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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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What is the role of the police under capitalism? They do protect property and the interests of the upper class, but I don't think it's as clear cut as they merely protect a capitalist's factory and resources alone. They do try to carry out whatever dicta of law is brought in through legislation within their own funding.
But how are laws made?
Laws themselves are created through the superstructure, which I imagine are first formulated through the interests of the upper social strata inside the organs of the capitalist state, such as universities, political parties, courts, police departments, and legislative councils, as well as by appeasing public sentiment.
The economic and political classes of the bourgeoisie and petty bourgeois also seem to be entrenched in the roles of law: prosecutors, defence lawyers, and judges. These are created through the superstructure's education systems and law associations. The role of police as enforcers, or soldiers of the state, against the proletariat and peasantry upholds the sacred principles of capitalism: property, order, and class. Oddly enough, though, the police work against the black market which is merely capitalism intensified. What is the Marxist or Anarchist perspective on the role of police against the worst aspects of capitalism (human trafficking, drug trade, organised crime, gang violence)?

Modern policing was created by liberals in the 18th and 19th century in order to enforce abstract rights
They saw this as altruistic because such things as freedom of press and expression, separation of church and state, whatever could only exist on the back of violence

>>17444
>Forgetting the most important one, the Right to Property

they literally just a gang but for the capitalists and feds including the crime, heroin traffickers might work with the local BD set and the sacklers got the police for example

>>17445
Yes, the individual right to property, but it was also more than that

>>17444
Stop lying here. You can post this propaganda on Wikipedia, but do not intentionally misinform your comrades.

>>17448
Lolwut

>>17449
Don't get high on your own supply.
Police that protected property rights obviously existed in ancient civilizations already. The whole "it just started in the 18th century" spiel is just to guilt trip burgers by creating some retarded association between policing and US slavery. (Which is obviously false, but they are often too lazy and too stupid to look it up.)

>>17450
By modern policing, I mean large bureaucratic police departments, the first of which was founded in Paris under the Bourbon absolute monarchy, which were meant to protect abstract rights free of too much political oversight
Why are you defensive over policing being associated with slavery in the US even though I never brought it up?

My favorite part is when cops don’t make arrests until right before their shift is over and they get 3 hours of over time to book a homeless guy who stole 5 dollars of snacks but because of their record is enhanced to a state jail felony and felony prosecutors don’t do shit til their indicted. Everyone making money off a life but the life itself.

>>17444
This is blatantly wrong, the police as a institution emerged specifically as a union busting force specifically in regards to the the Chartist movement, it has always been a force to manage capital

>>17453
This doesn't disprove the other post

>>17451
>Why are you defensive over policing being associated with slavery in the US even though I never brought it up?
I'm not defensive over policing.
I simply do not want to have brainwashed morons on my side.
The fact is that there are a bunch of narratives (i.e. propaganda lies to dupe idiots) about the creation of police that try to portray cops as somehow linked to something.

That's why I mentioned slavery as one of the most popular lies is the "the concept of police was invented to capture run-away slaves".
It seems like you have fallen for another tale, while >>17453 believes something else entirely.

It's hard to tell where these lies come from. Maybe it's just "over enthusiastic" leftists. Maybe these lies were spread to make idiot leftists look more like idiots in the eyes of every reasonable person, who actually looks up the claims.
Who knows.

The point is: Stop lying here and start realizing which parts of your knowledge is just manipulative propaganda nonsense.

>Oddly enough, though, the police work against the black market which is merely capitalism intensified.
These black lumpen markets often create instability and undermine the bourgeois system. There is nothing unusual about the bourgeois state's response.


>What is the Marxist or Anarchist perspective on the role of police against the worst aspects of capitalism (human trafficking, drug trade, organised crime, gang violence)?

These are manifestations of contradictions from within the system, scarcity and the profit motive create demand for crime. The System Is Working As Intended.

>>17455
You're a fucking moron who thinks he's smart than he is. A modern police department is way different from a feudal sheriff or whatever, and it has clear historical origins. If you have a problem with this being pointed out and want to ignore Marxism and think some things are transhistorical and eternal, go jerk off to nazi hentai until you get a brain aneurysm.

>What is the role of the police under capitalism?
>protect property and the interests of the upper class

Congrats bro you already know the answer

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>>17457
>A modern police department is way different from a feudal sheriff or whatever
A modern farmer is way different from a feudal farmer.
Doesn't mean that "modern farming" has been invented to "capture free slaves" or [insert random political topic].
Also you seem quite angry and you don't have an argument. Only insults. That's typical for someone who experiences cognitive dissonance. So get your shit together and stop acting like some deranged bible thumper who is confronted with clear evidence of evolution.

>>17459
Semantoids don't understand that things can manifest in different forms and think in absolutes.

>>17459
Nta but you’re comparing apples and oranges.
Fact of the matter is large scale corpo farming is different from peasant or subsistence farming much like modern policing is not going to be the same as feudal policing. It’s historical roots are different. That’s his point.

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>>17455
lol
Hey einstein has it occurred to you that a particular historical institution can have roots in more than one kind of predecessor? As it turns out slave catching and union busting are very related in that their core function is to keep the workers of a particular class (slaves, proles) in line with what their masters want. Over time those kinds of practices became unworkable (e.g. due to slavery being abolished) so that core function had to adapt to the times.

>>17461
Holy shit they are both fruit you fucking idiot.

>>17462
This guy is very obsessed with denying link between slavery and policing even though no one brought it up

>>17455
> "the concept of police was invented to capture run-away slaves".
Actually true for the burgroid national context iirc

Another infantile anarchist thread whining about the cops, as though policing is a uniquely evil institution that wont need to exist under socialism. But by all means, try building a state without laws or order or accountability, humans tried to do that once too and it resulted in catastrophe: ever heard of the Flood?

>>17466
I have read this sort of bait so many times it doesn't even register anymore



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