/tech/ - Technology

>>23041
linux is the flagship FOSS project and has for a long time been increasingly exploited by tech companies who not only get to profit of the labor of FOSS development but also force themselves into positions of influence within projects like linux so that they can secure positions of entrenched authority. as much as people meme about this for the wrong reasons, systemd is a good example of this: it's become increasingly difficult for linux distributions to work without systemd because so much of the linux desktop has become reliant on it, and this is a project that is explicitly controlled by vested corporate interests. I don't like systemd very much personally, but I understand the value it can provide, but the problem is that there are corporate entities who get involved in FOSS projects and astroturf it by "giving" them "free" development with the intent of sliding projects towards being dependent on their technologies.

it doesn't matter what software is licensed under, corporations will find a way to subvert these licenses and retain control over things they're using and have a financial incentive to have control over. it's otherwise pretty risky to take advantage of all this free labor but be at the whims of unpaid hobbyist developers just making cool shit for themselves. this is fundamentally a problem with the free software movement, especially under rms's leadership, is that the threat of corporate subversion has never been within its scope. as much as leftists want to cope about how FOSS is communism-esque, it's more like history repeating itself with the enclosure of the commons.

there is not, and never has been, any significantly radical politics behind the free software movement, and the blame for this can be placed squarely on rms's leadership, who is at best kind of a weird libertarian or Green Party guy with some demsoc sympathies. this is why, as I said, I don't have any ill-will towards him personally. it's not like he's a lolbert or a nazi or something like a lot of tech people, but he's always been kind of misguided and naive about certain things because he has the autistic tunnel vision. which like, I get it, but it doesn't change the fact that the free software movement is failing to succeed at its own aims. it continues to work on its projects like linux, GCC, and the coreutils, and their labor is taken advantage of by tech companies who don't just "steal" it without contributing anything back (which would be a far preferable option since it's not like there's any scarcity with the products of programming labor) but also try to essentially put themselves into managerial positions. the more hardline FOSS gets, the less it's able to get anything done that matters, and it leads to nonsense like "FSF approved" hardware/distros that are irrelevant to everyone except for people who have fallen for the PURE IDEOLOGY *zizek sniff* of stallmanism.

>>23036
>I'm pretty sure Luke Smith is a fascist
He's just a Christian conservative boomer. He's still annoying, I don't watch him.

>>23037
>his autistic nitpicking that doesn't actually do anything to advance free software. under his leadership
>we've seen FOSS get totally co-opted by corpo software through "open source" shit
Pick one. The "open source shit" exists precisely because Stallman cannot actually force everyone to promote software freedom, the OSI was basically an external initiative by people unaffiliated wich RMS. RMS has denounced the OSI from the beginning but what do you expect him to do really? Threaten the OSI leadership with suicide bombings?
>>23040
>I say this as someone who is relatively critical of stallmanist autism that leads to shit like people saying that the *BSDs aren't free software because of firmware that is provided in the repos despite the linux kernel literally having binary blobs in it
It's not contradictory. If a *BSD or a GNU/Linux installation has no proprietary blobs then they're 100% libre software. If not then they're not, it's just the reality of life (still better than Windows certainly). The FSDG exists purely to promote libre software and the FSF, it doesn't actually tell you what distro is libre and what isn't. Debian is libre and so is Gentoo.
>there is not, and never has been, any significantly radical politics behind the free software movement
It was always a single-issue movement, what did you expect? Its main benefit is providing radicals with the tools to hide from surveillance capitalism and resist the expansion of the Big Tech's proprietary spyware, I never viewed it as actually "revolutionary."
>their labor is taken advantage of by tech companies who don't just "steal" it without contributing anything back (which would be a far preferable option since it's not like there's any scarcity with the products of programming labor) but also try to essentially put themselves into managerial positions
>the more hardline FOSS gets, the less it's able to get anything done that matters
Again, pick one. FOSS becoming more hardline is precisely the response to this corporate influence, it's dialectical, Watson.

>>23045

What he stands for in the public eye (what remains of it) and in IT culture these days is basically equivalent to
a) personally not owning slaves
b) not eating meat
c) etc.


Not doing the bad thing won't amount to the replacement of the old system. On the other hand, the nitpicking about what are basically lifestyle choices are exclusionary and deter action. Fits into the "pick your identity" lifestylism of the era.

This is expected, capitalism hijacks movements to the best of its ability, and free software was capitalism-friendly from the start.

>>23045
>what do you expect him to do really? Threaten the OSI leadership with suicide bombings?
yes

>>24777
Happy Hacking, tripsman.

>>23067
Gentoo is old forced meme now. Install guix, it respects your freedom by default. Stallman, the GNU project, and the FSF approve.

>>24777
So he wasn't just hiding a balloon under his shirt…

>>24777
Alright I'm happy for the blessed autist. He was right about a lot of things. Nature is healing.
>>24778
> Install guix
Gib your comrades a paragraph about it

>>24780
have a meme

>>24782
This made me uninstall Guix.

>>24782
the idea that Guix wasting their development labor on HURD and GNUnet (two dead GNU meme projects) is somehow a selling point is funny. 8/8 made me respond

>>24785
I dunno, the idea behind GNUnet is awesome. I don't know how GNU/Hurd is better than OpenBSD however.

>>24787 (me)
Other than OpenBSD having proprietary blobs of course. But that's fixable.

>>24787
conceptually, Hurd and GNUnet are both cool, but they're also basically both vaporware

>>24789
in the case of GNUnet I also have a very hard time taking seriously any of these P2P projects that want to replace the internet. I have seen many attempted over the past decade (GNUnet has been around even longer) and every single one of them has at best had very limited usefulness. it feels like a category of projects that is simply not worth working on unless you're just doing it for fun.

Noooooo

>>24790
Is GNUnet faster than Tor? Because it might be its advantage when it comes to anonymizing repositories. Otherwise Tor is still better. Using I2P would still be ideal but I haven't seen any distros providing any I2P mIrrors.

>>24782
best example of a meme being more informative than any paragraph
>>24784
>This made me uninstall Guix.
why?

>>21737
he just posts a bunch of libshit on his blog anyways. seeing my fat uncle die of cancer while quoting Bill Maher has really destroyed the taboo around the subject to me
it doesn't trigger the Hollywood reflexes in my brain any longer. die you old chomo, dieeee

>>24800
Not appreciating what the person has done because of their bs political opinions is one the problems with modern politics, you are part of the problem. Yeah, his political opinions may be extremely liberal but I don't care because his contributions are based af, we wouldn't have libre software without him and his strong determination in fighting against proprietary software. And I don't expect him to have sophisticated political opinions: even the greatest scientists can have the stupidest political opinions possible just because they live in a bubble.

>>24802
true, if rms were a communist he wouldnt be at the forefront of a consumer movement

>>25276
and im not saying this facetiously btw lol

>>21771
excuse what the actual fuck
>>24778
>implying gentoo doesn't respect your freedom
<it actually does
ACCEPT_LICENSE="-* @FREE"
>>25276
>consumer movement
I don't think running a Tor node counts as consuming

alsoo… stallman status??

>>25277
oh wait I fell for the bait that wasn't even bait

>>21771
lel.

>>21771
Yeah, this is one of the dumbest things he's ever done if you're telling the truth, and I'm saying that as Stallman's fan. Maybe he's turning into Joe Biden.

>>25288
It's probably a joke hopefully

>>25283
>I don't think running a Tor node counts as consuming
I think they mean the consumer customer rights movement. Which Stallman is technically a part of since he advocates for the rights of software users who are the customers of software distributors.

>>25289
It's meta-ironic.

>>25290
I mean yeah true but those who are part of the movement are the ones who are actually writing software + building infrastructure(Tor nodes for example) for those users to use/consume in the first place tho
>>25292
lol guess I got baited yet again

>>25294
>but those who are part of the movement are the ones who are actually writing software
Well, if they care about software freedom they're technically activists.
>>25294
>lol guess I got baited yet again
You got meta-baited: maybe you got baited, maybe you had legitimate concerns about rms's sanity, who knows? This is an imageboard.

>>25295
>Well, if they care about software freedom they're technically activists.
hel yeea
>You got meta-baited: maybe you got baited, maybe you had legitimate concerns about rms's sanity, who knows?
all of the above, sleep deprivation benefits lel

>>25298
>all of the above, sleep deprivation benefits lel
No, seriously, I myself don't know if it's a bait or not, maybe this anon is serious.

>>25306
>>25306
when it comes to richard stallman's basedness we can't underestimate what he would do so it might actually be real doubt it though

>>25309
How are you idiots still discussing a question that would take you 2 seconds to find the answer to?

>>25310
>How are you idiots still discussing a question that would take you 2 seconds to find the answer to?
We're lazy.

>>25311
>>25310
too lazy to STFW tbh

Can you help me kill myself?

>>25317
nooo dude stay alive, things will get better. smoke a bluntweed in the meantime

>>25314
>>25311
More like narcissistic, you love the sight of your own posts more than you care if you have anything meaningful to say.

>>25355
>you love the sight of your own posts
You're literally retarded. Kys.

>>25356
>You're literally retarded. Kys.
you love the sight of your own posts more than you care if you have anything meaningful to say.

Sad. And right now SV is launching a coup to kill open source forever and lock all next gen inside the secured classified envelope. They will likely succeed.

>>25473
What happened?

>>25473
NTA, i am doing a work project explaining stuff about open source, what is that all about?

>>25480
>>25481

You haven't seen that jumped-up nerd Leopold Aschenbrenner getting pushed everywhere? He's in charge of some giant fund now afaik. He demands AI research be undertaken, and simultaneously locked up, by the state. For natsec reasons. Typical hare-brained lib ignorance and paranoia, but this will find extremely fertile ground in America.

>>25482
idk i don't live in america lol. Gonna search for it.