>communist revolution happens in the 1990s (somehow). >the tyranny of big tech is no more. >$$hillikkkon Valley execs are lined up and shot before they can ruin the world. >finally we can use the best tools for the job to increase our produc

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Anonymous 31-10-23 02:09:22 No.22117

>communist revolution happens in the 1990s (somehow)
>the tyranny of big tech is no more
>$$hillikkkon Valley execs are lined up and shot before they can ruin the world
>finally we can use the best tools for the job to increase our productive forces
>programmers form worker-owned soviets
>cybersyn.lisp
>Commissar James Gosling seizes direct control of all workers' soviets
>places Party representatives in charge
<comrade, lisp is an individualist bourgeois language used by kulak elites like Paul Graham
<the people's language is Java because everyone already knows it and it is designed to force programmers to do things the Java Way
<the object system of Java models the dictatorship of the proletariat via a Vanguard as a hierarchy of classes and objects which dissolve in the dialectical process of compilation to bytecode
<macro systems are anarchism and probably counterrevolutionary as well

was he right comr8s

Anonymous 31-10-23 07:33:51 No.22118

"We were not out to win over the Lisp programmers; we were after the C++ programmers. We managed to drag a lot of them about halfway to Lisp."

- Guy Steele, Java spec co-author

Anonymous 01-11-23 19:55:47 No.22132

There is no language without macros. Programmers will either poorly reimplement eval or suddenly start to write m4 or even C preprocessor.

Anonymous 03-11-23 03:44:53 No.22139

>>22118
I know Guy Steele definitely has some idea what he was talking about when he said this since he literally made scheme and was involved with Common Lisp standardization efforts but I really have no idea what he could have meant by this

Anonymous 03-11-23 10:05:03 No.22140

>>22139
Just some guesses from the top of my head:
>garbage collection
<unheard of at the time in general purpose languages outside of lisp and smalltalk
>dynamic typing
<casting between sub- and superclasses
<before generics many data structures casted specific types into generic objects and vice-versa
>strong typing
<exceptions on invalid casts
>bytecode
<native compilation as a form of caching
>kitchen sink standard library
<see greenspun's tenth law

Anonymous 03-11-23 10:32:57 No.22141

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>>22140
outing myself as someone who has never touched C++ because I value what remains of my sanity but I completely fucking forgot that it used to be the norm to not even have things like garbage collection and a big standard library

Anonymous 03-11-23 10:56:31 No.22142

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>java
no, after the revolution everything will be rewritten to either go, rust or c and you WILL enjoy it
every book, compiler and source code made for other programming languages WILL be outlawed and you WILL be hunted down as the counter-revolutionary scum you are if you try anything funny

Anonymous 04-11-23 17:15:13 No.22145

>>22142
Forth programs will hate you, they spent years thinking that everything is a stack and routine in reverse polish notation. It is still used because it is one step above assembly.

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