Some thoughts on volume 1 of the second sex

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Some thoughts on volume 1 of the second sex simon beavouir 10-06-23 16:17:16 No.13681

after a few days of reading i got past the first part and I have some thoughts i wanted to share about the almost 750 page piece.

>the good parts
coming in i didnt have high expectations for what the book would turn out as as it continued but i found it to be quite interesting, simon presented alot of ideas on the sentiments of males in pre second wave feminist societies but the idea i found most interesting were her views on what actually made women "the other" in the eyes of males at that time. the answer was subjective to the person, much like in her section that detailed the varying roles and levels of freedom women have had throughout history in several parts of the planet what femininity was percieved as was also subjective and the idea that women must be subjegated to their husbands and treated as objects was a christian one that stemmed from the book of genesis, hold on this is going for too long.

i made a fuckup ignore the name 10-06-23 16:30:45 No.13682

taking a perspective outside of that she educated me through what she wrote on alot, from stories of amazonian women removing their breasts, from the reality that males need women to be more than just housewives seen in christianity to find any purpose of seeking marriage with them to varying myths surrounding womanhood and what it means to be born female from multiple authors.

The main takeaway from that section wasnt just to understand the oppression women have faced but more importantly why they faced it and myths did such a great job of it as volume I was ending. it detailed the realities that such oppression faced in the christian world was fueled by apathy of subordinated women to deal with these issues a problem that would later be resolved thanks to a shift in industrial productivity by the rest of europe with the exception of france due to napoleons policies

OP 10-06-23 16:33:22 No.13683

I guess it makes sense to an extent why this would be and why these issues would form almost exclusively in Europe where class divide back then was far worse with the establishment and enforcement of monarchs, religious authority and nobilitys but I have yet to understand the full purpose of the movement she would go onto inspire as I have yet to finish the book. thats all thanks to whoever took the time to read all of this

Anonymous 10-06-23 16:39:14 No.13684

>>13682
>from stories of amazonian women removing their breasts
Aren't Amazons a myth that Greek men came up with as a representation of everything they didn't want to see in women

Anonymous 10-06-23 16:42:52 No.13685

>>13684
In philosophy you can use anything you want as a metaphor. Even if it's not true, it's true in spirit

Anonymous 10-06-23 17:10:47 No.13686

>>13684
The name Amazon (a-mazon, "without breast", basically calling them "titless") is almost certainly an archetype of women giving up femininity to be like men. The degree to which it's inspired by some real culture or real people is less important than the values they represent for ancient Greeks. So in that sense it's a useful point to discuss because it is revealing about attitudes toward women.

Anonymous 10-06-23 17:15:02 No.13687

>>13685
this is why I hate idealism

Anonymous 10-06-23 22:22:39 No.13688

>>13685
>it's true because i made up a situation where it's true

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