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The biggest dollar crimes are all white collar, trans-national and done by established businesses which are in part legal. I think we can just call them capitalists, as they are, or managerial classes involved in fraud if they don't own capital themselves and just move shit for higher ups. As far as the criminals involved in illicit business, like the people lifting shit for ORC, they're a more interesting class position since they have a means of making money, but no wage or stability, and their income depends on their own effort. They're basically urban hunter-gatherers. Idk what to call this.

goons are proletarians too, boss

petty bourgeoisie in tightly knit family structures
you always have to have a relative that's already in the business and can get you in, also the "footsoldiers" aren't exactly proletarian, more just like junior porkies who run their own rackets that they kick up a margin to their "lieutenants" who themselves kick up further

It‘s just petite bourgeois or bourgeois. There is no material significance to give them a new label as if to suggest they are an elementally distinguished type of class. They are simply capitalists who engage in crime. Standard capitalists do that too, just for some reason society is less invested or worked up by the crimes going on in a broker‘s office.

>>10722
white collar fraud is pretty universally vilified
in fact, i'd wager it's even more controversial and taboo than murder inc shit

>>10559
Thoughts on this?
https://newmultitude.org/violence-as-capital-a-letter-from-mexico/

>>10723
Where are the TV shows where the police hunt down criminal businessmen for the audience to have a feeling of cathartic and vicarious justice?

>>10725
Isn't that what that "In the name of the people" Chinese show is about?

>>10726
In a country with a Marxist government. When it comes to the West these people are only used as an excuse to handwave capitalism's systemic issues away ("crony capitalism") without real malice, unlike what we see towards people in the ghetto selling drugs.

Organized crime is actually a lot more of a tribal concept. The name families aren't just for show, it comes from the origins of the Italian mob, The Italian mafia basically grew out of a culture where feudalism ended but the need for it in their culture did not. The people in the outlying regions were used to going to an authority figure to pass judgments for their disputes and protect them from bandits or whatever, and the new government was weak and inefficient. Some places would only have the authorities visit as often as once a month to pick up prisoners to take them away for trial. So you ended up with a bunch of guys that, for one reason or another, ended up being the de facto 'Lord' of their area: the one everyone came to with their problems. Because the people knew how that system worked, and democracy was at best a theory to them. So you had this power and authority structure that grew up in the shadow of the legal, official government.
So at its heart, whether or not it was ever true in practice, the idea of the mafioso was built around them being a respected individual at the head of the community. That's where the idea of mafia guys being 'classy' came from, when filtered through American culture by Italian immigrants and other past and present organized crime groups are also built around the concept. They aren't just groups of guys banding together but actual relatives. The mob boss isn't just a nebulous force, he could be your father's second cousin, someone your grandmother babysat.

>>10559
I liked Valencia's "Gore Capitalism". IMO professional criminals are part of the PMC. Organized crime is the same kind of gore work as done by cops, soldiers and security guards. So really professional criminals are a kind of class traitor.

Organized crime actually works a lot like a cult. What class is Alex Jones? Organized crime is more like religion, conspiracy, multilevel marketing and pickup artist stuff.