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/AKM/ - Guns, weapons and the art of war.

"War can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun." - Chairman Mao
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>A shotgun (also known as a scattergun, or historically as a fowling piece) is a long-barreled firearm designed to shoot a straight-walled cartridge known as a shotshell, which usually discharges numerous small pellet-like spherical sub-projectiles called shot, or sometimes a single solid projectile called a slug. Shotguns are most commonly smoothbore firearms, meaning that their gun barrels have no rifling on the inner wall, but rifled barrels for shooting slugs (slug barrels) are also available.

The shotgun is thought of as being an extremely basic firearm but it is also very versatile and powerful. It can shoot loads that allow you to hunt small game, large game, from birdshot to buckshot, to even rifled slugs that basically turn your shotgun into a rifle, also works good for home defense and even military applications (think WW1 trench guns).

People have a misleading sense of how much spread shotguns have especially in video games where they magically become ineffective after 10 feet meanwhile in real life hunters regularly kill animals with buckshot at far greater distances.

Do militaries use them anymore?

>>3451
I think their use is considered a war crime
They're not called trench sweepers for nothing

the range of shotguns is still quite limited. recommended hunting ranges are no longer than 30 meters or so. maybe with a rifled barrel, slug and scope you can do a bit better

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>>3451
yes, the US marines often use something like a Benelli M4 or Mossberg 500/590, and if not that they have a shotgun attachment to their assault rifle like a M26 MASS
>>3453
A slug out of a rifled barrel can be accurate up to like 200 yards. Even basic buckshot can reach like 40 yards.

Plus there are the meme lords (ex: 'heavy hitter' explosive slugs).

>>3454
meme LOADS*

>>3454
In what situations would they(shotguns and attachments) be used? Modern trench warfare like in the Ukrainian war?

>>3456
urban enviroments where you need to be able to blow a locked door off the hinges and then kill who ever is behind the door

>>3456
also trench warfare seems more or less being done with automatic fire and nade spam + drones/arty in the russo/ukraine war; the shotgun is pretty rendunant in the sense of that specific war but I imagine if it was being waged in a more guerilla enviroment where the opfor is mixed in with the populace, shotguns would likely find a niche as the room sweeper.

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If ur brokie like me, consider the Mossberg Maverick 88, its 200-300 USD

Here's a test of it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-9OL7IquoIo&t=1042s

People often sleep on the shotty as an anti-materiel weapon, but they can be quite effective at breaching and other similar functions. The huge variety of ammunition and the ability to load different types of rounds with ease makes the shotgun extremely versatile as a specialist weapon and a valuable addition to most squads, as long as the particulars of its niche are respected.

It's also simple to use and maintain in most cases, as well as often having solid compatibility between types of the same bore, as well as being widely owned compared to other types of long guns like automatic rifles. These factors make the shotgun a no-brainer addition to guerilla forces, especially in an urban environment where the specialist capacities of the shotgun shine. In a pinch it's also a great hunting weapon, which can help ease the supply burden of a unit staged in the wilderness (such as a revolutionary army fighting a protracted people's war).

one problem is a shotgun is that it has a huge recoil which can easily bruise your shoulder. A smaller person including most women will have a hard time handling the recoil of a 12 gauge without pain.

>>3457
there are special breaching rounds for that as well - dont use buckshot etc as it will ricochet, use the designed door breaching rounds.

>>3458
shotty is probably more useful in CQB and other really close urban combat. the point man in a swat/hostage rescue team for example often uses a shotgun.

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>>3499
This is mostly a problem of people not using it correctly. The stock is supposed to be pressed against your shoulder not hovering in front of it. If you fire in the correct position the recoil transfers efficiently to your torso and you just lean back some. What people do wrong is hold the stock in front of their shoulder, which causes the gun to jump back and smack their shoulder, which only puts it in contact for a moment and concentrates the force there, causing bruising or injury.

>>3501
in a larger scale war though not so much; if you look at the russo/ukraine war the solution to clearing a house isnt to blow the doors off the hinges, its to blow the entire wall off the house instead.

>>3503
yes but thats leaving the realm of small arms altogether.

>>3502
yes but right in the shoulder still hurts a ton you need to move it more on your pectoral muscle than right where your arm meets the torso. Also depending on dimensions of body a cheek riser aka making the stock taller so you can lean your face on it to aim it, may be necessary

>>3504
yeah for sure; for non-military or urban combat though still has its place; its more or less about over-penetration and if that would be deseriable or not; a shotgun isnt going to carry through multiple layers of wall.

>>3508
actually in burgerland every gun goes through multiple layers of wall because its drywall. a BB/pellet gun even goes through them. Unless you're in one of the few places made out of brick or a commercial building made out of concrete.

>>3508
also guerillas will likely not have access to things like close air support, mortars/artillary/missiles or even explosives compared with a standard state sponsored military.

>>3510
true

>>3509
is that why burgers so often catch a stray while sleeping?

>>3511
>is that why burgers so often catch a stray while sleeping?

yep. in 1980s/90s los angeles it wasn't uncommon for people to sleep in their bathtubs due to stray bullets

>>3509
iirc many bullets will literally start to break up after hitting a single sheet of drywall. I don't think what anon is claiming is accurate
t. vague rememberer

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>>3526

>>3526
not from a shotty, see vidrel

Shotguns are obsolete garbage. Their only practical use in the modern day is shooting out door hinges and hunting birds.

Get an AR folks, it's good for you.

>>3451
I'm pretty sure the main weapon the us navy trains with is their pistol and a shottie. I could be wrong however.

>>3671
I agree that rifles are generally more useful but that doesn't mean shotguns are useless

>>3671
>Shotguns are obsolete garbage. Their only practical use in the modern day is shooting out door hinges and hunting birds.
Fucking LOL, this is the logic Ritter used to walk around with his AR. Stupid as fuck tacticool nonsense that isn't necessary unless you're against similarly armed opponents or hitting people from long-range, which is a stupid thing to do in most situations, unless you're sniping.

>>3675
what's the deal with burgers and muh home defense?

>>3692
Come find out.

>>3693
what the hell does that mean? that doesn't answer my question

>>3698
It's a joke, the implication is that if you "come" and enter their home, they will shoot you.

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Refilling a shell
>The video does not show the exact parameters and names of the components. This is not a tutorial for making shotgun shells, it is a reconstruction of a museum rarity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAOoIrHdJ4Q

Video is by Drobashevich a Russian Shotgun channel
https://www.youtube.com/@DROBASHEVICH

>>3671
This is true. Ammo is expensive they are extremely difficult to use, unreliable, and heavy. They require far more training to use safely than any other category of firearm. Including handguns. Shotguns are for recreational shooting, not practical shooting.

>>5661
They only use them in the military and police for blowing off locks and hinges off, on doors.

>>5662
Not true at all. They are used for clearing tight buildings during warrant raids etc.

just throw a slug in there

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>>5662
In combat situations, they are used for clearing out trenches and rooms with buckshot.
It was also used for anti-drone and close-quarter battle situations.
But, yeah, they are not very useful in combat; they are only useful in specific situations.

>>3450
this picture of peter makes me laugh.


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