No.3451
Do militaries use them anymore?
No.3452
>>3451I think their use is considered a war crime
They're not called trench sweepers for nothing
No.3453
the range of shotguns is still quite limited. recommended hunting ranges are no longer than 30 meters or so. maybe with a rifled barrel, slug and scope you can do a bit better
No.3454
>>3451yes, the US marines often use something like a Benelli M4 or Mossberg 500/590, and if not that they have a shotgun attachment to their assault rifle like a M26 MASS
>>3453A slug out of a rifled barrel can be accurate up to like 200 yards. Even basic buckshot can reach like 40 yards.
Plus there are the meme lords (ex: 'heavy hitter' explosive slugs).
No.3456
>>3454In what situations would they(shotguns and attachments) be used? Modern trench warfare like in the Ukrainian war?
No.3457
>>3456urban enviroments where you need to be able to blow a locked door off the hinges and then kill who ever is behind the door
No.3458
>>3456also trench warfare seems more or less being done with automatic fire and nade spam + drones/arty in the russo/ukraine war; the shotgun is pretty rendunant in the sense of that specific war but I imagine if it was being waged in a more guerilla enviroment where the opfor is mixed in with the populace, shotguns would likely find a niche as the room sweeper.
No.3459
If ur brokie like me, consider the Mossberg Maverick 88, its 200-300 USD
Here's a test of it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-9OL7IquoIo&t=1042s No.3460
People often sleep on the shotty as an anti-materiel weapon, but they can be quite effective at breaching and other similar functions. The huge variety of ammunition and the ability to load different types of rounds with ease makes the shotgun extremely versatile as a specialist weapon and a valuable addition to most squads, as long as the particulars of its niche are respected.
It's also simple to use and maintain in most cases, as well as often having solid compatibility between types of the same bore, as well as being widely owned compared to other types of long guns like automatic rifles. These factors make the shotgun a no-brainer addition to guerilla forces, especially in an urban environment where the specialist capacities of the shotgun shine. In a pinch it's also a great hunting weapon, which can help ease the supply burden of a unit staged in the wilderness (such as a revolutionary army fighting a protracted people's war).
No.3499
one problem is a shotgun is that it has a huge recoil which can easily bruise your shoulder. A smaller person including most women will have a hard time handling the recoil of a 12 gauge without pain.
No.3500
>>3457there are special breaching rounds for that as well - dont use buckshot etc as it will ricochet, use the designed door breaching rounds.
No.3501
>>3458shotty is probably more useful in CQB and other really close urban combat. the point man in a swat/hostage rescue team for example often uses a shotgun.
No.3503
>>3501in a larger scale war though not so much; if you look at the russo/ukraine war the solution to clearing a house isnt to blow the doors off the hinges, its to blow the entire wall off the house instead.
No.3504
>>3503yes but thats leaving the realm of small arms altogether.
No.3506
>>3502yes but right in the shoulder still hurts a ton you need to move it more on your pectoral muscle than right where your arm meets the torso. Also depending on dimensions of body a cheek riser aka making the stock taller so you can lean your face on it to aim it, may be necessary
No.3508
>>3504yeah for sure; for non-military or urban combat though still has its place; its more or less about over-penetration and if that would be deseriable or not; a shotgun isnt going to carry through multiple layers of wall.
No.3509
>>3508actually in burgerland every gun goes through multiple layers of wall because its drywall. a BB/pellet gun even goes through them. Unless you're in one of the few places made out of brick or a commercial building made out of concrete.
No.3510
>>3508also guerillas will likely not have access to things like close air support, mortars/artillary/missiles or even explosives compared with a standard state sponsored military.
No.3511
>>3510true
>>3509is that why burgers so often catch a stray while sleeping?
No.3512
>>3511>is that why burgers so often catch a stray while sleeping?yep. in 1980s/90s los angeles it wasn't uncommon for people to sleep in their bathtubs due to stray bullets
No.3526
>>3509iirc many bullets will literally start to break up after hitting a single sheet of drywall. I don't think what anon is claiming is accurate
t. vague rememberer
No.3671
Shotguns are obsolete garbage. Their only practical use in the modern day is shooting out door hinges and hunting birds.
Get an AR folks, it's good for you.
No.3672
>>3451I'm pretty sure the main weapon the us navy trains with is their pistol and a shottie. I could be wrong however.
No.3674
>>3671I agree that rifles are generally more useful but that doesn't mean shotguns are useless
No.3692
>>3675what's the deal with burgers and muh home defense?
No.3698
>>3693what the hell does that mean? that doesn't answer my question
No.3699
>>3698It's a joke, the implication is that if you "come" and enter their home, they will shoot you.
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