Book to read with my boyfriend Anonymous 23-08-22 04:55:17 No. 11465
I'm in a pretty big dilemma.
Anonymous 23-08-22 08:15:13 No. 11477
>>11475 This one sounds great too although I'm looking for a philosophy text and not really a history one.
>>11476 He's extremely clingy so he won't go for this.
Anonymous 24-08-22 02:36:43 No. 11501
>>11486 I think he says something along the lines of "Buddhism says that desire is the cause of suffering l, but psychoanalysis teaches us that we want to suffer"
God i fucking hate that guy.
Anonymous 24-08-22 03:02:33 No. 11503
Chuang-Tzu, Inner Chapters
i'm 100% serious, just trust me also, Evald Ilyenkov, any of his essay-books you can get. Intelligent Materialism was good, but it's very much about Hegel and his relationship to Marxism - BUT THE PHILOSOPHY IS REALLY GOOD. I think if your bf can learn to fw dialectical materialism, he can begin to see the light of revolution, subjectivity, history/movement, etc.
Also i don't wanna interfere too much, but i think what your bf needs is tbh to dive fully into his nihilism. If he believes all this stupid spiritual moral relativistic crap, he's too full of himself. He doesn't yet see the absurdity of positing your own Individual being. He needs to split himself open. Maybe Deleuze is the remedy for this situation, so Thousand Plateaus or AO. His pomo bullshit will mesh nicely with psychoanalytic stuff, and that's just what he needs to stop being so pessimistic from what it looks like to me Maybe just show him acts of resistance. Anarchists love cataloging that shit. One thing that made me re-invigorated in a dark time recently was
https://enoughisenough14.org/2021/12/06/guerrilla-bay-area-on-the-endless-crimewave/ Just goes to show, the fire is still alive in people's hearts. This + real marxism - reading lenin, reading bordiga (and the old boar himself, ofc), finally set me straight. Communist party + people's initiative = revolution.
One final tip - affirmation is the way to change people. Lean into what they already are open to, make them expand on it. Keep in mind
identity of identity and non-identity - the opposition within the sphere of non-identity is the opposition you want. Don't focus on the parts which are not contradicted, don't focus on the contradiction between contradiction and non-contradiction (that's false) - extrapolate his worldview until you find the opposition which will drive it forward. Tbh maybe even let him pick the book you guys read. Maybe he'll pull himself out of it. I'd hazard to say that western buddhism, spiritual crap, etc. is NOT the are of contradiction within his worldview, since it's explicitly pragmatist, moral relativist, etc.; i.e. totally malleable and "lmao i dont gotta splain shit". So if he's into zizek, idk maybe get him REALLY into the zizek when you guys read. That's all i can say. I hope you take this seriously tho and not as some woo. I'm only speaking from experience.
Anonymous 24-08-22 03:08:13 No. 11504
>>11503 (me)
btw i only recommend Inner Chapters since ur bf already likes oriental woo. This at least might subvert the way he currently uses it as a cope. It focuses on contradiction, and the intractability of it (in words/ideas), rather than smoothing over contradiction
Anonymous 24-08-22 05:32:47 No. 11508
>>11497 report it and just say its ur thread, etc. and i or someone else will delete it
actually, post in this thread too that u want it gone cause someone might just dismiss the report
i'll make sure the thread gets deleted tho
Anonymous 25-08-22 02:03:49 No. 11517
>>11513 Good idea.
So who are some philosophers who are tankies and/or anti-revisionists?
The only ones I can think of are Althusser, maybe also Lukács since he supported the USSR until he died IIRC.
Anonymous 25-08-22 03:19:49 No. 11518
>>11517 francisco martins rodrigues !!
good anti-revisionist
I like to read theses from congresses too. Mexico's PCM is based af. Idk, First and second congress of the comintern? Is that too old? Cause tbh read Marx, read Lenin, etc. All the cool ppl got cool from understanding and comprehensively studying the classics.
Anonymous 25-08-22 19:00:00 No. 11532
>>11510 This.
Someone give OP a “revolution will happen” text.
Anonymous 26-08-22 08:59:45 No. 11543
>>11541 >>11542 (me)
Jackass supported French colonialism in Algeria ffs.
Anonymous 27-08-22 03:44:10 No. 11550
>>11547 I've taken note of all of them.
Might just do that.
Anonymous 16-09-22 14:55:16 No. 11657
>>11638 Zizek is only 'reactionary' in the same way that a 'vanguard' appears reactionary to a leftcomm, so maybe you're just a leftcomm.
>>11649 If fear is the primary reason for your being with someone, the relationship will slowly & inevitably corrode.
Anonymous 16-09-22 15:30:21 No. 11659
>>11658 *wouldn't
Based on that Zizek quote i mean
Anonymous 17-09-22 08:38:21 No. 11671
>>11658 Communism isn't about a pristine finality in which all matters resolve, it isn't a utopian ideal or some state of affairs… wait a minute… it's the real movement which sublates the present state of things.
Communism is todestrieb, communism is free time, communism is the socio-economized recognition of the void engendered by historical self-consciousness set into practical deliberation (the riddle of history solved), communism is an economic system which really only reflects antecedent social tendencies, a deeper primacy. Communism is drive, indefinite, delimited, empowered, no promise of a fulfillment which appends itself upon stabilized solubility (communism is NOT harmony, the idyllic return, conditions of ahistorical prescripts demanded through economy). Communism is the no-longer-estranged-condition-of-humanity for its first time since agriculture's advent, and where we go with that is the substantive ambiguity which is most definitive of communism inhered.
"Healthcare pls" etc. types are well meaning in their sincerity insofar as this relates to issues within reality, but they would be better suited to ceding into socdem territory, as they lack the theoretical base to relate their adversity.
Anonymous 22-09-22 22:50:01 No. 11699
>>11480 >>11695 (me)
Wanted to also add that Buddhism's main teaching is to be indifferent to the world and to focus all of your energy internally. The goal isn't to change the world but to change yourself so you can move throughout the world without being bothered by it. It's no wonder so many western Buddhists end up becoming total narcissists.
Anonymous 23-10-22 12:44:13 No. 11917
>>11908 taking it a step at a time is what's working 4 me
i used to try and "convert" him over to my mode of thought but its a lot easier to just debunk what he's saying bit by bit and let him come to the right conclusions on his own
Anonymous 25-10-22 20:04:03 No. 11930
>>11928 you need a zen solution obviously
beat your BF and if he moves or retaliates, tell him he has found a new, better path, and should give up his stupid orientalism
jk idk much about buddhism but isnt it not actually about apathy? In theory the middle path should still allow passion, activity, etc.
<Anger toward social injustice will remain until the goal is achieved. It has to remain. >I see. Should one truly continue to harbor a feeling of anger? <Of course. That anger is directed toward the social injustice itself, along with the struggle to correct it, so the anger should be maintained until the goal is achieved. It is necessary in order to stop social injustice and wrong destructive actions. https://tricycle.org/article/justifiably-angry-marxist-interview-dalai-lama/ Fr tho if he's apathetic it's a problem of the heart, not the head. "If their efforts have nevertheless remained fruitless, it is because external forces are insufficient to move the heart…. " If there's nothing rousing a comfortable person into action, there's no philosophy to help them. It's a class and personal experience thing. If they have every reason to be mad but are just beaten down, then that's a different story and ig help him to stand up tall.
Anonymous 26-10-22 04:12:54 No. 11941
>>11505 > capacity for cooperation I tend to meme this shit hard, but if you want an actual corollary to > survival of the fittest look no further than everyone's favorite communist fanfiction author Kropotkin. He spent years in fucking Siberia showing that cooperation is just as important as competition in nature.
Don't read the bread book though, its fanfic tier.
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