I'm here so you guys scream at me to try to convince me to use anything but a noobuntu distro.
After support for W10 ends I'm switching my 14 years old home desktop computer into something a bit more recent, and I'm genuinely considering using GNU+Linux as my "main driver" as kids say nowadays.
I have a lot of experience using Mint as that was my distro of choice for nearly 14 months, I think Cinnamon is an eyesore but otherwise it just werks and I could do almost everything I wanted to do except running Game Maker Studio 2 which is only available on Ubuntu according to the devs.
I'm considering using Kubuntu since KDE Plasma looks sick and it's basically Ubuntu so I can consoom my noob gamedev kit in peace.
As an addendum I hate "rolling distros". Manjaro is an abomination where things just werk against you if you're not a giga turbonerd who's on the computer 24/7 and derives sexual pleasure from fixing tech issues.
>>28068I like how KDE Plasma looks and feels and Kubuntu is primarily geared towards it.
I'm aware that I can just install the DE on standard Ubuntu but then again why not go for the ubuntu version that's built around it?
>>28069thats true, i was just wondering if there was a specific reason to avoid the default/gnome desktop. anyways, i support your argument for using kubuntu, im
personally not a superfan of kde, but of all the kde-first distros i've used i think kubuntu definitely was the best, tumbleweed is also good BUT it's rolling and if you have any problems it'll likely be a technical nightmare to fix, i haven't used fedora kde much myself but its supposedly good for kde. just avoid kde neon like the plague, its a stable ubuntu base, but still a broken mess last time i checked.
>>28071>>28071I quickly checked out NixOS. Seems a bit more complex than I'd like tbh, and my time with Memejaro really soured me on rolling release distros.
What would I win if I use it over (K)Ubuntu?
>>28072Thank you for your input.
Fedora was the other option I was eyeing for KDE but it's rolling release and I'm traumatized lol.
Third option is just use Mint like I've been doing until now, Cinnamon is ugly but it's not <<that>> bad.
What do you guys think about Canonical? Can they be trusted to not fuck our shit up?
>>28073Ah well NixOS has a stable and rolling version, I use the stable one.
Honestly with how I use NixOS it's not too different, I install a few programs and update occasionally, but instead of having to make an install script everything is already listed in configuration.nix, so if you need to reinstall you just pop that config where it goes, rebuild, and everything's how it was.
Appearently it's more secure since everything's containerized, I haven't noticed much different as a user, other than needing a program called appimage-run to run appimages.
>>28074I did try GMS2 on Mint a bunch of times and it failed without an error message - the worst kind of error.
Granted, that was eons ago in like 2018 but the devs still appear to be pretty insistent on it being Ubuntu only.
>>28075Oh it has a stable release too? I'll take a deeper look at it I guess.
>>28156 (me)
Ah, I forgot how the devs sneaked in Amazon search inside Ubuntu so the OS was sending all your search data to Amazon. For that reason I recommend sticking with Linux Mint Debian Edition.
>>28161LMDE is also solid.
If OP wants to avoid snaps he can just install KDE on linux mint and use it instead of the regular DE
I highly recommend that you install Linux Mint or Kubuntu because they are easy to use.
>>28073>Fedora was the other option I was eyeingFedora is not that good, in my opinion. You need to enable the 3rd-party RPM Fusion repo to get codecs. Another problem is that SElinux is not simple to use if you need to configure it.
>>28161>the devs sneaked in Amazon search inside Ubuntu That's actually a deal breaker to me. Kubuntu has that too? Guess I'll have to look somewhere else.
What does Debian Edition for Mint offer me in opposition to regular Mint, as a home user who also games every once in a while?
>>28162KDE on Mint was one of my first options but I opted for a distro that's made for KDE in mind instead, since I've heard KDE on mint isn't as stable using it compared to cinnamon / mate / xfce.
>>28244I'll look into this, but I'm reading it's a rolling release distro and I'm looking for something very stable that I can use daily with minimal hiccups like this anon
>>28160 said. Mint+Cinnamon did it for me back in the day.
>>28248Thanks for the insight on Fedora.
>>28325the devs did not "sneak" anything. it was a loudly announced feature of the
unity desktop which ubuntu doesn't even use anymore, was only in like one version because it took to much effort to maintain and noone liked it, and it was never in kubuntu/kde
>>28067I recently switched my main from Mac OS to Mint. Use Cinnamenu and Plank with it. Its been great so far, I still have a VM for any Windows shit I may need, but with Okular, pdf arranger, shutter, krita, inkscape most my needs are covered.
Also… fuck gimp. Krita is way better
>>28067Anon, ubuntu and its derivatives are a great introduction to Linux, but what do you want out of it? You know, you can make it look like whatever you want, you can make it do basically whatever you want, but it requires you to get more hands on.
People recommend Arch and Manjaro for those wanting to learn more about Linux, but I would personally recommend that if you want to learn more about Linux and Computing more broadly, you should try gentoo.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64Gentoo is source based, so you learn about compilation and the gcc toolchain.
Moreover, if you do get more heavily into computing, I can guarantee you that you are not going to care what your WM or DE looks like. I use gentoo with a bar, a wallpaper, and a window manager, and it functions great. No compositor, no widgets, nothing too fancy. I have a launcher for apps, and bspwm lets you set hotkeys using SXHKD. You can develop your own unqiue workflow, and your machine will become like second nature to you,
Currently I am practicing redteaming methods and various exploits. You too can god-mode the machines, it just takes some time and intellectual investment
OP here.
>>28439I use both Krita and GIMP on Windows. They serve different purposes and I couldn't see me trying to work with Krita for some of my most common image edition needs that I can easily achieve with GIMP instead.
>>28440Looks pretty good to me. GNU/Linux people do go hard on ricing.
>>28446>>28447>but what do you want out of it?My main goal is to get away from Windows but still be able do my shitty amateur gamedev things. I'd name other things but I know first hand that on Mint I could do almost anything I wanted already back in 2016 except GM Studio and some gaymes.
Learning is part of the process and unavoidable of course. But I'm not into learning Linux or even Computers for its own sake, just enough for it to let me do the things I want to do in front of the computer with as minimal friction as possible.
This is not illiteracy or whatever new buzzword /g/entoomen are saying nowadays. People use things they do not deeply understand every single day, purely to achieve tasks they actually want done. Computers are no exception to this no matter how digitized our existence gets.
I'm not sure if you're that kind of person but it's a rather common archetype in the linux space, in my experience.
>>28664I've been trying gaymemaker studio on a VM with Kubuntu and it did require minimal tinkering. Nevertheless my experience says problems will only start appearing halfways through regular use but as long as it just werks, that's enough to keep me away from winblows for a long time.
With other Gaymes, I've been having nothing but
better performance on most of the games I play on Steam or old console emulators so it's already a solved issue for me - barring my steering wheel peripheral; it's a logitech G923 which allegedly has compatible drivers for leenucks but I'm too much of a brainlet to make it work and believe me I spent days on that one, so that's on me lol.
And yeah, anything with Anticheat will never ever work on GNU+Linux unless there's a demonstrably large exodus of whales into the ecosystem somehow, so it's not gonna happen.
>>28666As I understand, the point of AUR over other package managers like apt is that it allows more bleeding edge shit on it, right?
>>28816i dropped kde after the kde4 fiasco and them telling users to "fix it themselves" and "we didn't tell the distro to release it".
iirc they never made up the lost users since.
that aseigo dude was the face of it.
i'm an lxqt enjoyer now.
>>28825i like trinity and I loved kde 3.5, but trinity seems stuck in time. it is certainly usable, but like i said, lxqt does the "desktop" thing much better now.
>>28824it's not about hanging on to some 20 year old issue, it's just moving on from kde. they had a pretty good audience before kde4, people left and found alternatives, there isn't much reason to check it out again now.
>>28075This is w.r.t. to Guix, which I use, but I assume Nix is the same.
- Programs are not installed systemwide, but instead built with a build daemon, cached, and the symlinked when needed. This enables the following:
- Program installation without sudo. Your installed programs will not interfere with those installed by other users, as your profiles are kept as separate collections of symlinks.
- Temporary shell environments: Allows you to test out and use programs not installed in your user environment without cluttering your home environment. Think of it as similiar to python virtualenv but for your system package manager.
- Time travelling: If you update your system and something breaks, you can roll back your system to a previous state. In fact, you can install programs from any earlier revision of your system. If you know program X worked in 2020, you can simply request that version instead. I use this for research reproducibility.
Properties of Guix not in Nix:
- Fully Free: If you don't use additional channels, you are guaranteed that your system is 100% Free. Guix is FSF endorsed.
- Bootstrappable: All software in the default channel can be bootstrapped, all the way back to a 500 byte (yes, byte) binary seed.
Guix has a steeper learning curve than Ubuntu, so be ready for that if you try it out. You can install it as an overlay package manager on other systems as well, if you want to get a taste for Guix.
See also
https://guix.gnu.org/ >>28838Not sure exactly what you are asking, but the ability to create ephemeral shells is something I use more or less daily. Here is a blog post that might make the concept clearer:
https://www.futurile.net/2023/04/29/guix-shell-virtual-environments-containers/You can install both guix and nix on other distros, so you can play around with this without distrohopping.
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