Just finished this show and it has become one of my favorites. On the surface this anime appears to be trash anime packed full of fan service, but on watching it the so called "trash anime" is brimming with substance. excellent character design, badass soundtrack, and one of the satisfying endings I have seen in a long time. This show can make a scene of a butt naked woman running around killing enemy's with nothing but her toe nail feel empowering and not at all exploitative and fan servicey. What are your guys opinion on the show?
>>12102What was the point of it?
t. watched it a decade ago and despised every moment of it
>>12101>only females are subject to fan serviceWrong.
I also said specifically "molested" and "sexually harassed", not fanservice. Like when Ragyo molests Satsuki or Ryuko is harassed by her teacher and Mako's family.
I just remembered that at least Takarada is ass raped, and I'm not sure if Gamagori's BDSM show counts as a male equivalent.
>>12102This (except that I don't believe KLK had anything important to say, at all). I realized it when I went to a con and saw some weeb coomer wearing a T-shirt with pornographic Ryuko fanart on it.
Btw I don't think ME!ME!ME! had a "point", it was probably just done for the sake of degeneracy and the "message" was included only to make it edgy and unique and "deep", in my opinion. Even if it had any real message to tell, all the coomer shit in it completely removed the weight that message had.
>>12105here bro, this guy explains my thoughts on kill la kill quite well
it's a meta show, it subverts conventional anime expectations, it subverts ideas that are so commonly propagated through the anime industry by blasting the ideas to the max.
The sexual assault are both times committed by a woman, if it were a hentai, it would be a pretty standard hentai, but it's in a shounen with characters you care for, characters you wish well.
You're supposed to feel bad for wanting hypersexualization of women in anime.
>>12113Hohoho
I'd only ever heard of this animu in passing but having looked it up and watched the explained in OP I picked up on something
That main character is used as for reaction images by a lot of image board weebs presumably because she's their waifu and always those images have her dressed modestly
Following the argument of the vid this means that by doing so they turn all the gratuitous fanservice that is claimed to subvert by being so overt and continuous into the fleeting moment that fanservice requires to function
My sides are in orbit
>>12106>it subverts conventional anime expectations, it subverts ideas that are so commonly propagated through the anime industry by blasting the ideas to the max.It's not a subversion then.
>if it were a hentai, it would be a pretty standard hentai, but it's in a shounen with characters you care for, characters you wish well. Female characters being molested or sexually harassed in shonen is pretty common.
>>12107>one example there is a theme about defying fate (the life fibers being analog of the red thread of fate), an other is embracing the weirdness and incomprehensibility of people and life. Like when Ryūko learns to embrace the scantily clad Senketsu as her accepting the weirdness of the situation and a testament that she is willing to go through great lengths to achieve her goals.Yes, KLK did pretty obviously have those themes, but it doesn't mean that it had a deep message to tell. Those are common, if not generic, themes in anime as well, so that makes its supposed "message" all the more shallow.
>>12114>presumably because she's their waifu and always those images have her dressed modestlyI'm sure a lot of weebs fell in love with Ryuuko and that's why they prefer to see her dressed normal, but Ryuuko is a pretty cool character beyond the fanservice, and we do see her drawn in a non-sexualized way most of the time in the show, it makes sense that she's not sexualized in many of her reaction pictures.
>>12130Or maybe they just don't care about it?
>>12136>It's not a subversion then.shut up devils advocate
>Female characters being molested or sexually harassed in shonen is pretty common.yes, what's the difference between the dragon ball molestation scenes and the kill la kill molestation scenes?
>>12205If you mean the clash between Ryuuko and Satsuki, yes.
>Central to Egri's argument is his claim that the best stories follow the logical method of thesis, antithesis, synthesis, or dialectic, to prove what he calls a "premise." A premise, as Egri describes it, is a thematic truth. In The Art of Dramatic Writing he offers as an example the premise that "stinginess leads to ruin." Having settled on this theme, Egri writes, the playwright can detect in the statement the suggestion of a story's beginning, middle, and end: first, the establishment of an obsessively stingy character; next, the collision of that character's stinginess with inevitable opposition, or antithesis; and finally the character's ruin. Egri also emphasizes what he sees as the ever-present role of change in all forms of life, forcing people to evolve and synthesize new philosophies in the face of one overwhelming obstacle after another.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lajos_Egri >>12573>a literal socialist utopiayou got a peer-reviewed source for that chinlet?
i don't remember much of the anime because i watched it like 5 years ago
>>15251Ryuko isn't as edgy as Shadow and honestly is much less edgy than a lot of similar hard-assed anti-heroic anime protagonists
That said, I agree with
>>15253 >>15251Pretty much.
shadow is great so Ryuko is great too.
"Anime leftism" always boils down to "this titty anime made by people with a long history of loving tits is actually against enjoying tits" dick cage bullshit
>You're supposed to feel bad for wanting hypersexualization of women in anime.No you're not holy shit. No part of it implies this. Trigger are huge fans of fanservice, for both men and women. Why are you people so self hating? Why is orgasm self-denial treated as an integral part of class-based politics?
>it's too cartoony to be fappable >even if countless people find it fappable and cartoony exaggeration is common in drawn porn
>it's criticizing it because it's EXAGGERATING it!Yeah and Gurren is a criticism of super robot anime because it takes super robot tropes above and beyond? Is Panty & Stocking criticizing American cartoons? Fuck off with this shit.
>>12733Gurren is about "past and present coming together to create a path towards the future". Stealing robots and fusing them to create new robots is part of the show's statement on earned individuality, mirroring Simon's development and the pastiche nature of the show itself. You guys suck at understanding media.
>>15298I wasn't merely using equally silly made-up examples in my post above; I've seen people claim Gurren and Panty & Stocking are satirizing super robots and American cartoons respectively because "they're over the top and exaggerating anything means you think it's bad".
Why are Imaishi fans so fucking stupid. He makes good stuff.
YOU PEOPLE HAVE A BIG ANIME TITS THREAD WHO THE HELL ARE YOU FOOLING
>>12106>it subverted expectationsThat's right, Jay.
Taking things to its "logical endpoint" is referenced explicitly when Ryuko is fighting the computer guy by her saying "make a crazier attack even crazier and it will hit".
>>16220Why exactly do you think the left is necessarily anti-titty?
>Stealing robots and fusing them to create new robots is part of the show's statement on earned individualityThis is ignoring a big part of the show to hyper-focus on one aspect of it. I don't think anyone was denying that personal development and growth was a major theme of the show, but that doesn't mean there wasn't any social commentary as well. You gonna argue that the episode where they found that underground colony that had a religion worshiping a derelict mech as a god and made sacrifices to it by sending people to the surface to presumably die when their population got too big was a commentary about "earned individuality"?
>>16336>Why exactly do you think the left is necessarily anti-titty?Not that anon by he probably fell for reactionary bullshit
The left tend to be progressive
They think progressives are anti titty and nudity
Even though rightoidz think the left are pro nudity, but only for non conventionally attractive women or some shit
>>16336I don't think "earned individuality" is even the core theme of Gurren Lagann; my point is that "stealing robots = seizing the means of production" has little basis, especially when the actual show gives you a million hints as to what that element symbolizes.
>>16339you can't with a straight face imply this stuff isn't widespread in online leftist circles, especially when people in this very thread say that nerds "missed the point" of Kill la Kill re: fanservice, compare said fanservice to American History X's portrayal of nazism & claim "you're supposed to feel bad for wanting hypersexualization of women in anime". are those supposed to be /pol/ falseflags?
>>24310I think a good chunk of it is that it's nominally anti-fascist – as in the bad guys are literally fascists – but that aspect of it gets a bit muddled once the Elite Four are revealed to not be actual bad guys.
The "deconstruction of fanservice" aspect people talk about is dumb, KLK is quite literally the opposite, it's a show about being shameless about sex. That said this aspect of it is also muddled by the fact that the show oftentimes can't quite discern between "Ryuko shouldn't be ashamed of her body" and "Ryuko shouldn't care about all these people who keep touching her inappropriately".
I think comparing the fights with the Pain fight is a huge stretch but I do overall agree that they're very much in the generic "people stand around throwing big attacks with exaggerated animation" mold for the most part, they're actually my least favorite part of the show.
Overall KLK is just a beloved phenomenon so people want to feel like it's on their side. All political groups do this but leftists seem especially prone to it.
>>24984>it's nominally anti-fascist – as in the bad guys are literally fascists – but that aspect of it gets a bit muddled once the Elite Four are revealed to not be actual bad guysIt can be interpreted as the rebels raising class consciousness in the military.
>leftists seem especially prone to it/leftypol/ users do be like that.
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