The setup of the world is original, the lore is interesting as fuck, the uncensored brutality showcases an interesting take on violence that feels genuine to what something like this in real life could occur and the plot is overall entertaining
But fuck the amount of other garbage in this pretty much “makes a perfectly baked caked bathed in the shittiest frosting you could’ve gotten”. Child nudity that only exists to satisfy the authors god awful fetishes, crying and death when it isn’t needed or doesn’t do anything to contribute to any form of character development, major figures like bondrewd, wazukyan and his crew or just reg and his origin in general either gets sidelined completely or just flat out abondoned after less than a single episode and it fucking sucks and makes trying to be entertained or even gain any cool ideas like how ethics are considered when the promise of discovery is near or how people respond and develop tools to new threats or just how nature itself adapts to the geography that surrounds it doesn’t truly feel like it got the attention it deserved in a series that felt like it was made for it
>>16956>someone not having a slavishly positive opinion of AbyssA surprise to be sure, but a welcome one, some ideas are cool, but a lot of the sexualization and sexual violence is just tiresome; If I wanted to see some blob-faced loli in shibari being 'tortured' then there's hentai doujins for that… and I don't particularly want to see that anyhow.
>>16962 >R-redditCan you not?
>>16964I heavily disagree, in fact the later layers get more interesting.
>>16965Being a prude isn't surprising in the least. I guess you cover your eyes whenever anything sexual happens on screen?
>>16971>gore pornNot him I’m actually OP but seriously does that shit actually get made for any reasons beyond shitposting?
>out of placeYeah it is initially when the show first aired I didn’t give a shit about it since nudity in media isn’t uncommon and rarely was it used in instances where it was fetishistic but then reading the manga and seeing what the show would devolve into made me start picking up new issues less and by the time the narehate village thing was over I was so fed up with how generic things felt and how rampant the level of pointless nudity I just quit entirely
I did try to come back in the chapter with the bar but not even like fucking 5 pages in there’s more of the above bs and this time it’s not for anything it’s actual incest. I stopped and then took some time off, months later I wrote the OP
>>16973>does that shit actually get made for any reasons beyond shitpostingI've seen 'people' that enjoy it and those that post it certainly do. A lot of people that post or look at them "ironically" just secretly enjoy it and are too ashamed to say so.
>tially when the show first aired I didn’t give a shit about it since nudity in media isn’t uncommon and rarely was it used in instances where it was fetishisticAs a Berserk reader I have a tolerance of that stuff, but only in so far as it is necessary, like you said it just stopped being of interest.
>>16971How do you have the gall to make this post and then call others defensive? Who was even talking about irony?
And yeah you aren't a prude just someone who resorts to "normalcy" and "maturity" to imply sexuality is bad. Well okay.
>out of place sexualizationI don't remember whatever passes as sexualization according to your closeted senses happening in the middle of serious moments, so it isn't out of place really.
>>16973>how generic things feltLmao explain how it's generic?
>how rampant the level of pointless nudity I just quit entirelyNot a prude btw.
>>16975>As a Berserk readerEvery time.
>>16976>/v/-/v/! Can you fuck off back to 4chan, schizo?
>>16978>the gall to make this post and then call others defensive Imagine being so butthurt you make a big post about being called out
>irony Lurk moar fucking speedreader
>you aren't a prude just someone who resorts to "normalcy" and "maturity" to imply sexuality is bad <Normalcy and maturity is bad because using them as lenses of criticism exposes me! No faggot, sexuality is not bad, as any Eurofilmfag can tell you. But excessive and vulgar sexualization constantly and/or for no reason is just shock value shit, like half the other content on the internet these days.
>your closeted senses <not enjoying excessive graphic sexual violence is "closeted" By that standard anyone that doesn't enjoy 'rape' roleplay and other kinky shit is automatically closeted. Fuck off
>happening in the middle of serious moments Ah yes, please explain the extreme necessity for the discount Spanish Inquisition to be doing shibari "torture" on a little girl, very serious, except for it being fucking ridiculous and doujin-bait. This isn't an ecchi anime or a hardcore story in the vein of Berserk, so it's just there because at this point in anime 'culture' the market has made it a necessity for their to be shit gags even if they don't belong in said "serious moments" and fan-service that they try to pretentiously hide under "plot"
>Every timeAre you implying Berserk is bad? Or not a good standard for implementing horrific and sexual violence into a serious story?
>>16979>it is people who engage with sexual stuff regularly that clutch their pearls hardest about it Literally the "if you're arachnephobic you must secretly be into spider sekz" Fucking contradictory nonsense. Touch grass.
>>17050Drawings of what motherfucker
Drawings of what huh????
>>17055Yeah dipshit if it’s used respectively
In the case of this creep it’s blatantly not and when combined with the bs in everything else in the series, from the generic fights, to the visible lack of overall theme past second layer etc it’s amazing it’s a repeated offence and not a one time fuckup
>>17056Holy shit I forgot that was even a thing years ago
Yeesh I think that was tsukushi at his worst
>>17088Again this would be reasonable but shit like
>>17056Ruin that aspect
I don’t care enough about the nudity because the entire story feels like one fucked up mess after the second layer but my god I don’t wanna hear excuses for it because they all fail to address the fact that this shit just isn’t common in media not even most anime pull this weird shit
>>17092For me it fell off by the time bondrewd was over
I was expecting more with him like a lore dump or some really well written exploration of how discovery impacts society through his character more but that never happened and instead we got towny shit that bore the living life out of me while I hoped to god it would end(it didn’t for like 20 fucking chapters after)
>>17057>if it’s used respectivelyWhy does it have to be done "respectively"? As long as the child is not doing anything sexual then it's always fine. You're adding weight to something that doesn't need weight. It's no different than those people who need a justification for the usage of non white people being used in a story.
>>17088Pretty fair take. I can see the annoyance though of the posters who're into these subjects having to deal with people who're against the shocking material and their only criticism is that it's shocking. Don't get me wrong, you're completely justified in not liking something because of its shocking material, but the criticism needs to be substantial.
>>17101Because if it wasn’t then it wasn’t needed and it ultimately devolves into the nude equivalent of pointless gore added in for shock value without any level of depth or intelligence behind it
Nudity can be presented in clever ways like showcasing serious injuries to make a scene feel increasingly tense or simply being informative of how structures of an organism human or not work. Else you just get nothing out of it and at worse discomfort or even open disgust
>>17102There’s only actually one instance of this I can remember where the author of MIA did this and it was when the girl(sorry I can’t remember her name) was getting healed by the furry thing after getting poisoned by that massive porcupine looking thing
Shit was terrifying but knowing she made it felt relieving due to the possibility of death being real due to the setup. Which is just another reason why I feel shit fell off after bondrewd as you don’t get that in the later chapters
>>17102Ignore:
>>17109. Didn't mean to send message early.
>Nudity can be presented in clever ways … Else you just get nothing out of itYou're not wrong, nudity can really elevate a story. But that doesn't mean that it always has to be justified.
>at worse discomfort or even open disgustI don't feel these things, and many others from I can assume don't feel the same as well. It's you who's adding the weight, the disgust, the discomfort, etc.
Why do you force yourself to feel these things, anon?
>>17110Force? I literally stated mild discomfort as a possibility
And in the worst case scenario
Disgust
Nothing in that text said anything about force
>>17111Also
No I’m not being sarcastic if your asking. How the hell do you force yourself to feel discomforted by something?
>>17112>How the hell do you force yourself to feel discomforted by something?Social conditioning
>>17111>mild discomfort as a possibility And in the worst case scenario DisgustNo comment. I'm just ending the messages here since this entire thing is a stroke.
>>17115No I’m not assuming anything about you as a person
But you think people finding child nudity and gore discomforting is a byproduct of social conditioning??)
>>17116Nudity is a neutral thing and very natural. Before the 80s in the US, no one thought anything about parents letting their very young children play naked outside, or parents taking naked pictures of their children. The stigmatization of nudity in general and child nudity specifically is a very recent, very American thing.
It's not normal or good to look at child nudity and feel disgust, any more than it's normal or good to feel lust.
>>17124Oh no no no no
This ngga genuinely believes this shit. Seeing family members naked is a lot different than shoving a naked child in public for everyone to see ahahahahah no way this fucking nonce is that creepy and retarded simultaneously ahahahahhaahhahahhahahahhahaha
>>17125>>17126Anon was obviously talking about very young kids at the beach or at the park when it's hot or whatever. Not parents sending kids out naked to walk down the street. Anons seem to be over reacting.
edit: ofuck this is an anime thread. 95% of it shouldn't exist.
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