So you have this technology that is effectively electronic cash, you get to send any amount of money with all the benefits of cash and without all the problems of a centralized middle man service. but still after about a decade not enough people believe in crypto as a currency. the hate from the left is especially strange.
>muh energy crisis
YouTube alone is more of an energy blackhole than all of crypto combined. you think streaming 4K@60fps video 24/7 world wide is sustainable? or even 1080p?
instead of fighting the banks, normalfags keep voting for laws that restrict crypto, because of muh think of the children!
>>23289I'm just using anarcho-nihilist as a meme flag, I just like the name lol. im a lefty socialist/anarchist/commie, I lean left.
>should I remind you that many anarchists also oppose che libre software movement?why? im sure they use libre software despite that.
>>23290yea, it's too volatile because not enough people believe in it. fiat currency would also become volatile if suddenly most people stopped using it and believing in it.
>>23303it's a hassle for sure, in terms of getting money into it and in terms of using it. but it's because the average human a retarded tech illiterate chimp.
it's a hassle for the same reason navigating a file system on a real computer is a problem.
we really really need to raise the average IQ of humans.
>>23310>liberate people economically how the fuck could literal gambling have any positive impact in this regard? spend a few nights in a casino and see how
liberated you get.
crypto solved no problems and created a ton. fuck off to your liberal techbro friends.
>>23307>anarchist propagating petty bourgeois nonsensemany such cases
>>23308>eugenicswew
>>23315>eugenicsyea no, because fuck trying to improve the human race right? nah fuck that, it's perfectly fine the way it is. just because nazis gave eugenics a bad name doesn't that we shouldn't try to improve humanity.
>eugenics = nazi race haterretard opinion
>>23307it's emergently centralizing actually. It centralizes around those who can afford the most graphics cards, which is pre-determined by wealth before the 'chain even starts.
Please stop using that word for something that it doesn't apply to.
>>23322It is more realistic to rely entirely on gift economy right now than to advocate the adoption of crypto.
Money exists to be solely to be taxed, because taxes exist to force the working class to work for those who own the means of production so they can meet the legal requirement of paying taxes. It is a threat of the execution of government violence against oneself if one does not work. Thus, the only purpose of crypto is to either assume this role, when the current money is superior at this role, for crypto largely owes what success it has to posing as though it's advantages are to be outside of it, or to be a second money in exchange for the primary money, which is only slightly less pointless.
It fundamentally fails to understand what money is or why it is used in the first place.
>>23328Libre software is stuck in a limbo, it cannot advance beyond what it has already achieved because proprietary software has just co-opted Open Source. Now Open Source works in service of bigger proprietary developers instead. It's because of the Open Source movement that libre software got adopted so fast and it's precisely because of it that it will die. Open Source has no principles, it's class collaborationist in nature. It's akin to introducing the welfare state to preserve capitalism. Despite what rightoids may claim, the welfare state is the opposite of socialism in that it tries to preserve the status quo by weakening class conflict.
The only way for the libre software to advance further is by following strict principles of the FSF but the Big Tech will not allow it to happen. Upen Source was allowed because the Big Tech saw benefit in it while copyleft is an active threat to it. They'll either cockblock all the GPL'd software (which is already happening with the BSDs and Alpine Linux) or buy out the FSF altogether, which will bring about the Dark Times.
>>23329 (me)
Essentially, what I'm saying is that both libre software and crypto are patchworks to the current system and are therefore not enough to bring real political change unless there will be a wave of pirate parties getting elected in multiple countries (let's be real: electoralism is a clown show, that will never happen).
>>23330 (me)
Regardless, both copyleft and crypto are tied to capitalism since copyleft relies on copyright just as much as crypto relies on cash. Without copyright there can be no copyleft because there's no copyright to subvert.
>>23337not exchange for dollars. you know how your bank allows you to own other currencies? or even assets like gold? like that. from your bank's app you transfer 100 dollars to what ever equivalent of that to Monero. same way you exchange dollars for euros.
the whole point of banks is insurance, you can get that if banks adopt crypto.
and we already have "banks" that accept and deal with crypto, they're not real official banks but they function the same, more or less. eventually real banks will have to face reality and accept crypto.
because the technology is just too damn useful to be ignored, especially in times of crisis.
>>23341Right, but anonymity is not always the point, it's more like a perk of Monero. so im fine with storing my Moneros publically, most of the time. this is doable even with banks. basically my bank knows that I withdrew say a 100 Moneros but they have no idea where or what I did with those Moneros afterwards. sort of like how your ISP has no idea what you are doing after connecting to something like Tor, I can live with that.
the value is personal freedom, financial independence, simply put.
>>23288>you get to send any amount of money with all the benefits of cash and without all the problems of a centralized middle manI cannot make sense of this, is this a shitpost? If you want the benefits of cash, my recommendation is cash.
You might not like that for any traditional state-currency system there are some people out there who have a special institutional advantage, but is there really a world of difference between this unfairness and the power in Bitcoin and similar schemes among those joining first? You might think the first-joiner advantage is somehow less unfair and just melts away over time. But before claiming that, you should try first to figure out first how unequal the distribution of this or that marvelous alternative currency is.
>>23350That's not the point. the point is that Monero has that benefit, it doesn't have to be a million dollars.
and some do have a use for that, such as online drug cartels, they deal with that amount and they do use Monero, it's not just a hypothetical.
>>23351You know what's even faster? Just sending a good/performing a service for another good/service.
disclaimer for smoothbrains no I don't believe ancient peoples did this.
>>23288I like they my savings dont change value by double digit percents every month. I also like it when my payment goes through in microseconds rather than having to wait 5 minutes even with low load.
>YouTube alone is more of an energy blackhole than all of crypto combined. Youtube is useful, crypto shit had no benefits. Just use a normal database bro.
>>23377>jewtube Good job being crypto, tard
Are you forgetting where you are again?
>>23385The stereotype of the "Jew" however, is evil.
scummy sleazy greedy back stabbing humanoid.
while of course this is just a racist stereotype, the people that run YouTube do have the characteristics of the "Jew", JewTube fits the stereotype, simply put.
>>23290This. You're only into crypto if you have money to burn or you're retarded. Probably both.
OP is yet another delusional petite, per the flag.
>>23421>You guys are unbelievable, I'm pretty sure at this point that 99% of humanity is utterly retarded.no wonder no one values crypto.Hasty-generalization fallacy.
Appeal to common belief fallacy.
Ad hominem fallacy.
>>23423suck my uyghur dick fallacy, you dumb cum guzzling faggot.
keep using fiat currency, keep losing. crypto chads will keep winning.
>>23427the gains are privacy and anonymity.
keep getting spied on, faggot.
>>23288crypto are crappy "currencies", but only because they lack persistent value. Currency has two functions, 1) as wealth, and 2) as circulation medium. These function exceedingly well as circulation medium (other than that getting your hands on crypto is difficult for people who don't know how, and dealing with cypto especially when you have your own wallet and not a scam exchange "wallet" is annoying for tech-averse people which is most people) because the past alternative was, 1) mail cash or a check depending on level of shadiness, and then later 2) shady techno means like putting in your whole credit card details into an http site that may or may not steal your identity (or have your traffic sniffed), and later paypal which will freeze your account and steal your money if it thinks you engaged in moral wrongs (as defined by billionaires).
The only unique thing they do is restricted to anonymous cryptocurrencies like XMR. They are only useful when you want to buy things without it being tied to your legal identity. There are many reasons you might want to do this, and honestly, knowing the extent of the surveillance and preparedness for mass repression, commies should be supporting this. Lets start a petition for Verso to take monero 🤪
also: it will never be non-volatile, it's just not a great store of value. Gold doesn't age. Your ability to prove ownership of crypto ages as fast as you lose your passwords ;P And its value relies exclusively on collective belief. Metals e.g. have use value, but beyond that, they are more universal, they are turned to again and again as sources of value, whereas anyone can make a shitcoin and it will be forgotten in a week. Besides ones supported by real moneyed interests like big finance, the illicit drug industry, and computer criminals, their fungibility is not guaranteed at all. Demand for dense stores of wealth may come and go, but never leaves permanently (so far). But history will forget nearly all cryptocurrencies, making them horrible stores of wealth.
>>24871saw a video on this, big ripz. placd a numbr of ordrs via this site, shit suckz. tho i imagin via the nature of the decentralized, peer-to-peer nature of the site, another will emerge. itz jus a matta of time.
in addition, to any Anons hve any recommend alternatives 2 the site? thx.
>>24873>Computer-cash is dark magicwait til anon discvrs crytpo currency is jus decades-old math and encryption an there's a multitude of resources online to educate themselves, haha. srzly tho anon, it's not a dark magic. sure it may be complex, bu id hapy to point u in the right direction twrds educational resources.
>Only the top elite knows how it functions, the crypto-priests. Stay away from dark cyber-magic, you can't compete with the crypto-priests.lulz, r u familiar w/ the gentleman who burnt himself in midtown-manhattan? u may b a fan of his research.
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