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excavating tunnels, trenches, ditches, ramparts, moats, holes, any kind of defensive earthwork where industrial machinery isn't viable

you can get most stuff off of amazon or any hardware or milsurp store

 

What's the point of this? Legitimately curious. I also think shovels are cool.

 


 

>>1029
t. european armies before WWI

 

Did the USSR really build a defensive line around Kursk that was the equivalent to the distance between Moscow and Madrid?

 

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>>1028
>/mole/

 

>>1217
and now it's just /pol/ 2.0 and full of feds

 

>>1226
remember what they took from you

 

Can we post urban fighting positions here?

 

>>1217
This is a normal tactic on protest sites. I'll probably be on a site with tunnels next month.
If you want to understand these things I Suggest you get on site and learn from experience.

 

>>1274
Yeah, go ahead

>>1275
Are you replying to the cap? How is that relevant?

 

>>1288
I'm jus talking about building tunnels anon. It is a good tactic and knowledge worth learning.

 

>>1291
Sounds fun.

 

>>1293
Anarkyfriens have been building them over the UK. I recommend going to one of the anti HS2 sites to learn.
They're also good places to learn to spot undercovers for newer comrades as these camps are laughably overrun with the incompetent retards.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ldmWu3ANoNM

 

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Hello,
What do we do with all of the rock from the peoples tunnels?

True volume:
8ft diameter and 1 Kilometer Long = ~19,000 m^3
19,000 m^3 means a cone of 54 meters radius and a height of 6 meters

Location:
River and water: Bad
Landscaping: Quantity
Walls: One can only explain so much rock.
Art: Way to much is extracted.

 

Don't forget that those Soviet MPL-50s can be used as a weapon in a last ditch situation.

 

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DPRK is full of massive tunnel networks, they get brought up quite a bit when the Americans are whining about nukes.
Kek I just searched it and there are a bunch of articles on it, but this wikipedia article is even better:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Tunnel_of_Aggression
>A total of four tunnels have been discovered so far, but there are believed to be up to twenty more.[7] The South Korean Armed Forces still devotes specialist resources to finding infiltration tunnels, though tunnels are much less significant now that North Korean long-range artillery and missiles have become more effective.[8]
They're living the moleman dream.

 

>>1621
what Hezbollah does in their stretch of territory is even more impressive, they have veritable fucking fortresses built underground across the entirety of Southern Lebanon. i think more and more people are gonna realize that 2006 Lebanon war was the first conflict that would indicate how 21st century conventional shit might play out, even though it was extremely limited in scope. It´s very similar to the Viet Cong underground battle tunnels.

 

>>1028
What is the viability of using shorthandle shovels from the hardware store to dig a fighting position? I've used one to dig fire pits and the like but it seems a little bulky to carry around on a pack
>>1226
/k/ really sucks now, but it's fun to troll on there

 

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Throw this into Desmos to calculate Tunnel Size.

 

What's the best way to support a tunnel? I'm talking sandy ground here, should I put up plywood at the top or will it keep itself stable at some depth?

 

>>2411
The easiest way to make a tunnel is to bury drainage culverts.

 

>>2412
I guess, good call. Could be hard to do if it's not a trench dig. Could buy some cheapo metal pipes and cut them in half maybe, bring them in as parts and weld them together inside.

 

>>2411
First, get a license for building tunnels, otherwise feds will get mad or/and the tunnel will collapse, wood works fine, although we aren’t XIX century Asturian miners, so steel is better

 

>>2420
Glad I don't live in a federation. I'm thinking about doing it this secluded area, it's near (few kilometers away) a highway but the road and trails leading to it aren't even on a map since they were cut for logging before they started to pay attention to them. I checked all the hiking sites and no one has come within a few dozen kms of it, even went on a bike ride there on a few days and nobody was around. I guess I will try to tank as much information on tunnel digging from books (and take a course of some kind of digging related thing if possible), also thinking it'll propably need a tarp around the top for extra protection of the metal.

 



Damn, we had a fort like this as kids. We dug a big trench, put crossbeams then scrap plywood then plastic tarp, then ripped pieces of lawns from people's yards and put them on top. Stealth bros. Filled it with pieces of carpet and old cushions. So good, just a really homely pneumonia trap.

I would honestly love to build a better one today. There are pictures of some recently built hobbit holes online. They looked really nice tbh, they were excavated into the side of a hill. Totally liveable.

 

>>2421
Breaking dirt: High Pressure Water & Metal Teeth
Moving dirt: Conveyor
Disposing of dirt: You will have to dispose of alot of dirt. Make a plan.

 


 

>>2424
Don't think I'll have a conveyor out in the woods, maybe a pulley system with buckets could do. Dump it in the local creek on a few km stretch should hide the evidence, or make a trail to some hole I've seen there. Will have to buy a cart in any case.
>>2427
Thanks. I don't think mine will be as big as the figures have :(

 

Microtunnel boring machines can tunnel up to 60 feet an hour and if you don't mind crouching, they would be great for a tunnel network. Instead of crouching, you could install mine carts in the tunnels, that would be based.

They're as cheap as $45,000 on Alibaba, but that probably doesn't include everything to run it. Others are about $100,000, which isn't bad if you're sharing it with a group of people.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1500mm-microtunnel-boring-machine-tuneladora-tbm_1600503048843.html
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Tunnel-Boring-Pipe-Jacking-Machine-for_1600451356252.html

 

>>2442
Hello, tech guy here. I had a professor tell us about surprise expenses in a Information Systems Course.

The surprise expenses:
1. Manuals and Training
2. Replacement parts
3. Upgrades that you did not think you would need.
4. More cooling and storage than expected.

 

>>2442
Easier and cheaper to hire immigrants

 

>>2444
Paperwork, paper trail, people that talk while drunk, more foot traffic.

 

>>2445
Just hire them like any sane person does, paperless labor saves the enviroment. I would imagine a boring machine would have about the same effect as well, even if nobody talks the chances of you getting on a list increase.

 

>>2446
Just register Jojo's boring company you'll be fine

 

>>2447
Could be good in a country with lots of subsidies actually

 

The shovel is eternal

 

Anyone got any suggestions for burying weapon and supply caches so dogs and detectors cant find them. Im talking forest not backyard.

 

>>2847
Bury them far away, do you think dogs and detectors can magically detect stuff buried months/years ago

 

>>2847
Your biggest concern is going to be moisture.

 

>>2847
Over 6 feet deep is a base requirement for animal seekers, that's the reason corpses are buried at 6ft, originally, so that critters can't smell 'em to unbury them.

 

>>2848
well there's detectors that can literally tell you what's under the ground so potentially yes.

 

>>2851
Why would people be sweeping this area specifically? But yeah GPR can go pretty deep.

 

>>2843
based

 

>>2847
yes, vietcongs would often put entrances to their tunnels in pig pens since the pig feces would cover up the scent of humans and confuse the american detector dogs

 

>>2847
Obviously depends on the detector. I'd assume a lot can probably be solved with adequate sealing and avoiding (various types of) metals.

 

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>>4035
broke: Ukraine war is just like WW2
woke: Ukraine war is just like WW1

 

>>4036
bespoke: war never changes

 

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>>1028
With only one or two people you're gonna need full size pickaxe and shovels. The little infantry shovels are only useful for carrying in a kit. Only really viable when you have military unit sized groups. You know dozens of dudes all digging at the same time.

One modern anecdote I'll say is I've seen in Ukraine that both sides use the "spam can" ammunition tins as containers. They put them into little dugout shelves. Also have seen whole firing positions built out of ammo cans filled with dirt. Stuff like that is only really doable in wartime measures. I do find it interesting tactic though.

 

>>4036
this is probably a better comparison
ended at a standstill almost immediately
literal trench warfare with thousands upon thousands turned into mincemeat just to secure a kilometre of land
constant accusations of backstabbing
weird dehumanization propaganda

 

>>4072
>[Russia-Ukraine war] ended at a standstill almost immediately
not really in

 

>>4035
More details on how Russia attacked from underground at Avdeevka
https://southfront.press/surprise-from-underground-in-avdeevka/

 

>>4411
>44 11
Checked for based Russian /mole/

 

>Be a billionaire
>Start looking around anxiously
>My fellow people, I will create a hyperloop for the good of mankind
>I will need to create and buy tunnel boring technology to create this hyperloop
>I will also need to create a company to bore these large tunnels
>Yes these large tunnels could also function as billionaire bunkers
>Look over there!

 


 

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https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/project-iceworm-americas-secret-nuke-tunnels-beneath-greenlands-ice/

Basically an immense underground complex in Greenland ice to be able to launch nukes at the USSR. Reminds me of the USSR's subterranean submarine bases and the Underground Nuclear Tank.

 

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Revive this thread

 


 

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>>5177
Newest Tunneler shenanigans in New York

https://t.me/Suriyak_maps/3211

 

>>5216
>>5177
>>4035
>I am an orc and I'm digging a hole
>Diggy diggy hole
>Hohol piggy hole


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