It's not that Linux is "hard", it's that it's tedious and a waste of time.
>buy a Macbook
>get a preinstalled operating system that just werks
>doesn't fault
>has everything I will ever need already preinstalled for me
>if I want to install other things, they just werk
But with Linux, it's always "drivers start bugging out with some functionalities so you gotta roll back to a previous driver / spend hours troubleshooting" or "so now an update broke the program you were using, so now you gotta spend hours trying to find a workaround in a config file located in some hidden file location". I don't have time for that. Every minute spent troubleshooting my install is one less minute I can spend actually being productive and enjoying my life. I don't mind using the terminal, in fact I use it to automate many of my tasks. But why would I enjoy wasting my time troubleshooting?
it used to be great, back when i had dialup i ordered debian cd's in the mail and everything did "just work". Updates were small and reliable, overhead compared to windows was great, and I was using a system with 512mb ram until the flashpocalypse. Could not get debian to work correctly on an A1502, tried again when i upgraded to a ryzen powered hp, still a bunch of fucking problems with no solutions. Tried to install debian on a 7490, didnt have iwlwifi package and didnt detect the ethernet adapter, so the install decided not to install the entire fucking network stack. Debian is supposed to be *the* 'it just works' operating system, this is unacceptable, and gnome/kde are fatter than windows when you finish stripping an ltsc install. It's a fucking headache and the community has done everything to turn new users away. The 'year of linux' is another decade away every year at this rate.
It's just a waste of time and what am I getting out of it?
>a slower, buggier, more crash-prone system
>no professional software
>no actual warranty or support if linux decides to break my install one day
>have to wait literal years of my life to see new cutting edge features that get put into MacOS every year never make it into linux
Why would I put up with this? So I can post fetch screenshots? So I can LARP as Mr. Robot when my kernel is developed by a literal PRISM member?
It feels like Linux is one big joke. Linux users create memes to brainwash people into believing there's a point to using their faulty OS, then they offer the faulty OS as a solution.
>>27331windows is capitalist while gnu/linux is anti-capitalist
>>27337telemetry/spying makes ur pc slower than one that doesn't have telemetry/spying. oh also privacy, but that's a meme apparently
>>27344>largely because of my lack of familiarity with Linuxthe solution:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64 (the book teaches basically everything)
https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/>fuck rolling updatesstable release distros break if u modify it (actually tbh modify without knowing what will exactly happen). that's why I prefer rolling release imo
>>27331>But with Linux, it's always "drivers start bugging out with some functionalities so you gotta roll back to a previous driver / spend hours troubleshooting" or "so now an update broke the program you were using, so now you gotta spend hours trying to find a workaround in a config file located in some hidden file location".I have been using gentoo for 10+ years and I have never had any of these problems.
>if I want to install other things, they just werknot really. for example, I like recreational programming, and linux is the only environment where I can clone random libraries and tools from github and be sure they will work. I can even write a small ebuild file and have the package manager integrate them into my system and keep them up to date
>no professional softwareI have used "professional software" at work and I would never use it in my free time, corporate software is garbage.
>inb4 muh jobif you only want to use the computer for your code monkey job, why are you even posting? what is there to discuss?
>>27376except the so called "unix philosophy" doesn't really exist, and even if it did it wouldn't help you develop new operating systems. even small programs like cat or ls, which embody the UF couldn't be ported to any new OS because they depend on the posix standard. the UF at most is only useful for developing unix clones and nothing more
linux is the only one from that list that I care about, and it is a mess. monolithic kernels shouldn't even exist. if you wanted to develop a new OS you would have to basically write everything from scratch, from the bootloader to the language compilers
I need to use Windows software so I use Windows. I never liked MacOs. I used to have to use those shits because some how they invented a meme that they were good for art, so every computer art lab had them. The mice only have one click.
>>27392>GlownonymousNo one cares what you're up to past which ad to shove in your face.
>>27331it's free though
and I can fix issues if I run into them (I'm a programmer)
also due to being a programmer, the way it works is intuitive for me to understand far more than macos or windows.
I've been using it as my main OS for like 15 years now, I don't even know how to set up a compiler on macos, while it's almost second nature to me on Linux.
>>27407How is it actually better for average user?
>>27408I mean fair, Windows definitely feels like it's getting worse IMO, but I don't think that it really needs reset every month.
>>27412if the user knows exactly what to do and doesn't need to research anymore, then the system would be 100% perfect, like a custom built ferrari or chinese war tank depending on the use case.
but if the user is still learning/an amateur, then the system would be probably much worse than picrel
>>27414>but what about <strawman>the people that only use the computer for the office tools, browsing the internet, and streaming content literally wouldn't notice the difference. specially not when switching to linux is planned as a corporate or state policy, which means there would be permanent support staff managing the systems. the only exception are people that use specialized software
the people that switch to linux as some sort of consumer choice and then complain their system broke are g*mers. if you have ever played a videogame you should be castrated and I'm glad linux breaks every time (you) try to use it
>>27421but u don't build drivers?
>>27416games always work with emulators + virtual machines (I refuse to run a .exe on my computer)
>>27416>the people that switch to linux as some sort of consumer choice and then complain their system broke are g*mers. if you have ever played a videogame you should be castrated and I'm glad linux breaks every time (you) try to use itThen why are you faggots always hatassing everyone about how they need to use linux?
Imagine making your operating system your whole personality.
>>27416I've literally never had issues getting games to run on linux. That's such an antiquated complaint. Every game either has a native port or runs in proton. Even on NixOS, which I've heard the same people that say gaming is hard say is a difficult OS to use but it's genuinely easier than when I used to use Linux Mint. My tech illiterate dad uses NixOS with no issues.
Supposedly rootkit cawduties don't run on proton, but Windows itself is in the midst of patching out the ability to rootkit anyway so that's soon to be irrelevant as those games will become console only.
>>27444>Quake clone number #273 is a form of artNice strawman, idiot.
>kill all millenoidsI'm a zoomer, there is no better generation, you're just being pretentious.
>>27331>It's not that Linux is "hard", it's that it's tedious and a waste of time.There are a few things which seem to be hard. Namely knowing to make backups, comment out configuration, or use version control, and knowing when to stop trying things, and use search, or forums, or just stop. Navigating this search can also be difficult. Setup is for the most part a one time thing, but can feel like a waste of time.
Linux seems to be a better environment for system administration, over Mac OS and Windows. So it's better for building and maintaining software. Am presently looking forward to having such an environment again. But when thought was going to be doing office work for a living was indeed looking at a IoT edition of Windows because that's what's optimal for that job. There ought to be reasons for running a given software package.
>>27477Go fuck yourself, I wrote my 400 page dissertation in LibreOffice and it totally floored the MS Office suite, not even comparable
>Seamless insertion of elaborate figures prepared in LO Draw and imported as a metafile, including spectroscopic data>Powerful macro system>Robust document structuring system capable of reproducing my university's retarded thesis requirements>Far more performant, obvious when manipulating large documentsLO is insanely underrated, its only flaws are in trying to reproduce MS Word's rendering of docx files. This is, in fact, a direct result of Microsoft not adhering to their alleged 'standard'. Even then, it can handle basic docx files fine. If you're not working with retards that insist on MS Office, LO suite is incomparably better
>>28031>⬆️⬆️ to pull up "sudo nano /etc/nixos/configuration.nix" from bash history>type name of program in list of programs in the user of choice, or in the environment to share between all uers>⬆️⬆️ to pull up "sudo nixos-rebuild switch && sudo nix-collect-garbage -d && cowsay Milk is ready!">Wait a bit to install _____
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