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 No.7262

I’m installing linux for the first time, what distro should I use? I’m fine with it taking hours to set up, as long as it’s free. I ain’t paying for that shit. I was leaning towards gentoo but what do you guys think?

 No.7266

The DPRK created distro, obviously.

If prior experience with Linux is not particularly high, then just install Ubuntu, Debian, or one of the mainstream distros. There are some variants of those that strip out the few proprietary components if that matters a lot, but those are maintained quite decently and are widely used in the real world.

They won't be as "LEET" or "cool", but it's better for general security and functionality than if one tries to use some obscure distro without the requisite knowledge to actually do so safely.

 No.7269

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>>7266
ubuntu is easy to use and intuitive. I am currently running it now. ubuntu has been caught before attempting to sell user data to Amazon, though, via some shady pre-install shit. It has not be retracted, but, that should be reason enough for concern.

On my desktop I use gentoo and, yes, while complicated and, yes, you are correct it can be dangerous to put powerful distros in peoples hands who do not use them there is no denying that gentoo is with out a shadow of a doubt secure and totally free and open source out of the box.

OP: My suggestion to you is to Either start with Ubuntu, or, Linux Mint (Or if you are using a toast use lubutnu) and use those distros for a solid year, or, two. Do not shy away from the terminal. Live in the terminal. Breath the terminal. Do everything from the terminal. Watch some youtube videos about linux basics; basic commands, how the filesystem works (hint everything in linux is a file) and just live in the enviroment for a year or two. After you get accustomed to linux switch to Gentoo, or, Arch linux, or, Slack and build it from the ground up. That's what I did and now I barely even touch the surface net, lol. When I do reach out to the surface net its through a docker container over lokinet.

 No.7275

Use a *buntu flavor like Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Kubuntu.

 No.7276

Go with Linux Mint. It has recently become a clearly preferable entry for people since Ubuntu's Canonical Ltd. rapidly became pants-on-head retarded.
Mint also has a more intuitive Desktop Environment (DE) than Ubuntu for people that are familiar with Windows.

 No.7277

>>7276
Mint, as an Ubuntu derivative, ultimately incorporates changes made upstream by Canonical. It's really baffling to me how people recommend it as a way to escape Canonical's bad decisions. If you want to get away from them while still recommending an Ubuntu-like distro you should recommend Debian.

 No.7278

>>7277
Nope, see the snap vs flatpak controversy.
Mint is now-a-days doing better decisions and does do good changes from upstream whenever Canonical shits the bed (Mint never implemented Ubuntu's Amazon adware tracker into the status bar either).

 No.7279

>>7278 (me)
>status bar
I meant Start menu*

 No.7280

>>7278
Most *buntu (if not all?) flavors that use different DEs did the same over the spyware thing. Now I'm curious what changes upstream Mint actually incorporates though, that they can still consider themselves to be an Ubuntu derivative.

 No.7281

>>7280
Oh they definitely still are an Ubuntu-derivative, they just seem a bit more concerned about not developing into a Canonical-exclusive corner (Mir, Amazon spyware, snap) and from my point of view this also indirectly makes them provide more reasonable security (snap is partially proprietary for example).

 No.7341

>>7262
personally i use Debian as much as i dont want to reccomend ibm os, but fedora is probably the best newbie but non ubuntu distro, followed by debian.
>easy to install
>free as in freedom
>stable for a semi rolling release
>recent packages
debian testing still has some package issues and will need more tinkering, however, uses a better package manager and if you download from the net its a lot easier to find propreitary .deb packages than .rpm packages
also fedora is a bitch to remove

manjaro is a total ass in stability and mint is ubuntu derived so it implements canonicals bullshit at least to an extent like >>7277 said

 No.7342

>>7277
*but as much as i dont want to reccomend

 No.7430

Clément, the creator and main maintainer of Linux Mint, is anti-zionist, so it is de facto the /tech/ distro.

 No.7450

>>7262
I recommend manjaro + plasma. But honestly, distributions aren't that big of a deal, just choose anything that's:
A) Not base ubunto
B) Not difficult: gentoo, pure debian (from what I've heard), or pure arch. Basically avoid anything that requires an actual tutorial since there's nothing of value to be gained from following step by step with a tutorial.
C) Not Dead
D) Isn't a dumb gimmick (devuan, void, etc.)

Also any distro that uses systemd is basically the same so if you're planning on using a distro that uses it, use what's popular.

 No.7451

Void.

 No.7452

Devuan

 No.7458

Debian is a decent starting point

Gentoo is only nice if you have a powerful computer, compiling stuff on a laptop sucks ass

 No.7459

>>7452
>>7458
>Debian is a decent starting point
No it's not. It's not simple to go from Windows / Mac straight into Debian. It's also not intended to be, as it's mainly a server distro made for sysadmins. Debian requires a degree of habituation with the GNU/Linux system in order to be used comfortably, unlike distros made for average desktop users like OP, for who Mint and *buntu would be more suitable.
>>7450
Manjaro isn't a bad rec, but it's based on more unstable ground (Arch, rolling release) instead of Debian (Mint, *buntu) and thus is more prone to crashes / problems. I would place this higher in terms or recommendability rather than pure Debian, Deuvan, pure Arch, Void or Gentoo though, of which some have mentioned ITT.

 No.7460

Noob from windows? Linux Mint is my rec.
Debian is a pain if you need up-to-date stuff as opposed to stable, like games or media software.

 No.7462

>>7459
I don't agree, instaling debian with a DE is easy as pie, maintaining debian is simple but not too simple, and so OP will be able to learn the inner workings of a gnu/linux distro while still having a working OS.

Mint is decent too tbf

 No.7564

debian
arch
gentoo

all you need
everything else is useless cringe niche

 No.7565

>>7564
Why did you suggest Debian twice?

 No.7566


 No.7865

>>7262
Hannah Montana LinuxpiratePirate

 No.7888

If you actually want to learn Linux, go for Gentoo or at least arch, and do as much through terminal as possible. I recommend a tiling window manager. They're honestly the absolute shit once you get used to them.

 No.7910

Linux From Scratch

 No.12803

debian sid
nixos
fedora/rocky linux
everything else is meme

 No.12807

Qubes OS

 No.12811

>>7262
>I’m fine with it taking hours to set up
Are you also fine with having to spend hours even after setting it up?

Gentoo is excellent if your willing to put in the time, if not, Arch is the closest you'll get to a good poweruser and usable distro

 No.12812

>>12807
ooh qubes is nice too (i'm the poster right before you)
>>12811
gentoo and arch are absolute memes. they only exist for people to see linux as some anti-practical niche hobby thing and attract tryhard n00bs as a result

 No.12823

>>7262
EndeavourOS is arch without the weirdy of Manjaro

 No.12825

I used to recommend alpinelinux over the mess that is glibc/freedesktop, yet now stable release 3.15 fails to boot, presumably when loading the ramdisk, without any debugging info whatsoever (not going to compile a kexec kernel for that). I will mirror its repositories, but will probably witness the breakdown of my archlinux chroot with steam in a few years. IMO the best option would have been multiple chroots or bedrock linux with a lightweight and stable base system like sabotage or kisslinux. Unfortunately my machine is too recent to go full dulapgentoo.

 No.12835

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>>12811
Gentoo is shit don't fall for the meme it's a time sink AND it's vulnerable
Idk maybe they fixed it but at least until recently it was trivially rootable by mitm that shit didn't verify packages lmao even tho it had the infrastructure in place it didn't have it configured, now how can you trust people who don't care about security enough to simply enable a basic security feature, how can you trust those people to actuually develop securely lmao
gentoo devs and users are stuck up morons

>>12812
arch is decent tho it's still vulnerable to freeze attacks iirc but that's not so bad
besides what alternative is there? I need latest libs to develop, and debian patches the out of them to the point where my gtk4 using program compiles literally everywhere but debian, my hybrid graphics work everywhere but debian etc. Let alone it's buggier than arch

 No.12844

debian is a good balance of easy, and respectful, clean, etc. and i recommend it
fwiw i started out with Void, and its super well documented and VERY minimalist and clean, doesnt use systemd, but is easy to maintain. I had a friend to help me set up though and it was still a pain. But next time i set it up it was the easiest thing… just follow the instructions lol.

qubes is great too and honestly its nice compared to linux, its comfortably monolithic in feel (even though under the hood its a mess) and that might be a plus for a windows or mac user? But the downside is that its a pain to set up at the beginning, and a huge learning curve, and their documentation is poorly centralized. Also ive had to just restart as the install got fucked for no reason i could decipher… but since then shits smooth. It was a couple week project for me though (being lazy) to get it all worked out how i wanted though, whereas any good linux distro is a few hours max, or like 10 minutes if u go stock everything and have very normal hardware.

(Btw, USE KEEPASS - forgot to mention whonix also but its great cause it comes with keepass and other privacy tools and makes proxying over tor a breeze. Anyways whatever you use, keep your dang passwords safe and dont lose them)

 No.12861

>>12835
>Idk maybe they fixed it but at least until recently it was trivially rootable by mitm that shit didn't verify packages lmao even tho it had the infrastructure in place it didn't have it configured, now how can you trust people who don't care about security enough to simply enable a basic security feature, how can you trust those people to actuually develop securely lmao
You're talking about the verify-sig useflag?

 No.12895

>>12861
I'm talking about not fucking exposing your ass to any mitmer, yeah

 No.12897

>>12895
What bug was it? and No, "I remember" coupled with lmao x 20 isn't a description, give an actual CVE

 No.12950

>>12897
k here you go
https://bugs.gentoo.org/597804
it says fixed but NO it fucking wasn't fixed not until 2021 that's for sure maybe they haven't even fixed it now can't be bothered to look into that shit again

 No.12953

Manjaro is good.

 No.13012

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If everyone on /tech/ doesn't use linux mint you may as well kill yourselves.

Or get a Macbook.

 No.13019

>>13012
i used to use kubuntu and then xubuntu after that
and then after that i just learned how to properly install and configure x11 and xfce and customize it myself

 No.13209


>>13012
>get a Macbook
I'd rather kill myself

 No.13210

>
I'd rather kill myself

 No.13230

dragora seems to be dead
shame tbh

 No.13236

>>13012
>Or get a Macbook.
Pay me to get one, I don't have a thousand dollars left around for an overpriced piece of plastic

 No.13241

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>>7262
Guix. Immune to Ken Thompson compiler attacks, free from binary blobs, immutable software store, easily spawn sandboxed ephemeral environments, containers, and VMs, support for object-capability microkernel GNU Hurd. Maximum protection against the glowies.

 No.13242

>>13241
Also managed by duplicitous wreckers trying to destroy the GNU project.

 No.13243

>>13241
>Maximum protection against the glowies
FOSS will not protect you against backdoors.
it is just as easy to put backdoors in FOSS as it is in proprietary software
in fact its even easier since you retards seem to have way too much trust in them, so ofc glowies will backdoor FOSS even more than proprietary software

 No.13244

>>13243
Got any proofs or are you just here to spread FUD?

 No.13248

>>13241
>try to install
>guix pull takes ten minutes downloading shit at 10kbps lmao
>ask on guix irc and they tell me "it does it sometimes"
>guix then stands there for hours apparently compiling shit hell knows why
Literally gentoo is more productive than this shit

 No.13249

>>13243
True
I think we need a new category
Like you know open source + unrestricted + not complicated
E.g. tcltk falls under that. Gnome doesn't. Let alone android

 No.13253

Debian

 No.13354

Now that arch is deprecated, what should I install?

 No.13355

>>13354
>deprecated
yeah right

 No.13356

>>13354
what do you mean?

 No.13358

>>13356
>outdated and unmaintained toolchain (glibc, gcc, binutils)
>no maintainers are stepping up to fix it
>no resolution in sight
>the only guy who knows how to do it won't do it because he doesn't like multilib

Also don't suggest void because it has the same poor maintainership problems (even worse) with both musl and glibc.

 No.13359


 No.13398

>>13248
holy shit exactly guix pull takes 10 years, faster than compiling rustc on 2 cores.

 No.13442

>>13359
based

 No.13705

How decent is debian testing for desktop usage? I'm pretty used to stable but I'm considering switching to testing.

 No.13706

>>13705
For what reason do you want Debian Testing?

I personally stopped after trying because I needed up-to-date packages (not even sid satisfied what I wanted) and the features I wanted in a DE made me end up frankensteining it (maybe a personal problem)

 No.13707

>>13706
Mostly because I use kde and it's development goes a bit too fast for stable

 No.13710

>>13705
go full unstable

 No.13711

>>13705
You don't want to use something meant for server use for personal use, trust me.

 No.13713

>>13711
I've been using debian on my desktop and server for years, it's fine

 No.13721

>>13713
Sure if you never use anything else other than a web browser and don't mind everything being outdated.

 No.13724

>>13721
well, there's a sources.list file that you can modify to fix that

 No.13935

>>13358
It looks like it’s getting fixed though
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=270662&p=7

Objectively, Arch is the best Linux distro, though for your first one Mint or Manjaro may be better. Also it’s a good idea to try them out in a Virtualbox VM, to get a feel and practice installing without reformatting your hard drive.

 No.13947

devuan and antiX have leftists in their community maintaining and supporting them
https://www.antixforum.com/
https://dev1galaxy.org/

 No.13981

Yea, I vote Fedora too. It's cutting edge, but not bleeding edge. It updates fast but more for the sake of compatibility, security and stability than fore newness' sake. Just werks and if you don't mind GNOME you can even install Silverblue and get a system that does everything a normal user could want through GNOME and GNOME Circle flatpaks.

 No.15700

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As a long time Ubuntu fan because the user experience just works, the actual company is ran by a monkey who wants to turn the OS into an Apple product. Just read about the byzantine interview process for Canonical to get an understanding of the management rot.

I'll still keep using Ubuntu because I'm used to it, but fuck that entire company.

 No.15704

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>>13947
>devuan
sauce?
>antiX
Yeah, anticapitalista is the project creator and releases are "named after prominent left-wing figures, groups and revolutionaries".
The OS is great fun for just running on a USB, unless you use it as a daily driver you might as well just run it live with persistence. Nifty for when you don't have a spare hard-drive/partition to install and want something more GNU/Linux than Puppy Linux or Alpine. Like Devuan, it's a non-systemd Debian-based OS, but it doesn't center its identity around not being systemd.
Make sure to change the IceWM theme to the nice blue one, which is default in antiX 19, then set the WM colors to match the dark mode (not shown here). Or do just download a theme you like.

 No.15710

>>13935
>objectively
Spooked.
>Arch
Cringe.
>best distro
Wrong.

Brought to you by Devuan gang.

 No.15711

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>>7262
freebsd

 No.15712

>>15704
>sauce?
jaromil is from the gnu project and apparently a rasta
also i caught a sabotabby pfp on the forums

 No.15922

>>15712
Nice and all, but not a source.

 No.15923

>>15711
GNU/Linux > *BSD
Don’t fall for the meme

 No.15924

Hi OP, you should try out Ubuntu! It doesn't cost any money, is easy to use for beginners, and has tons of support.

 No.15925

>>15924
also more secure by default, like a built-in firewall and fine-tuned GUI control over user privileges
lubuntu and xubuntu are good "flavors"

 No.15928

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Need advice as per the thread subject.

I'm practically a nub, moving from w*ndows and with a little bit of (very old) prior experience with linux. I've narrow the candidates down to MX (huge userbase, good DE) and antiX (made by greek socialists). How the heck do I chose?

inb4
>just try both of them out bro
Sadly, my time and energy are limited resources.

Pic very much related, it's Pepe being beset by inner doubt just like me.

 No.15929

>>15928
not to derail nut etf is the prompt for that photo? thanks in advance

 No.15930

>>15928
i wanna gonna give you a thoughtful reply but you frogposted

 No.15932

>>15928
>>just try both of them out bro
>Sadly, my time and energy are limited resources.
Have you thought about live-usbs? You could also install them in the https://www.virtualbox.org/ environment. Virtualbox is "easy to use" and it's notoriously unstable, yet most developers make an effort to support it.

>huge userbase

50% of problems I had in the past were already answered on askubuntu, because the most fail prone pieces of software are supported by near to any distro.

 No.15934

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>>15929
"Pepe the frog skull face" IIRC. Unexpected result. datamining post
>>15930
Sorry.
>>15932
I'll check out the live USB approach and virtualbox, thanks.
>50% of problems I had in the past were already answered on askubuntu, because the most fail prone pieces of software are supported by near to any distro.
Didn't know that, good info.

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>>15923
Not entirely wrong, but also not correct:

Pufferfish > Flag > Gnu with Penguin for a heart > Gnu with a D*mon for a heart > D*mon

Fuck FreeBSD, everyone should hate a shitty GNU/Linux wannabe.

 No.15948

>>15942
No, I meant all of them. OpenBSD didn't impress me. It doesn't do anything that GNU/Linux can't do better

 No.15964

>>15948
someone not shilling OpenBSD? am I in a dream?
yeah besides the cuck license, the whole "Muh Security" shtick has some flaws: https://isopenbsdsecu.re/

 No.15967

>>15948
What do some Linux distros do better?
The OpenBSD kernel has less hardware support and some performance bottlenecks. The system as a whole is very small and lightweight in comparison to the freedesktop strain of GNU/Linux, as well as being extremely stable and well put together. It's support is surprisingly active and while I feel like they are slowly accumulating technical debt, systems software research is dead anyways. I have used it multiple times since 6.3 and found it good enough and easy to maintain as a bandwidth-limited server or light desktop.

 No.15968

>>15967
>What do some Linux distros do better?
You answered it in the next paragraph. It's maybe only good for embedded applications.

 No.15992

>>7262
If you are leaning towards gentoo. Install gentoo, so you can learn why it is a meme.

 No.15993

>>15992
Damn I hate compiling software with the flags I want!

 No.15994

>>15993
Agreed, I just love when my package manager has a circular dependency to update itself.

 No.15995

>>15992
Why is gentoo always memed when Linux From Scratch has infinite more meme potential?

 No.15998

>>15995
It is sometimes memed for "learning linux".
Part of the reason is the lack of practical use cases for LFS, because it isn't really forward-compatible ("updates" would be repeating the install process). You could write your own update scripts, but there are already projects with full-featured package managers, that cover most of LFS's potential niche (https://sabotage-linux.github.io/ https://kisslinux.org/ https://sta.li/ https://www.glaucuslinux.org/).
Gentoo/portage in practice only supports freedesktop or freedesktop/openrc gnu/linux, but it's the most popular distro with few install scripts (compare pacstrap, arch-chroot and genfstab), a source-based package manager and supposedly noticeable performance benefits for the whole system.
Useflags already were a thing before gentoo btw. It wouldn't be a meme if it wasn't comparatively popular among pure source-based distros.

 No.16374

>>7262
"'Ubuntu"'

>updated repos and packages

>easy to use
>stable and sane default gui (gnome)
>can be customized
>community support
>not a hobby project

 No.16375

>>16374
>needs 40seconds to open firefox

 No.16376

>>16374
canonical glows in the dark and there is no reason to use it over mint (that removes the occasional telemetry) or any other luser friendly distro.

 No.16377

>>7262
macOS Ventura

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