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/AKM/ - Guns, weapons and the art of war.

"War can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun." - Chairman Mao
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>A shotgun (also known as a scattergun, or historically as a fowling piece) is a long-barreled firearm designed to shoot a straight-walled cartridge known as a shotshell, which usually discharges numerous small pellet-like spherical sub-projectiles called shot, or sometimes a single solid projectile called a slug. Shotguns are most commonly smoothbore firearms, meaning that their gun barrels have no rifling on the inner wall, but rifled barrels for shooting slugs (slug barrels) are also available.

The shotgun is thought of as being an extremely basic firearm but it is also very versatile and powerful. It can shoot loads that allow you to hunt small game, large game, from birdshot to buckshot, to even rifled slugs that basically turn your shotgun into a rifle, also works good for home defense and even military applications (think WW1 trench guns).

People have a misleading sense of how much spread shotguns have especially in video games where they magically become ineffective after 10 feet meanwhile in real life hunters regularly kill animals with buckshot at far greater distances.


Do militaries use them anymore?


I think their use is considered a war crime
They're not called trench sweepers for nothing


the range of shotguns is still quite limited. recommended hunting ranges are no longer than 30 meters or so. maybe with a rifled barrel, slug and scope you can do a bit better


yes, the US marines often use something like a Benelli M4 or Mossberg 500/590, and if not that they have a shotgun attachment to their assault rifle like a M26 MASS
A slug out of a rifled barrel can be accurate up to like 200 yards. Even basic buckshot can reach like 40 yards.

Plus there are the meme lords (ex: 'heavy hitter' explosive slugs).


meme LOADS*


In what situations would they(shotguns and attachments) be used? Modern trench warfare like in the Ukrainian war?


urban enviroments where you need to be able to blow a locked door off the hinges and then kill who ever is behind the door


also trench warfare seems more or less being done with automatic fire and nade spam + drones/arty in the russo/ukraine war; the shotgun is pretty rendunant in the sense of that specific war but I imagine if it was being waged in a more guerilla enviroment where the opfor is mixed in with the populace, shotguns would likely find a niche as the room sweeper.


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People often sleep on the shotty as an anti-materiel weapon, but they can be quite effective at breaching and other similar functions. The huge variety of ammunition and the ability to load different types of rounds with ease makes the shotgun extremely versatile as a specialist weapon and a valuable addition to most squads, as long as the particulars of its niche are respected.

It's also simple to use and maintain in most cases, as well as often having solid compatibility between types of the same bore, as well as being widely owned compared to other types of long guns like automatic rifles. These factors make the shotgun a no-brainer addition to guerilla forces, especially in an urban environment where the specialist capacities of the shotgun shine. In a pinch it's also a great hunting weapon, which can help ease the supply burden of a unit staged in the wilderness (such as a revolutionary army fighting a protracted people's war).


one problem is a shotgun is that it has a huge recoil which can easily bruise your shoulder. A smaller person including most women will have a hard time handling the recoil of a 12 gauge without pain.


there are special breaching rounds for that as well - dont use buckshot etc as it will ricochet, use the designed door breaching rounds.


shotty is probably more useful in CQB and other really close urban combat. the point man in a swat/hostage rescue team for example often uses a shotgun.


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This is mostly a problem of people not using it correctly. The stock is supposed to be pressed against your shoulder not hovering in front of it. If you fire in the correct position the recoil transfers efficiently to your torso and you just lean back some. What people do wrong is hold the stock in front of their shoulder, which causes the gun to jump back and smack their shoulder, which only puts it in contact for a moment and concentrates the force there, causing bruising or injury.


in a larger scale war though not so much; if you look at the russo/ukraine war the solution to clearing a house isnt to blow the doors off the hinges, its to blow the entire wall off the house instead.


yes but thats leaving the realm of small arms altogether.


yes but right in the shoulder still hurts a ton you need to move it more on your pectoral muscle than right where your arm meets the torso. Also depending on dimensions of body a cheek riser aka making the stock taller so you can lean your face on it to aim it, may be necessary


yeah for sure; for non-military or urban combat though still has its place; its more or less about over-penetration and if that would be deseriable or not; a shotgun isnt going to carry through multiple layers of wall.


actually in burgerland every gun goes through multiple layers of wall because its drywall. a BB/pellet gun even goes through them. Unless you're in one of the few places made out of brick or a commercial building made out of concrete.


also guerillas will likely not have access to things like close air support, mortars/artillary/missiles or even explosives compared with a standard state sponsored military.



is that why burgers so often catch a stray while sleeping?


>is that why burgers so often catch a stray while sleeping?

yep. in 1980s/90s los angeles it wasn't uncommon for people to sleep in their bathtubs due to stray bullets


iirc many bullets will literally start to break up after hitting a single sheet of drywall. I don't think what anon is claiming is accurate
t. vague rememberer


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not from a shotty, see vidrel


Shotguns are obsolete garbage. Their only practical use in the modern day is shooting out door hinges and hunting birds.

Get an AR folks, it's good for you.


I'm pretty sure the main weapon the us navy trains with is their pistol and a shottie. I could be wrong however.


I agree that rifles are generally more useful but that doesn't mean shotguns are useless


>Shotguns are obsolete garbage. Their only practical use in the modern day is shooting out door hinges and hunting birds.
Fucking LOL, this is the logic Ritter used to walk around with his AR. Stupid as fuck tacticool nonsense that isn't necessary unless you're against similarly armed opponents or hitting people from long-range, which is a stupid thing to do in most situations, unless you're sniping.


what's the deal with burgers and muh home defense?


Come find out.


what the hell does that mean? that doesn't answer my question


It's a joke, the implication is that if you "come" and enter their home, they will shoot you.


Refilling a shell
>The video does not show the exact parameters and names of the components. This is not a tutorial for making shotgun shells, it is a reconstruction of a museum rarity.

Video is by Drobashevich a Russian Shotgun channel

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