. even beginners should go for gentoo if they want quite literally the best system in the world

 No.24975

>>24972
>they are just sponsors

COPE.

 No.24978

>>24972
and why are they sponsoring? how does a corporation, with fiduciary duty to its shareholders, justify that?

 No.24979

>>24978
>>24975
mostly they are just paying for the LF to manage the development of linux because they use linux themselves?

 No.24981

>>24975
>>24978
idk but linux still remains libre software(GPL2) and possibly richard stallman approved so no there's no possible spooks behind the sponsors aside from just >>24979 also linux-libre is a thing if you want a completely despooked kernel, assuming that there is no backdoor hidden in plain sight like the xz backdoor


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