No.3236
A Revolver, though often thought of as outdated, has several advantages for the casual gun owner/user.
1 - Catches brass. The shells aren't ejected, as often happens with semi autos on to your face and arms.
2 - Doesn't need as much maintenance. Semi autos have to periodically be field stripped, cleaned, oiled, and have parts such as recoil assemblies replaced. A revolver generally does, maybe just clean the cylinder and pull a rag through the barrel.
3 - Reliability. People claim semi autos are as reliable as revolvers nowdays, however this is with two huge caveats, one, that its not a cheap budget semi like a taurus (and a taurus revolver like the 856 is much much more reliable than its semi auto offerings like the g2s for example) and two, semi automatics have a much higher rate of routine non catastrophic failures like failure to feed/eject/cycle. These have to be resolved (by ejecting mag, pulling slide to get rid of the bullet/casing, then inserting/re-inserting the mag) which takes time meanwhile if a revolver has a light strike all you need to do is pull the trigger again. Not to mention, that improper shooting stance (i.e. 'limp wristing') can increase the likelihood of a FTE and in an actual real world scenario you may not have time to get into a proper two handed firm grip isosceles stance, you may have to fire one handed or from an awkward position/angle. With something like the aforementioned Taurus G2S that is virtually 100% guaranteed to give you a FTE after 1-2 rounds.
4 - Heavy trigger. There is usually no manual safety on a revolver but it does have a heavy 9-12+ pound trigger which is almost literally impossible to pull by accident, it's so heavy it usually even requires a slightly different finger position than the hair trigger on a G19, if someone wants to "appendix carry" id rather they do it with a double action revolver than a G19.
The only major downside of a revolver is capacity. That's huge but for self defense you really don't need 17 rounds since most times you will only require 1-3 round on average since even one well placed bullet kills an attacker.
Bottom line is semi auto pistols need to be actively maintained while revolvers do not. If I don't shoot a semi auto pistol for a few months then the oil will evaporate and it will start to jam sometimes with under 150 or so rounds at the range requiring me to field strip and re-oil it right there. That's not good in an actual defense situation.
If you ask me what I actually trust I would trust 6 rounds of 38 special out of a revolver, whether its in a pocket, IWB appendix holster, or in granny's dresser.
If you want something better than that for the purposes lefties think you should have a gun i.e. working class uprising then you want a rifle anyway. I own semi auto pistols but mostly shoot them at the range for fun, I usually wouldn't carry one for self defense unless I really believe I'm going to need 17 rounds, but maybe if that's the case just don't go to that kind of dangerous area to begin with, if you can help it.
No.3237
1: brass catcher
2: a revolver is simpler design with less features than something like a semi-auto, the trade off is that semi-autos sometimes are messier or harder to clean like you say. Some semi-autos are cleaner or easier to strip and clear and clean and maintain than others. A revolver in this sense might be more preferable. There is some other firearms in between these two niches as well.
>3 - Reliability. People claim semi autos are as reliable as revolvers nowdays, however this is with two huge caveats, one, that its not a cheap budget semi like a taurus (and a taurus revolver like the 856 is much much more reliable than its semi auto offerings like the g2s for example) and two, semi automatics have a much higher rate of routine non catastrophic failures like failure to feed/eject/cycle. These have to be resolved (by ejecting mag, pulling slide to get rid of the bullet/casing, then inserting/re-inserting the mag) which takes time meanwhile
Can you share a source for the stats on this comparison? Also I think in most places, aside from maybe some parts of muric that have a glut of revolvers compared to semis on the market, you can get a decent semit-auto for the same price as a decent revolver.
>If a revolver has a light strike all you need to do is pull the trigger again.
What about other mechanical problems?
>Not to mention, that improper shooting stance (i.e. 'limp wristing') can increase the likelihood of a FTE and in an actual real world scenario you may not have time to get into a proper two handed firm grip isosceles stance, you may have to fire one handed or from an awkward position/angle. With something like the aforementioned Taurus G2S that is virtually 100% guaranteed to give you a FTE after 1-2 rounds.
Sometimes revolvers have worse recoil than semis in the same caliber no? For larger calibers improper position with either could break your wrist. Larger caliber revolvers can be less safe, with the pressure generated out the sides of the chamber being able to burn or blow off a person's fingers if they are on it when the cartridge detonates, this is oftentimes a problem for noobs.
4: the heavy trigger can be a downside in many cases and a safety lever is generally more reliable than just depending on a heavy trigger
>The only major downside of a revolver is capacity. That's huge but for self defense you really don't need 17 rounds since most times you will only require 1-3 round on average since even one well placed bullet kills an attacker.
They also can be harder to operate. They can be harder to shoot as quickly. To my knowledge they can be less accurate, especially for users with weak or fatigued fingers, they usually don't have the same level of support for attachments, they are sometimes heavier, they are sometimes bulkier and wider. The low mag capacity itself can prove problematic in many self defense situations, reloading would take much longer especially under stress. Often times more ammo selection.
No.3238
>then you want a rifle anyway
If you need a side arm as a rifleman then you might want a very lightweight semi pistol. For non rifleman specialist or crew that doesn't need that rifle but still needs to defend from CQB then you would want a PDW or SMG. Both in whatever decent pistol cartridge is most available in your region/org with some few exceptations such as in ex soviet countries and elsewhere there may be 5.45x39 and AKSU/AK carbines which make for a decent low recoil heavy/medium smg and use the same ammo as the infantry rifles there so probably simplify supply logistics. 5.56 NATO, 7.62x39 and other regional infantry rifle cartridges produce too Much recoil and weigh too much to use for subgun or pdw purposes for these roles though.
No.3239
>>3237>Can you share a source for the stats on this comparison? Also I think in most places, aside from maybe some parts of muric that have a glut of revolvers compared to semis on the market, you can get a decent semit-auto for the same price as a decent revolver. in most cases the semi auto is cheaper due to being made out of polymer and not steel or scandium.
>What about other mechanical problems?same procedure. Any non catastrophic malfunction in a revolver is resolved the exact way by just pulling the trigger again.
> For larger calibers improper position with either could break your wrist.thats for REALLY huge calibers like 44 magnum, S&W 500 etc. Which are an overkill and would over-penetrate any human. Unless you are hunting alaska 1400 lb kodiak bears anything over 357 magnum or even 38 special +P is an overkill. you're killing like 3 people in back of your target.
A revolver is typically more accurate than a semi at longer distances due to the barrel being a fixed part of the frame rather than floating as an independent part of the gun as it is in a semi auto. However this doesn't apply or matter inside 15 yards anyway and is more for competition shooting.
The points about lack of attachments and being heavier are valid though. Personally I think heavyness can be a double edged sword since heavier guns have less recoil.
I agree that a QUALITY 9mm handgun like a glock 19 is better in most situations but IMO a revolver is still better for people who only have 1 gun and don't want to practice that much or take the time to maintain their firearms.
No.3246
>>3239>A revolver is typically more accurate than a semi at longer distances due to the barrel being a fixed part of the frame rather than floating as an independent part of the gun as it is in a semi auto. However this doesn't apply or matter inside 15 yards anyway and is more for competition shooting.Does that not lead to more barrel sway with the revolver?
No.3251
>the hair trigger on a G19
okay you had me until this hahah
No.3254
>>3253they sort of did do that with the top break revolvers of the late 19th century although those eject the rounds instead of the cylinder the problem is it made the frame too weak to shoot heavier rounds without damage.
>>3251the trigger on most semi autos in indeed a "hair trigger" compared with a old school double action revolver.
>>3246not really because its not like the semi autos barrel stays fixed on the target it loosely moves around inside the gun itself, although this isn't that big of a deal in most cases.
No.3257
I do not care for revolvers. They insist on themselves
No.3380
I want one of those 1970s TV detective snub nose 38 specials. What do? Where do I find one? Something simple and classic.
No.3381
>>3380are you a burger? cuz then you can literally buy one at any gun store.
ex:
https://rangeusa.com/product-category-group/revolverssort by ammo type "38 special".
something like a rock island m200/m206 should run around $250 and something slightly higher quality like charter arms/taurus should run around $300-$350. Check your local gunstore or gunshop. Highest quality would ruger or smith and wesson(best). Which is likely to be $400-$700.
IMO something like a Taurus 856 would be a pretty good bang for your buck. 6 rounds of 38 special. There's a variety of grip types(wood/rubber) and black/stainless finish types. Pretty reliable and doesn't break the bank.
No.3382
>>3380one thing id recommend is to, if you want to use it as an actual practical self defense tool, to stay away from the old west style wooden grips and the ones with too much of a space between the trigger guard and the handle. I'd go with more modern and comfortable rubber grips on a model that is long enough to let you wrap three fingers around the handle to increase shootability. I have a S&W 442 that i replace the standard grips with a rubberized hogue grip and the difference is night and day in terms of shootability while adding to the length a slight bit so less concealable but still worth it IMO.
No.3384
>>3381Am burger. Haven’t set aside the 300 bux to actually shop with real intent.
>>3382Wood handles all the way. Aesthetic is king. It needs to match my enfield.
No.3385
>>33836 rounds is more than enough to kill anything that moves
No.3387
I already have a 38 special and im thinking of getting a 357 magnum as well.
No.3388
Okay revolverboy, have you ever shot a Model 66? I’m thinking of getting one.
No.3390
>>3253You can do this with a Remington 1858, vid related at 0:37, it's Clint Eastwood showing the move.
They designed it this way because reloading black powder revolvers is pretty slow to do correctly, especially when inexperienced, first you have to put more or less 1g of powder into a chamber, then put a ball over it with the help of a lever system integrated into the gun, then fill the chamber with grease and perhaps wax too, to keep the ball safely in place and avoid any accidental ignition when firing later. Rinse and repeat 5 times.
I recently got interested in cap and ball revolvers only because they don't require any license to buy in my country, and they seem pretty fun to use. It's a simple good old mechanism using relatively basic components, but a good one can be almost as powerful and precise as a modern 9mm gun.
Only problem is that I don't live in the countryside and I've heard black powder is quite loud, so I don't know where I could shoot one in peace except at an expensive shooting club (and I'm not even sure if I want to really possess a firearm anyway, but that's not the subject of this thread).
No.3391
>>3388Taurus or Smith and Wesson? either way No - but I'm also thinking of getting one so if you do update people here so we can find out
No.3505
>>3498thats because .45 acp is a bigger round and a 1911 was way less reliable than a comparable revolver. Even today 1911s require you to clean them after like 150 rounds. its metal on metal and you need a fuck ton of oil to make it work
No.3623
>>3253>Why didn't they make a revolver where you can pop out the whole cylinder to reload the way you do with a magazine in an automaticmoonclips are easier and lighter
No.3624
>>3236You didn't mention that with a semi auto their is a risk when you press it on anything it may fail to cycle. For example if you try to shoot a semi from your pocket it might not cycle whereas a revolver doesn't have this problem.
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