Spanish Civil and National Syndicalism Anonymous 30-05-23 14:41:46 No. 13908
Did Falangists and National Syndicalists switch allegiance to the Republicans following Franco's control of the JONS labor union? >>I have encountered Spanish Flangeits and National Syndicalists who dislike Franco and support Marxism-Leninism. - Some of these individuals have read Marx and Lenin and believe that ideologically loyal members of the JONS joined the Republicans to protest Franco's takeover of the Union. >>the only case I have found of this being true was Ramiro Ledesma Ramos who was later shot by the CNT apart from that can't find any other sources so I am here to ask you anons if you can find any other sources of this happening.<<also, I had to read their Retraded theory ew.
Anonymous 30-05-23 14:44:00 No. 13909
You misspelled the topic op.
op 30-05-23 14:44:42 No. 13910
oops sorry
Anonymous 30-05-23 14:55:55 No. 13911
I remember on 8chan/fascist/ how they always said something like "franco betrayed the falange" and that jose antonio prima de rivera was the best, but reading wikipedia doesnt give me any clues about why they say that
Anonymous 30-05-23 15:03:27 No. 13912
>>13911 Maybe try using a different source because Wikipedia doesn't mention everthing
Anonymous 30-05-23 15:43:35 No. 13914
>>13908 >I have encountered Spanish Flangeits and National Syndicalists who dislike Franco and support Marxism-Leninism. twitter isn't real life
Anonymous 30-05-23 17:37:19 No. 13915
I haven't done much research on Falangism in particular, but in my research on Fascism generally I've noticed a trend of there being more radical "Left Fascists" who want to push the "Fascist Revolution" further. In the case of the Nazis they were out and out purged, in Spain I imagine they were suppressed, though in Italy they had a little more luck. Edmondo Rossoni, for example, was a Left Fascist who lead the "Fascist Syndicate" which, funny enough, grew larger than the actual National Fascist Party. He'd openly encourage strikes, went as far as saying that the industrialists would eventually lose their power once the workers were educated enough to seize the means, and apparently frustrated large Capitalists enough that (allegedly) one of them said they may need to start funding the Communists to fight the Fascists. ᴉuᴉlossnW, similarly, underwent a (broadly unpopular) policy of "Socialization" of businesses during the RSI. Among his allies was a former Communist that argued he was free to do the "real" Fascist revolution. So it doesn't shock me that a few Falangists opposed Franco. If anything he was just a conservative Junta leader. Not an actual, ideological Fascist.
Anonymous 30-05-23 17:55:32 No. 13916
>>13915 Franco's regime seemed much more of a traditional Catholic authoritarian state with moths munching on the vestments, and with the fascists subordinated to that regime rather than the other way around. The Falangists pulled heavily from students if I remember right and many were killed off in the war, with their leader intercepted and shot by the Republicans.
The Italian fascists and the Nazis went radical during the endgame period of WWII but that was when they were in total war mode.
Anonymous 31-05-23 14:12:52 No. 13917
>>1484268 >JONS party who joined the CNT but most of them got executed by anarkiddies. Based
Cerberus 31-05-23 14:15:55 No. 13919
>>13918 >>1484268 >>1484266 Ok we get it holy shit
Anonymous 31-05-23 15:09:23 No. 13920
>>13919 i was fixing my spelling's
Anonymous 31-05-23 15:09:52 No. 13921
>>13919 because i am not English
Anonymous 31-05-23 22:13:19 No. 13922
>>13916 Franco let the Natsyns exist becaue they were popular due to German and Italy influence on the whole Europe during the early 20th century. When Franco saw that the fascism ship was sinking, he purged the Natsyns and he became more of a classic strong-man military religious dictator. During WW2 Franco even wore suits and stuff to imitate Hitler.
Anonymous 11-06-23 05:57:14 No. 13923
>>13911 Read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Decree_(Spain,_1937) Franco forcibly merged all Nationalist factions of the Spanish Civil War into one party that retained the name and symbols of the the Falange but was no longer an ideological monolith