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you are dellusional society wont ever collapse

>>2696
Why not? All other civilizations have collapsed before, what makes this one different?

>>2697
civilizations never collapsed there were just changes in the mode of production
did you even read marx?

>>2697
>>2697
wtf? like the last society to collapse was the freaking romans over 1500 years ago. since then, european civilisation has pretty much been continuous.

>>2698
this is recuctionism. civilisation and mode of production arent the same thing.

>>2699
how is it reductionism
Roman civilisation didnt collapse you can still find it all over europe

>>2700
>how is it reductionism
because civ and mop are 2 different things and you brought up mop when op was talking about civ thereby implying they were the same

>Roman civilisation didnt collapse you can still find it all over europe
havent spoken latin in a while bro
the fact that roman successors emulated roman culture doesnt mean it was the same civilisation. rather, certain aspects were reintegrated.

>>2700
Roman civilization collapsed, some parts of it survived as the Byzantine Empire. Western civilization was a fresh start, disconnected from both the Romans and the Ancient Greeks.

>>2702
>havent spoken latin in a while bro
did you here about the new language that was just invented its called italien

>>2703
do you thing everyone who lived under roman rule just died?

>>2704
sorry i havent, im white

>>2706
americans arent white

>>2707
es ist gut, deutscher zu sein

>>2708
Ist sehr premium

>>2705
what does that have to do with anything?
ppl who were under roman rule ended up under langobard or frankish rule or whatever. in these new conditions their way of life changed and was no longer roman.

>>2699
> civilisation and mode of production arent the same thing.
Doesn't even matter, after the collapse of Rome their "productive forces" were left to rot. The only continuity is through the Church and that's dogshit.

>>2705
They stopped living under Roman rule, and they liked it. This is not the first time this happened. Civilizations used to collapse all the time and the people living under their rule usually rejoiced. When "barbarians" invaded their civilizations, they welcomed them. That people living under someone's rule should like and defend their rulers was an innovation of the European liberals and nationalists centuries later.