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>>18206
>he still cares about this nerdy shit
Just do the rest of us a favour and self identify as history-fans, not communists.
What a sad bunch of LARPers you are.

>>18207
I wish the SIM and NKVD in Catalonia eliminated all of you anarchist scum. Communists must be knowledgeable about history. If you don't want to answer or contribute to the thread then go to some CIA-funded Portland commune and eat mushrooms for the rest of your life.

>>18207
Even a history fan can understand that anyone implicated in the show trials besides the secret police themselves didn't deserve to be shot like animals.

>>18208
>I wish the SIM and NKVD in Catalonia eliminated all of you anarchist scum.
Liiek pottery…
Radical movements are not your gay little video game fandoms or other hobbies you retarded aspie children argue about on 4chan these days. Just fuck off and LARP as an animal instead like the rest of the retards like you.
Spare us.

>>18207
>>18206
both of you are shitty bitches and should leave the entire internet so the rest of us dont have to deal with your inecessant fucking whining

>>18211
didnt mean to @ OP in this
im talking to >>18208 if you actually understood history you'd realize massacring slightly different communists is for actual fucking losers who get BTFO by capitalists roaders within a generation

>>18212
You seem a little confused, let me make this easy for you comrade. Trotskyism is a type of fascism and has nothing to do with communism, calling them "slightly different communists" makes about as much sense as calling bourgeois republicans communist, the two are diametrically opposed. Tukhachevsky in particular was an insane warmonger and neo-pagan cultist who saw the eternal war doctrine of first wave Trotskyism as ideal for turning Russia into a volkish fascist state subservient to Germany that would eliminate Christianity and replace it with worship of Svarog. That he has admirers on this board just goes to show how far from communism leftypol has fallen

>>18213
Literally nobody outside your fbi.gov.org pseudo-friend circle gives a shit.
Save it for there and spare us.

>>18213
cringe

from what I remember of the threads about moscow trials, I had been convinced they were legit, and had all the necessary proofs through cross examination of testimonies and a few docs.


>>18207
>>18214
if the topic doesnt interest you just fuck off elsewhere maybe ? go touch grass for example

>>18213
its funny cuz every trot org will accuse slightly different leninists of the exact same shit ion even fw tukhachevsky like that Im just sick and tired of minor sectarian issues being treated seriously

>>18206
Interesting article here:

https://stalinistcivilization.substack.com/p/killing-tukhachevsky
>Tukhachevsky persists in the historical imagination as a deeply fascinating character. The “Red Napoleon” who never was, a brilliant military thinker whose life ended in abrupt fashion at the hands of the NKVD. The execution of Tukhachevsky and his allies has traditionally been characterized as a carefully orchestrated campaign of lethal repression carried out to ensure Stalin’s absolute power. This Cold War era narrative, which has largely been discredited with the opening of Soviet archives, has been used to show how Stalin’s ostensible megalomania sabotaged his own army’s prospects on the eve of war. On the other end, many contemporary Marxist-Leninists, adhering to the view of Stalin’s Soviet state, justify the execution of Tukhachevsky on the grounds that he was the ringleader of a fascist plot.

>In contrast to both of these theories, I draw on the work of various historians to argue that the execution of Tukhachevsky was the outcome of a factional power-struggle between two competing visions over the strategic direction of the Red Army. Tukhachevsky’s notorious personal power ambitions and his embittered military-strategic opposition to Stalin’s officer, Voroshilov, were perceived as a source of internal disunity capable of a producing a crisis that could potentially derail the war effort. Historian Vladmir Rogovin, in reference to the Stalin-era purges, stressed the importance of needing “to separate the fantastic and absurd charges from the evidence of the defendants' genuine anti-Stalinist activity” (Rogovin, 1998, p. 482). This requires going beyond Stalin’s psychology and the sensationalism of the Moscow Show Trials to find the power-struggle and oppositional politics at the heart of this matter.

>>18206
https://istmat.org/node/46724
Here it is necessary to return to Tukhachevsky.

The trial of the group of former senior Red Army commanders, unlike the trials of civilians, was, for obvious reasons, held behind closed doors. But some rather significant facts about the conspiratorial activities of Tukhachevsky, Yakir and other military men leaked into the testimony of the accused in other trials.

At the trial of the "right-Trotskyist bloc" held in March 1938, the defendant Krestinsky, former deputy people's commissar for foreign affairs, testified, for example, that back in 1933, during his meeting with Trotsky in the city of Meran, Trotsky suggested that he establish contact with Tukhachevsky, in whom he saw "an adventurist man, claiming to take the first place in the army, and who would probably go to great lengths."

From the testimony of the defendants at this trial it is clear that Tukhachevsky was hatching plans for a military coup.

Krestinsky said that when the destruction of underground organizations began in 1936, Tukhachevsky began to force the coup in every possible way.

"At the end of November 1936, at the VIII Extraordinary Congress of Soviets, Tukhachevsky had an excited, serious conversation with me. He said: failures have begun, and there is no reason to think that the matter will stop with the arrests that have been made… He drew conclusions: there is no point in waiting for intervention, we must act ourselves… Tukhachevsky spoke not only on his own behalf, but also on behalf of the counter-revolutionary military organization," Krestinsky testified in court.

In March 1937, a meeting was held at the apartment of the defendant Rosenholz, a member of the "Right-Trotskyist Center," in which Tukhachevsky and Krestinsky took part. At the meeting, the date for the speech was set - the second half of May (after Tukhachevsky's return from a trip to London).

Speaking about possible options for carrying out a military coup, Rosengolts stated in his testimony:

"…Tukhachevsky had a number of options. One of the options he was counting on most was the possibility for a group of military men, his supporters, to gather in his apartment under some pretext, penetrate the Kremlin, seize the Kremlin telephone exchange and kill the leaders of the party and government."

The same Rosengolts testified that another participant in the conspiracy, Gamarnik, "informed him of his assumption, apparently agreed upon with Tukhachevsky, about the possibility of seizing the building of the People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs during a military coup. Moreover, Gamarnik assumed that this attack would be carried out by some military unit directly under his command, believing that he enjoyed sufficient party and political authority in the military units. He expected that some of the commanders would help him in this matter.