>Vibe coding, sometimes spelled vibecoding, is an AI-powered programming practice where a programmer surrenders to the "vibes" and power of the AI, while ignoring the details of the generated code. After describing a problem in a few sentences, a programmer can watch as the AI codes a custom solution such as an app or website.
>In a March 2025 video "Vibe Coding is the Future", managing partner Jared Friedman said that AI has generated 95% of the codebases for a quarter of the current batch of Y Combinator startups.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibe_codingHow fucked are we?
>>28692I mean junior programmers are fucked in the short term. However that just means that corporations and startups need to change. Since they still need experienced coders, but can't get them anymore by just letting the junior devs gain experience and rise the ranks.
Also what the fuck are you going to do if something breaks and nobody understands your 2 million line codebase well enough to know why.
>>28692AI Code=Bugs is the current belief.
More time and energy and it will improve.
>>28693>now lol
>>28700>More time and energy and it will improve.It will. But at the end of the day the technical prowess of this technology is a smaller part of the puzzle compared to the social "change" (read: even more capitalist debauchery) that the technosoybros are keen to push with what we already have.
OP here. What I meant by "How fucked are we?" isn't a reference to job security but the fact that corpos are going full steam ahead with a tool that produces very vulnerable and exploitable code.
>>28693Good thing at least someone has noticed and now the article has a long-ass maintenance template at the top.
>>28709learn how to be a leet haxor and sink as many petty bouj as you can
becoming moneyed is a nice byproduct too
>>28692>How fucked are we?I’m actually so happy to see this happening, my job is secured for the next decade.
The problem with treating programming like a simple trade that can be taught quickly is that it is simple for the most part until it isn't and then you're completely fucked.
That didn't take long lol.
First dude to rely on it for his shitty dime-a-dozen SaaS went exactly like how you'd expect.
https://xcancel.com/leojr94_/status/1900767509621674109https://xcancel.com/leojr94_/status/1901560276488511759>>28692This is absolutely a real thing. Brogrammers are coping hard because theyre scared to see their wages go the way of finance ala 2008, but it will 100% drop wages.
And I always hear some BS about how AI cant write good code, but its crap. It writes better code than most engineers anyways so techies are def cooked. Spoiled ass techbros are scared but theyve had it good for too long and dont like the fall
>>28910cope. I have yet to hear any viable explanation for why AI code is worse. If anything its linted better than engineers who try to obfuscate code to keep their jobs.
>>28694Also cope. Define meaningful complexity. Most devs arent working on a million line project at once, they are changing some css on a button or someshit.
>>28701More cope. Ai code is plenty reliable most models now can oneshot it, if not maybe 3 prompts and its working fine. Thats still better from porkys perspective than paying a days wages for the same thing
>>28775Cope. Programming is a simple trade. And dont bring up abstract shit like comp sci because thats not what most the job is like. Its the lowest barrier to entry shit field that even bootcampers could do up until the bubble popped this year.
>>28938Still got my comfy remote job. Still use all the math I learned in college. Still not replaced by AI. Cope, seethe, and mald.
>>28936>Define meaningful complexityImplementing cutting edge algos with only papers to reference. Modifying dogshit twenty year old codebases without breaking everything. Anything that isn't boilerplate or a greenfield CRUD webapp.
>>28704Only if "vibe coding" becomes prevalent.
>>28721Legit career prospect. Otherwise, black hat cracker for $$$
>>28906Windows 2000 level of stability with XP security and 11's resource consumption.
>>28910ThePrimagen allegedly reported that while using AI for gamedev the AI produced a ton of dead code because that's what you usually find in the codebases, even if it's not actually needed. If only I suppose that AI will have a further standardizing effect on codebases
>>28934Bro they funded Juicero
>>28935> it will 100% drop wages.No doubt about it
> I always hear some BS about how AI cant write good codeIt cannot for large projects. The thing is, the industry is more than willing to cope with it if it means to lessen labour costs
>>28936> Most devs arent working on a million line project at once, they are changing some css on a button or someshit.In a 15 year old codebase spanning 80k+ lines of pure spaghetti.
>>28936> Programming is a simple trade.No, not beyond the basics. See the level of trash produced by the average freshman who only ever took a few lessons in python
>2015: Are YOU going to be replaced by a 10x developer?
>2025: Are YOU going to be replaced by Vibe Coder?
Are there any other workers as vulnerable to challenges to their egos as tech workers? Whether it's the claim that there's superhumans shitting out 400 hours of productivity a week while inexplicably choosing to waste their power on code monkeying, or that people who are completely non-technical will now get to develop the cool stuff (like video games) you dreamed of doing when first starting programming by leveraging the productive power of AI, tech workers never fail to take the bait and have a meltdown over it.
It's pretty clear that working in tech is just becoming another standard job, it's no longer an artisan career that pays well because employers fear the labour required is hard to come by, for the last 15 years there has been the unrelenting attempt to "neg" tech workers into accepting they simply have office jobs and thus needn't be paid like their jobs are special and can't be done by either juniors, foreign sweatshops or computerisation itself.
Ultimately, that's the real fear here, is that growing up in a time when people thought "computers hard, only nerds can into computers" is strongly contradicting with the present reality where automation and abstractions have enabled the same alienation of labour that has occured to all other industries. That's why it's ogre for coooders, not because AI will actually replace all jobs, but because we're at the point where it becomes firmly proletarian work pushing the buttons on the AI machine to carry out the commands coming down from management, rather than being creative, skilled, high-demand, artisan, "middle-class", etc.
>>28944I think there is a dissociation with how smart people expect "techies" to be and the reality that we live in a golden era of tech tooling providing automation and abstractions that have made the brilliance previously required not necessary for just shitting out new features to the slop platforms that generate the most profits.
People who have been brought up hearing about how their mums thought they were
cool smart are people who now tear each other to shreds online in competition to prove their mums right and their colleagues mums wrong, that then all have an existential crisis when boss man comes in and says
>Really I expect 10x the productivity from all of you, I think you're all paid too much considering bootcampers, AI and foreign sweatshop developers can do "coding" for nish in comparison.Tech workers could probably stave off the inevitable for a bit longer, but they were like crabs escaping from a bucket at the best of times, so they're fucked now the veracity of their positions are actually being challenged from above.
>>28945that sounds too specific and kind of a projection
the truth is that most of these are empty threats that companies use to keep employees in line, the only difference with other fields is that programmers in the first world are too reddit to notice they are being duped, they have been trained by the internet to think everything is a good faith debate of facts and hypothesis
>>28946>that sounds too specific and kind of a projectionReally? Because you've just claimed most in the industry are "mentally weak", which kind of proves my point.
>they have been trained by the internet to think everything is a good faith debate of facts and hypothesisI really doubt this, any tech forum online for the last 15-20 years has been endless flame wars about languages, frameworks, platforms, types of programming jobs, etc in a seemingly never ending quest to prove that other people's jobs aren't "real programming", so it's not surprising that they have a freak out when discussions about unproductive, unskilled, unnecessary people in the tech industry is no longer about ego stroking, but things managers, investors and bosses are starting to feel emboldened to complain about.
>>28936
>I have yet to hear any viable explanation for why AI code is worseRead the code that it generates, especially when asked to generate something of moderate size. Also, refer to
>>28794
>If anything its linted better than engineers who try to obfuscate code to keep their jobs.Sure, you can cherry pick the worst/malicious engineers, however, the AI is still trained with such code, and given that, it's highly likely that it will output code that has such quality.
As previously said, unless the code going into the LLM is somehow curated, it's going to be Garbage in, Garbage out. If you train in with average quality code, it will output below average code.
>Most devs arent working on a million line project at once, they are changing some css on a button or someshit.You mean stuff that the average person could do with a simple bootcamp?
>Ai code is plenty reliable most models now can oneshot it, if not maybe 3 prompts and its working fineDoes it generate the expected output, is it secure, is it performant? Also, what kind of tasks are we talking about?
>Programming is a simple trade"changing some css on a button or someshit" is simple. Not programming in general, writing safe, performant, and clean code is certainly not that simple. And certainly not stuff such as system design, debugging, profiling, figuring out requirements, talking to clients etc.
anonymous, do you even know how ML works? (and yea it's ML 'cus real AI has never been tried, but unironically).
It simple abstracts things, tokenizes whatever the proompter vomited on the input box - and most people readily tell there's a huge problem here already - and then shits out the answer given the weights of its training data.
If you dudes have ever played with chatgpt before, you know that it's kinda shitty at keeping the thread on conversations, particularly the longer they go on, and that seemingly simple details often escape its "reasoning" (think counting the Rs on strawberry as a classic example).
For my realm of experience with "cooding" with chatgpt, it's most useful when you ask it <how> to solve a particular issue, or to tell it to write boilerplate shit for you. Once I've gotten into the nitty-gritty I've more often than not found myself guiding the chatbot through my problem, taking a lot of time I could've used actually coding, or the problem was so fucking solved already than a visit to stackoverflow was just as fast if not faster.
Not to mention the fucking architectural concerns of building an actual software solution outside of a calculator or some shit. While slapping shit together, hoping for the best and spending years upon years debugging the mess you caused has been a time honored tradition of the cooder guild, I feel like having a machine slap shit together for you may in fact make everything way more obtuse (ergo, more time intensive) once it's time to do some deep debugging.
>>28969>For my realm of experience with "cooding" with chatgpt, it's most useful when you ask it <how> to solve a particular issue, or to tell it to write boilerplate shit for you.yep, pretty much what people did with stackoverflow. copy sample code (how to do) from it and modify it to your case or copy boilerplate off it.
yes, it is wowing the same people who fell for the "make ablog in 5 minutes with ruby on rails" 20 years ago, but then those people jump on every tech trend. 2 years ago they were hawking blockchain hashes as "digital ownership" dreaming of becoming billionaires off that grift.
>>28692EXTREMELY fucked.
>LLMs can't stop making up software dependencies and sabotaging everything>Hallucinated package names fuel 'slopsquatting'https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2025/04/12/ai_code_suggestions_sabotage_supply_chain/>The rise of LLM-powered code generation tools is reshaping how developers write software - and introducing new risks to the software supply chain in the process.>These AI coding assistants, like large language models in general, have a habit of hallucinating. They suggest code that incorporates software packages that don't exist.>As we noted in March and September last year, security and academic researchers have found that AI code assistants invent package names. In a recent study, researchers found that about 5.2 percent of package suggestions from commercial models didn't exist, compared to 21.7 percent from open source or openly available models.>Running that code should result in an error when importing a non-existent package. But miscreants have realized that they can hijack the hallucination for their own benefit.>All that's required is to create a malicious software package under a hallucinated package name and then upload the bad package to a package registry or index like PyPI or npm for distribution. Thereafter, when an AI code assistant re-hallucinates the co-opted name, the process of installing dependencies and executing the code will run the malware.Keep in mind the retarded zoomer techbros at DOGE want the entire US government to replace its administrative infrastructure with AI-generated code. Including Social Security.
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