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I'm here so you guys scream at me to try to convince me to use anything but a noobuntu distro.

After support for W10 ends I'm switching my 14 years old home desktop computer into something a bit more recent, and I'm genuinely considering using GNU+Linux as my "main driver" as kids say nowadays.

I have a lot of experience using Mint as that was my distro of choice for nearly 14 months, I think Cinnamon is an eyesore but otherwise it just werks and I could do almost everything I wanted to do except running Game Maker Studio 2 which is only available on Ubuntu according to the devs.

I'm considering using Kubuntu since KDE Plasma looks sick and it's basically Ubuntu so I can consoom my noob gamedev kit in peace.

As an addendum I hate "rolling distros". Manjaro is an abomination where things just werk against you if you're not a giga turbonerd who's on the computer 24/7 and derives sexual pleasure from fixing tech issues.

why not just use standard ubuntu desktop? i've used tons of distros, the longest i've used where opensuse (both leap and tumbleweed), fedora workstation, and ubuntu. ubuntu has noticible issues, but its still the best.

>>28068
I like how KDE Plasma looks and feels and Kubuntu is primarily geared towards it.
I'm aware that I can just install the DE on standard Ubuntu but then again why not go for the ubuntu version that's built around it?

I remember ubuntu broke a lot when I used it. Enough so I didn't notice much of a stability difference when I went to arch.
NixOS hasn't broke on me once.

>>28069
NixOS has a few DE's to choose from in it's installer, including Plasma.

>>28069
thats true, i was just wondering if there was a specific reason to avoid the default/gnome desktop. anyways, i support your argument for using kubuntu, im personally not a superfan of kde, but of all the kde-first distros i've used i think kubuntu definitely was the best, tumbleweed is also good BUT it's rolling and if you have any problems it'll likely be a technical nightmare to fix, i haven't used fedora kde much myself but its supposedly good for kde. just avoid kde neon like the plague, its a stable ubuntu base, but still a broken mess last time i checked.

>>28071
>>28071
I quickly checked out NixOS. Seems a bit more complex than I'd like tbh, and my time with Memejaro really soured me on rolling release distros.
What would I win if I use it over (K)Ubuntu?

>>28072
Thank you for your input.
Fedora was the other option I was eyeing for KDE but it's rolling release and I'm traumatized lol.
Third option is just use Mint like I've been doing until now, Cinnamon is ugly but it's not <<that>> bad.

What do you guys think about Canonical? Can they be trusted to not fuck our shit up?

I assume that you tried running Game Maker studio on Mint and it failed? The devs mightve said its only on Ubuntu, but Mint IS Ubuntu so I dont see why it wouldnt work.

That aside, I think youll be alright with Kubuntu. KDE goes through some growing pain phases ocasionally but its very versatile, and so is the Ubuntu base. Bonus points for being more insulated from Canonical's stupidity since youre in a spinoff

>>28073
Ah well NixOS has a stable and rolling version, I use the stable one.

Honestly with how I use NixOS it's not too different, I install a few programs and update occasionally, but instead of having to make an install script everything is already listed in configuration.nix, so if you need to reinstall you just pop that config where it goes, rebuild, and everything's how it was.

Appearently it's more secure since everything's containerized, I haven't noticed much different as a user, other than needing a program called appimage-run to run appimages.

>>28074
I did try GMS2 on Mint a bunch of times and it failed without an error message - the worst kind of error.
Granted, that was eons ago in like 2018 but the devs still appear to be pretty insistent on it being Ubuntu only.

>>28075
Oh it has a stable release too? I'll take a deeper look at it I guess.

>>28067
>I'm considering using Kubuntu
It's a good choice if it works for you. It's free software, after all.

>>28067
>I'm here so you guys scream at me to try to convince me to use anything but a noobuntu distro.
Proprietary blobs aside, if noobuntu is comfortable to you then by all means use it. I don't want you to suffer as you try to use GNU+Linux, the experience of using it should be more fun and enjoyable than using Windows. If using a more advanced distro is not for you that's okay, you are still /ourguy/. We can be like one big family.

I liked xubuntu. Simple and lightweight

Kubuntu is a pretty decent choice, anon.

I mean as a daily driver you'd want to use a stable distro anyway.

>>28156 (me)
Ah, I forgot how the devs sneaked in Amazon search inside Ubuntu so the OS was sending all your search data to Amazon. For that reason I recommend sticking with Linux Mint Debian Edition.

>>28161
LMDE is also solid.

If OP wants to avoid snaps he can just install KDE on linux mint and use it instead of the regular DE

KDE Neon is Kubuntu except more up to date

I highly recommend that you install Linux Mint or Kubuntu because they are easy to use.

>>28073
>Fedora was the other option I was eyeing
Fedora is not that good, in my opinion. You need to enable the 3rd-party RPM Fusion repo to get codecs. Another problem is that SElinux is not simple to use if you need to configure it.

>>28161
>the devs sneaked in Amazon search inside Ubuntu
That's actually a deal breaker to me. Kubuntu has that too? Guess I'll have to look somewhere else.
What does Debian Edition for Mint offer me in opposition to regular Mint, as a home user who also games every once in a while?

>>28162
KDE on Mint was one of my first options but I opted for a distro that's made for KDE in mind instead, since I've heard KDE on mint isn't as stable using it compared to cinnamon / mate / xfce.

>>28244
I'll look into this, but I'm reading it's a rolling release distro and I'm looking for something very stable that I can use daily with minimal hiccups like this anon >>28160 said. Mint+Cinnamon did it for me back in the day.

>>28248
Thanks for the insight on Fedora.

>>28325
the devs did not "sneak" anything. it was a loudly announced feature of the unity desktop which ubuntu doesn't even use anymore, was only in like one version because it took to much effort to maintain and noone liked it, and it was never in kubuntu/kde

>>28326
also this was literally in the 2010s, like how long has it been now and people are still repeating this fud bruh

>>28325
>I'll look into this, but I'm reading it's a rolling release distro and I'm looking for something very stable that I can use daily with minimal hiccups

I never really had issues with it myself. Even though it's a rolling distro it's pretty stable. It uses stable builds of Ubuntu as its base and newest releases of KDE software for its updates.

>>28067
I recently switched my main from Mac OS to Mint. Use Cinnamenu and Plank with it. Its been great so far, I still have a VM for any Windows shit I may need, but with Okular, pdf arranger, shutter, krita, inkscape most my needs are covered.

Also… fuck gimp. Krita is way better

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>>28439
Also… mandatory screencap. Got the dracula theme on it, shit is fire

Simple distro recommendations
>normie
<mint
>power user
<pop!
>autist
<anything else but especially nix

>>28443
Pop is normie too, a power user should be on Arch, Gentoo or Slackware.

>>28443
I got my dad to use NixOS and he's had no issues. Compared to Windows 11 it's a completely frictionless experience until he needs to add a new program every couple months.

>>28067
Anon, ubuntu and its derivatives are a great introduction to Linux, but what do you want out of it? You know, you can make it look like whatever you want, you can make it do basically whatever you want, but it requires you to get more hands on.

People recommend Arch and Manjaro for those wanting to learn more about Linux, but I would personally recommend that if you want to learn more about Linux and Computing more broadly, you should try gentoo.

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64

Gentoo is source based, so you learn about compilation and the gcc toolchain.

Moreover, if you do get more heavily into computing, I can guarantee you that you are not going to care what your WM or DE looks like. I use gentoo with a bar, a wallpaper, and a window manager, and it functions great. No compositor, no widgets, nothing too fancy. I have a launcher for apps, and bspwm lets you set hotkeys using SXHKD. You can develop your own unqiue workflow, and your machine will become like second nature to you,

Currently I am practicing redteaming methods and various exploits. You too can god-mode the machines, it just takes some time and intellectual investment

>>28444
What are the benefits of Arch over Mint or kubuntu? If someone doesnt have time to spend all day running commands in the terminal and just get to work, Mint is king. I only see m'lady types suggesting Arch or something to distinguish their Linux skills apart. But most people just want something to work. It's not even normie to want it, its just being sane. Only neets have time to spare setting up arch and all the other distros

>>28448
literally none, the only reason one would want to use arch is because they have a highly specific use case and need to do everything themselves to get it just right, its a total waste of time if you just want to get things done.

>>28448
>>28451
what do you have against computing for the sake of computing?

OP here.

>>28439
I use both Krita and GIMP on Windows. They serve different purposes and I couldn't see me trying to work with Krita for some of my most common image edition needs that I can easily achieve with GIMP instead.

>>28440
Looks pretty good to me. GNU/Linux people do go hard on ricing.

>>28446
>>28447
>but what do you want out of it?
My main goal is to get away from Windows but still be able do my shitty amateur gamedev things. I'd name other things but I know first hand that on Mint I could do almost anything I wanted already back in 2016 except GM Studio and some gaymes.

Learning is part of the process and unavoidable of course. But I'm not into learning Linux or even Computers for its own sake, just enough for it to let me do the things I want to do in front of the computer with as minimal friction as possible.
This is not illiteracy or whatever new buzzword /g/entoomen are saying nowadays. People use things they do not deeply understand every single day, purely to achieve tasks they actually want done. Computers are no exception to this no matter how digitized our existence gets.

I'm not sure if you're that kind of person but it's a rather common archetype in the linux space, in my experience.

>>28662
>I could do almost anything I wanted already back in 2016 except GM Studio and some gaymes.
pretty sure gaymaker studio has a linux version already but requires some manual setup. games work beautifully and without much messing through lutris or steam thanks to proton, unless you want to play competitive games specifically, then you're fucked

>>28448
>What are the benefits of Arch
the AUR, but I wouldn't recommend this because you have to be pretty responsible when you download and install user-committed stuff. also arch is pretty flexible without getting too complex, and it's easy to maintain if you do regular updates. it just werks for me. im not a high-end hoity toity linux expert, but I know my way around some things I suppose

>>28664
I've been trying gaymemaker studio on a VM with Kubuntu and it did require minimal tinkering. Nevertheless my experience says problems will only start appearing halfways through regular use but as long as it just werks, that's enough to keep me away from winblows for a long time.

With other Gaymes, I've been having nothing but better performance on most of the games I play on Steam or old console emulators so it's already a solved issue for me - barring my steering wheel peripheral; it's a logitech G923 which allegedly has compatible drivers for leenucks but I'm too much of a brainlet to make it work and believe me I spent days on that one, so that's on me lol.

And yeah, anything with Anticheat will never ever work on GNU+Linux unless there's a demonstrably large exodus of whales into the ecosystem somehow, so it's not gonna happen.

>>28666
As I understand, the point of AUR over other package managers like apt is that it allows more bleeding edge shit on it, right?

>>28668
>the point of AUR over other package managers like apt is that it allows more bleeding edge shit on it, right?
the point of the AUR is that virtually anyone can link to a repo or to a binary somewhere, provide automated build and/or install instructions and bundle it as a package (sort of), which means that the AUR is the largest repository bar none on any distro.

Elementary OS is actually good now if you use a Wayland session (secure session in the login settings)

based KDE enjoyer
I use KDE btw

>>28816
i dropped kde after the kde4 fiasco and them telling users to "fix it themselves" and "we didn't tell the distro to release it".
iirc they never made up the lost users since.
that aseigo dude was the face of it.
i'm an lxqt enjoyer now.

>>28817
git gud

>>28817
>i dropped kde after the kde4 fiasco
i barely remember the kde3.5/kde4 shitshow, that was almost 20 years ago, some things you just have to let go at some point lol

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>>28817
>>28824
what is your opinion on trinity?

>>28825
i like trinity and I loved kde 3.5, but trinity seems stuck in time. it is certainly usable, but like i said, lxqt does the "desktop" thing much better now.
>>28824
it's not about hanging on to some 20 year old issue, it's just moving on from kde. they had a pretty good audience before kde4, people left and found alternatives, there isn't much reason to check it out again now.

>>28827
>it's not about hanging on to some 20 year old issue, it's just moving on from kde
it doesn't sound like you've moved on considering you responded to someone unprompted with your 20 year old anecdote, but whatever. KDE is pretty much the best wayland DE and what i would easily recommend it over just about any other DE, barring computers with shitty specs

>>28075
This is w.r.t. to Guix, which I use, but I assume Nix is the same.

- Programs are not installed systemwide, but instead built with a build daemon, cached, and the symlinked when needed. This enables the following:
- Program installation without sudo. Your installed programs will not interfere with those installed by other users, as your profiles are kept as separate collections of symlinks.
- Temporary shell environments: Allows you to test out and use programs not installed in your user environment without cluttering your home environment. Think of it as similiar to python virtualenv but for your system package manager.
- Time travelling: If you update your system and something breaks, you can roll back your system to a previous state. In fact, you can install programs from any earlier revision of your system. If you know program X worked in 2020, you can simply request that version instead. I use this for research reproducibility.

Properties of Guix not in Nix:

- Fully Free: If you don't use additional channels, you are guaranteed that your system is 100% Free. Guix is FSF endorsed.
- Bootstrappable: All software in the default channel can be bootstrapped, all the way back to a 500 byte (yes, byte) binary seed.

Guix has a steeper learning curve than Ubuntu, so be ready for that if you try it out. You can install it as an overlay package manager on other systems as well, if you want to get a taste for Guix.

See also https://guix.gnu.org/

>>28837
What are the advantages of the nix/guix packaging model over /package in everyday use?

>>28838
Not sure exactly what you are asking, but the ability to create ephemeral shells is something I use more or less daily. Here is a blog post that might make the concept clearer: https://www.futurile.net/2023/04/29/guix-shell-virtual-environments-containers/

You can install both guix and nix on other distros, so you can play around with this without distrohopping.

>>28840
Yeah, i don't really need something like this. The only place where i would use reproducable builds would be a minimal server setup and i'd rather just write a couple shell scripts for that.

>>28841
Ephemeral shells I use not so much for reproducibility as for convenience, similarly to how you use python virtualenvs to avoid cluttering your profile with python packages. Whether this makes any difference to you depends on the types of tasks you do.

>>28842
>Whether this makes any difference to you depends on the types of tasks you do.
It doesn't really. The environments of my desktop is polluted by things from under /usr/local and orphan files from multiple releases back and i don't see anything wrong with this. For the chroots and servers i work with it's either similar or control is tight enough that rolling my own is the most attractive of all options. Sorry, but i don't want guix to compile the jungle on my banana server.

Emacs is your best bet then


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