So fascists are becoming reckless in my city and although I'm now terminally online enough to not get in those stupid fights anymore they since recently keep doing those retarded flash attacks on places leftists have. My old father sometimes does the dude at the counter ready to receive anyone in an anarchist library which was attacked like two days ago and there's no way I'm letting him keep doing that without any protection so I'm getting him weapons, but legal and non lethal. Since the fucks attacking come in between 5 and 20 people I want to get him a big ass pepper spray but the legal limit is 100ml here.
So is it sufficient to push away a cowardly rightist gang probably drunk? Are there any tricks to deter relatively big groups of retarded people without hurting anyone too much for a smart average joe using non lethal and legal weapon?
Also thread to discuss those weapons I guess.
>>1701We don't know if this guy is a burger or not. Maybe pepper spray is the strongest stuff available in his country.
Why don't you just wait for them and then jump them with more guys?
>>1701>>1702Country is west European. Police is on their side now and they exchange information but they pull guns it becomes another story; because although I somewhat respect the discipline of the average active right winger to go the gym compared to anarcho hippies or somebody like me they really can't organize for shit and aren't in any position to just murder people with guns. Like I said it's more like a retarded drunk mob thing. I'm just afraid those shit flash attacks will eventually end up with people hurt badly or dead, and leftists can't exactly organize rapid response teams or something like that here even if I'd put a lot of bets on the local antifa collecting intel and preparing a big and violent response to put fear in those fucks.
Anyway tomorrow I shall receive a fat gel teargas sprayer and after a test/training I'll give it to the library my father works on so they can respond in case of an attack.
>>1713More likely to attract attention that way. In some cases good, in others bad.
Also:
>>1714> Like I said it's more like a retarded drunk mob thing.You could make teagas smoke grenades.
>>1716>>1717Damn this was super interesting, coolest boomer.
I'm gonna make some of these, just have to find where to peacefully buy potassium nitrate.
But smoke bombs are extremely situational, particularly with a long fuse you have to light. If shit's going down rapidly it's not something really usable, although I'd see this in a defense of a building/position a relatively well organized group of defenders know well and the attackers not. No idea how to make it tear but then again doing that you better hope to have masks ready to go, and then it becomes even more situational and dependent on training and gear.
>>1719also
>No idea how to make it tearSpray pepperspray in the wax. The fact the wax is being turned to thick smoke means it's being just barely burned and then ejected by the black-powder like reaction of the KNO3 making high pressure gas that forces it out of the compound.
This means you'll get small amounts of unburned pepperspray in the smoke on the wax droplets that then rapidly disperses thanks to being aerosolized.
>>1726>>1725In terms of a small-scale one you can liquefy butane in a standard consumer freezer (boiling/condensation point 0C) and then mix it into gasoline and put it in a glass bottle with a screw lid and some PTFE tape around the screw. When it's brought back up to temperature, the butane is still kept liquid by pressure (partial pressure @20C = 1atm-ish) which is low enough to be contained by near any standard glass bottle but high enough and well-mixed in with fuel to atomize the gasoline.
>>1727>Damn that sucks, fast how?i mean the people who tested them were made miserable by their own devices a lot faster than they anticipated. A lot of the oils vaporize more quickly than they expected and went further than the visible smoke cloud. I don't have any info on longevity for any of these.
>>1728Respect for the knowledge but not the thread to discuss molotovs, pipe bombs and thermobaric weapons, pretty sure those can be extremely lethal. Let's stay on devices that (are meant to) only superficially hurt people here, if you will.
>people who tested them were made miserable by their own devices a lot faster than they anticipatedSo unless you make your smoke bomb and use it in the days after it goes bad? Not something you can keep stashed for defense then, I guess you can fabricate them just before a planned protest you know will turn into a riot. It could fuck up the organization of cops with a lot of them thrown at the same time for example.
>>1729No, I mean I don't have any info on the storage of them and you'll have to do that yourself. I guess I could try stashing some.
I mean they're more effective than you expect when you use them. I don't know the expiration date on such a composite. POtassium and wax
likely won't go bad anytime soon if they're sealed alright, I would expect the main enemy would be the usual suspects of things like water. If you're worried about it you could probably bake your ingredients and cool them in a silica-lined chamber to dry them thoroughly, mix, seal, and store in a dry chamber.
>>1730>bake your ingredients and cool them in a silica-lined chamber to dry them thoroughly, mix, seal, and store in a dry chamberI honestly have no idea of how that goes, and it's somewhat contradictory with what I understood, the tech ingredient dude precisely said you don't want to bake your sugar for example.
>>1731Thanks I can buy on the internet but I'd rather not, I'll ask up my friends involved in landscaping
>>1732Nice thought but impractical. You prepare something in advance far from your freezer and your balls won't be frozen. You want to react to a particular situation and you can't exactly tell the fucks assaulting you to wait until you grab your balls and put them in your rifle.
>>1736>Nice thought but impractical. You prepare something in advance far from your freezer and your balls won't be frozen. You want to react to a particular situation and you can't exactly tell the fucks assaulting you to wait until you grab your balls and put them in your rifle.Marbles work too see:
>>1734Ball bearings might be best. No chance of shattering inside your gun.
Just find ones the same size as the intended paintballs for your gun.
>>1736>>1736let me re-check.
baking is either a really good or really bad thing in a lot of chemistry for longevity and i haven't watched this vid all the way through in a while
>>1741So I'm OP and the really big problem is that the cops and the fascists who do the attacks are extremely close. Even though there is a somewhat independent justice and a few lawyers among us, pigs have been and could charge people who defend themselves illegally, hence the need to walk this fine line of legality when using violence in self defense.
Like if you're a random dude who kill an intruder in your house with a rifle you possess illegally they'll most likely will let you go, but if you're a radical leftist who broke a fascist arm because him and tens of his friends jumped you it's not gonna go very well for you in case you end up at the precinct.
>>1743> a few lawyers among usuhh talk to them.
https://www.amazing1.com/ultrasonics.htmlHere's a ready made one of those sound devices.
https://shop.pepperball.com/Pepperballs.
You should figure out what ready made stuff is out there for you to buy in your country.
But yeah talk to the lawyers about what you can do legally. Maybe take video evidence of the harassment. I don't imagine it can look good for them if they are coming to your place multiple times and harassing you.
>>1744It's interesting but impractical. Cost too much, would get stolen, needs activation at the good time etc.
>>1745>uhh talk to them.I'm not talking to anyone, yet. I'm researching what's possible and practical by having a nice discussion with anonymous comrades. Btw like I said, I had my share of fights and I don't hang out with leftists anymore, just want to protect my father who does and learn stuff on the side.
>>1719NaNO3 is sometimes easier to get than KNO3 and you can turn the former into the latter using metathesis with KCl from low sodium salt
https://www.pyrogarage.pl/ sells KNO3 in Europe
t. /chem/ on
>>>/edu/also may I suggest picrel but with a not too sharp wooden tip
>>1724Taoe sparklers to bottles with a screw cap, that will make it storable.For thermobarics, flashpowder squib taped to plastic bottle. Put matchheads on the fuse and tape a striker pad to your glove or wear it as a necklace so you can just strike them without lighters.
>>1741Make a simple large firecracker of a smaller diameter than a toilet paper tube, pit it in and fill the gap with pieces of tire or other hard rubber. Again, matches on fuse, strike, throw and theres a homemeade stingball.
>>1752I may or may not have one buried somewhere. The pepper blanks need a special license but if you have street connections will get you far. The guns will be confiscated if found, even though you can buy them without a license. Weird country, weird laws.
You can make battery powered one shot pistols with a piece of curved pipe. Loaded with rock salt. Easy to conceal and only a misdemeanor if discovered. If you are doing a funny ticking clock thing only do a small cardboard tube charge and use it to blow a box filled with bags or baloons of red paint. And always remember. Fascist clubs and cars arent immune to a plastic gas bottle tied to a flare, made in a sterile room with full surgical protection. The window gets smashed with a rock and the device is thrown in, the thrower runs several blocks while constantly making turns and shortccuts, the outer layer of winter clothing is taken of and thrown into a pre-placed plastic tub of bleach, and the thrower then blends in and goes home. Glives over gloves will block gunshot residue and they are discarded on the spot because they dont have dna and have only been touched by another glove. Everything prepared is cleaned with bleach and never touched with bare hands. The throwers hair is tucked under a swimming cap so no hairs are left. Shoes used are cheap and are burned or discarded far away after the action. Touch dna, fingerprints,hair,shoeprints all exist. All of this is educational and whoever follows it is a fool that risks jail and other peoples safety. Be careful of what you decide to listen to on the internet. All of those actions are illegal and should never be performed.
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