Fellow weeboos, why do otaku like this guy? I can't stand him. I'm sure his games are fun, but he pisses me off so much that he ruins them for me. Let's see:
>Mary Sue
>two dimensional at best, one dimensional 90% of the time
>overpowered in a lazy/uncool way
>acts like a spoiled child
>psychopath
>sexist
>almost always gets away with his crimes and gets what he wants
>is pretty much fucking Satan but whitewashed via moral relativism, poor excuse of "comedy" and plot armor
Some of these are fine in isolation or as satire, but ALL of these in combination? Holy crap I hate this fucker. And I don't even love to hate him like a villain that gets you pumped up, I HATE hate him. What's the deal? Am I missing something?
>>22259>>22263By this logic any character a reader likes is made for "self-inserting". Rance isn't a blank slate character at all.
>I think that’s concerning.XD
>>22261With Rance in particular I feel like the black comedy really softens things, add that in with the context of it being an eroge and it doesn't come off as offensive as it might have otherwise, for me anyway.
I've only played Sengoku Rance but I was blown away by how much I was having fun with it. Humor is spot on, the gameplay is actually well designed, and tracks from the OST still pop into my head now and then. You can tell that Alicesoft is a studio with 30 years of experience.
I also watched the old 90's OVA and it was honestly a lot of fun.
>>20109you are not really supposed to read the dialogues or follow the story, much less get emotionally invested. go straight for the mechanics and the porn
the writer needs a plot and characters that can produce sex scenes. these scenes have to include rape because japanese society thinks consent is anti-erotic. rance and his universe are the path of least resistance
lets do an exercise so you can see it, try to imagine a character that has an excuse to go around killing people and raping women (and with the unequal power dynamic the japanese public likes) but that you would find likeable
even easier, try applying same criteria to your average ck2 character, and now imagine if the game also had to include fucked up sex scenes
>>22271You are missing a lot then. Rance is one of the few eroge that actually would be great even if it was only a story without gameplay or even porn. The writing, world building and characterisation are that good.
In fact aside from Sengoku all other series are turn off in terms of gameplay for me. Too much grind and repetition while walking in samey blocky dungeons.
>>22272I've had fun with all Rance games (even 5D) but it's always at the endgame and/or postgame where the grinding gets too much for me and I have to
bring out Cheat Engine.
>>20109>why do otaku like this guyBecause its edgy and also plays to some of their fantasies
>I can't stand him That's fine, even if you want to associate with/identify as an Otaku or weeb, you don't necessarily have to share the exact same likes and dislikes. HxH is very popular, I don't really like it, and that's fine, there's no cult-leader forcing you to like it. I personally don't care for Rance much, however I also don't care if people like it, it's not my problem, and as long as the shitty aspects remain fictional, then there's little harm done.
>I HATE hate himRelax, breathe in and let it go comr8, there's bigger problems in the world than some VN protag.
>>22276I skipped 5D and only read about games after sengoku. Honestly they should just put them on steam, since it allows porn now. I also used cheat engine since i never was a fan of their dungeon crawling mechanic.
>>22279>Because its edgy and also plays to some of their fantasies The answer is wrong because the premise is. I wouldn't call Rance a particularly popular character. It's hard to play into someone's fantasies when the character has actual personality and not a complete blank slate.
>>22279>HxH is very popularIt's really not. It's pretty niche.
>>22287 NTA but
>I wouldn't call Rance a particularly popular character.Rance was pretty well known among weebs/otaku that play VNs, even if it's not talked about as much today. From what I've seen of unironic fans, they either identify with Rance or just enjoy the edginess.
>It's really not. It's pretty niche. <HxHMaybe 10 years ago, but by this point, HxH is pretty big in the anime community, the only reason people think its not is because it was the gateway anime for a lot of 2010s contrarians that wanted to like shonen but pretend to be deeper than the rest (proof of that being the shitflinging threads between shonen fans of HxH and the Big Three). Also HxH was under the shadow the Big Three and Dragon Ball making it appear less popular, even though that is untrue. Mention Hunter x Hunter on any anime forum I can think of and people WILL recognize it and a lot of them like it, hell it's rare to find a post actually shitting on it, which indicates a general liking of it.
To clarify - being well known does not necessarily mean mainstream.
>>22287Yup, the whole point of criticizing a character for being a "self-insert" is that they're bland/boring/blank slate, which Rance definitely isn't. Even the romance options don't turn into 0 personality sex slaves either. Also, there's a whole separate character in the setting that pokes fun at the generic isekai protagonist trope.
Hell, I always suspect everybody calling him their "self-insert" to be idiots that never played the games and only know him from the epic rape chad meme. Rance is a comedy MC first and foremost and the game goes out of its way to let you know you aren't supposed to take such a childish meathead seriously.
For similar reasons and what
>>20113 posted it really doesn't make sense to call him a "mary sue" either.
>>22288>Rance was pretty well known among weebs/otaku that play VNsThat's such a small pool of people, man… (Sadly…)
>they either identify with Rance or just enjoy the edginessThat "or" is doing a lot of legwork there. People who play a black comedy game enjoy black comedy, huh.
>>22291>Rance is a comedy MC first and foremost and the game goes out of its way to let you know you aren't supposed to take such a childish meathead seriously.He also constantly fucks up precisely because of his shitty behaviour. He is his own worst enemy more often than not. Which is kinda the opposite of what Mary Sue is.
Also, i think that his character progression should be mentioned. If at first he was an asshole bungling about and lucking into some (sorta) heroic deeds and recognition, with series progression he had to face himself being an asshole the consequences of his actions and actually choosing to do the right thing. And without loosing what makes him Rance. I think it was like Rance VI where he was at his lowest point morally storywise yet where you could see the cinflict between an asshole rance and hero rance leaning towards hero.
>>22304The antique anglo idea of fiction being necessary moral instruction: if a piece of fiction can't justify itself with a parable, what is its utility then?!
>>22305People like this is why I still have a little sympathy for the "the curtains are just blue" people. At least they still have an appreciation for a story just being valuable in itself.
>>22306To be fair the OP
was trying to make this about actual morals.
>>22312>>22309>>22307So many butthurt pseuds. If an author is consistently "misinterpreted" it just means they are a shit author who doesn't know how to use the tools of literary expression properly. Also they may be just dishonest with themself like Tokien who was clearly influenced by first and second world war, but denied it vehemently (probably because it didn't paint a very nice picture of himself)
>youre very stupid and probably also an americanThat's a lot of projection, whitey boy.
>>20109>>22271>the writer needs a plot and characters that can produce sex scenes.but that's y its shit tho
ranch story is poopoo
>>22292>13 Sentinels: Aegis Rimunderstandable, based gayme
>>22343>>22344rofl why do terminally online people only express their opinions in hyperbole
hell i dont think youve even played rance OR coc at all
>generic asshole that society magically gives a free pass tolike youre so wrong and its stuff that the thread already talked about so you couldnt even read the thread before opining on things you dont know about…
>>24340Rance is a "parody" of Ys, zoomie. They wanted to make Ys but with the protagonist being an amoral rapist that immediately expanded in world-building and characterization with the following games and the main characters end up changing the status quo of the world more than Ys itself, even.
Konosuba gives up the facade of a parody pretty quickly and ends up playing all the cliches straight. It gets even worse in the volumes that haven't been adapted yet.
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