Was the tiananmen square massacre really a massacre or a spook? Anonymous 13-06-23 04:56:46 No. 17902
I read this article and it claimed that leaders of the anti-gov protesters were acting entirely in self interest and that majority of casualties were soldiers of the PLA who were murdered by the protesters when they tried to solve things peacefully.
Is this true? I don't trust western propaganda one bit but this is the tiananmen square massacre!? I don't want to jump to conclusions right away. What are your thoughts on this?
I also tried to check the sources and I got a 403/404.
website:
https://www.liberationschool.org/tiananmen-the-massacre-that-wasnt/ pdf:
http://76i2c3hn55fcj5nut3tqlboqqbbh23zvphv7lefk3vftpx6wketlanyd.onion/leftypol/src/1682222954384-0.pdf Anonymous 13-06-23 05:19:56 No. 17916
>>17915 (me)
reminder also that 'Tank Man' isnt even from the right day as the tinyman square protests.
Anonymous 13-06-23 05:21:32 No. 17917
>>17915 but but but the wikipedia article says that the chinese
don't even know any of this happened because they used the brain erase ray from Men In Black
Anonymous 13-06-23 05:58:03 No. 17922
>>17918 Seems moderately plausible - but what of the photos of bodies seemingly destroyed by tank treads?
Didn't know people though protesters were killed anywhere besides the streets. I don't buy that the CPC weren't firing on the fleeing, though.
Anonymous 13-06-23 06:07:34 No. 17924
>>17922 (nta)
>photos of bodies seemingly destroyed by tank treads What photos? there are none.
Anonymous 13-06-23 06:28:00 No. 17931
>>17927 >the gov then understandably got pissed and escalated things from there. The square was cleared without any kind of 'massacre', the around 200 dead civilians comes from people who broke into armouries or stole PLA weapons from the soldiers and were killed in skirmishes with the PLA outside of the square.
>>17928 >Didnt protestors take over armored vehicles? Yes this as well.
Anonymous 13-06-23 06:36:26 No. 17932
>>17931 (me)
Also for a look at how a Capitalist country handles this take a look at this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangju_Uprising (2300 dead Protesters)
Anonymous 13-06-23 07:25:56 No. 17937
>>17936 it was covered by chinese media when it happened. do you really think the country has amnesia about it? no. you're just westoid who ironically believes his own government's lies about other countries.
see
Anonymous 13-06-23 07:31:10 No. 17939
>>17938 There is a difference, but in this situation the difference doesn't matter. The destination (or in this case, source) is disguised, removing metadata that would give a viewer context.
Hence, if I don't see a title or explanation to supplement it, I ain't clicking that shit uigha.
Anonymous 13-06-23 07:54:33 No. 17943
>>17937 full video was deleted by Youtube for "violent content" but remains on Vimeo
>六四真相～解放军战士被残忍砸死、打死、烧死。谁在高度克制？谁在残忍行凶？ <The Truth about June 4 ~ PLA soldiers were brutally stoned, killed and burned to death. Who was exercising a high degree of restraint? Who was brutally committing murder? https://vimeo.com/437562258 no subtitles though
Anonymous 13-06-23 08:14:35 No. 17947
>>17944 >muh frozen peaches If you want braindead dogma, go join a religion. We engage in critique and analysis. That's a core aspect of Marxism and any decent model of… anything. And to do that, you need to learn about the good, the bad and the ugly. Even China knows this, that's why they admit their party's role in intensifying the Great Famine, and that's why they've been able to understand how to stop that happening since.
>>17945 uygha that's a USA-owned platform don't strawman over that
at least strawman over something like the Baidu Baike page not mentioning any incident or protest, or the year 1989 whatsoever.
Anonymous 13-06-23 08:18:45 No. 17949
>>17936 source for this claim please anon?
>>17944 some of the protestors were maoists ironically lol
Anonymous 13-06-23 08:20:31 No. 17950
>>17942 Ah yes, the two irrelevant parts! I did read those, they were fucking stupid.
Who cares, that is not a counter-claim. They still continue to censor or control writing about the topic.
>do you really think the country has amnesia about it? I never made that claim or suggested it. I know that word-of-mouth and counter-censorship exists, and that mentions of the incident can be found on Chinese web search. That is not a counter-claim.
USA is not a basis for a system of ethics
Anonymous 13-06-23 08:22:15 No. 17951
>>17948 how are you getting this defensive?
go back to disc0rd.gov
Anonymous 13-06-23 08:40:06 No. 17955
>>17937 >do you really think the country has amnesia about it? No, despite all efforts to inflict it.
>you're just westoid It's unbelievable how dialogue has degenerated into "East/West" chauvinism on a Marxist forum, even if this is an imageboard. It makes you pine for the days of endless Gamergate threads.
Anonymous 13-06-23 08:42:51 No. 17956
>>17912 >>17941 hey i can play this gaem two
(I appreciate that some they point out are clearly alive, and I believe all are, but some of the descriptions here are very inconclusive, you can't confirm just from the arm position and a still image)
Anonymous 13-06-23 10:54:42 No. 17965
>>17958 - Marxist forum:
n. Threaded social site dominated by discussion of Marxist theory and its decedent variants, officially aiming to promote Marxisms, or restricting membership to adherents.
- /r/socialism:
n. The mythologized idea of a bad place, you hate it. Related:
reddit ,
succdem - edgy:
adj. lassalle was a jewish nigger
Anonymous 13-06-23 10:58:10 No. 17966
>>17961 I want to get a list of each ideology's example.
We all know the classic examples from fascists and M-L*s, but what is the classic example for, let's say, a libertarian, eco-rad, or proglib?
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