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>>23005
does that mean we all are chad?

>>23006
No, because the loser DNA of your dad still won out

>>23007
wouldnt the make his genes alpha?

OP I can tell you binged on some incel pseudoscience and don't know basic stuff since you're confusing telegony and microchimerism together and thinking they're related.

To begin with, non-epigenteic telegony is the transmission of some genes of a previous mate to the child of a mother and a different father. The child's genes are majorly composed of the latter two's with some contribution from the former.
Microchimerism is the presence of (necessarily compatible) "foreign" somatic cells in someone's body.

The reason why they aren't actually related is because genes exist on a per-cell basis. It's not located in one place nor is it your metaphysical "essence" or whatever. Getting foreign cells or DNA inside your body is not gonna modify you completely. That's literally total post-embryonic genetic engineering and you'd get a Nobel prize if you find something that can do it.

Telegony doesn't happen simply because there's foreign cells in your body, it only happens when there's some sort of mechanism that can genetically affect germline cells in your reproductive organs. To this day nothing like this has been found anywhere except for a "soft" epigenetic version in Insects (as you seem to be aware). This however doesn't apply to anything else, including mammals.
In the case of humans, the only way for telegony to potentially happen is if something from a previous male partner can survive the environment of the uterus and fallopian tubes for extended periods of time AND be able to sneakily transmit genetic material to the zygote during/after fertilisation events between the egg and sperm. There's nothing in human semen that can do that either of that.

>But the thought of microchimerisms potentially occurring as consequence of unprotected vaginal sex alone makes me depressed
Not sure if you're like a woman or just find it icky that something like this can happen to anyone, but what I'm about to say below is more philosophical and might not get past your disgust response and brainworms.
First off, microchimerism isn't restricted to women who get pregnant. If you get an organ transplant, you by definition also become microchimeric, much more so than those women. If you get a bone marrow more specifically, you literally have a foreign cell factory inside of you pumping shit constantly and… working pretty fine and helping you stay alive?

Really though, how do you distinguish between "native" and "foreign" cells? The only reason why we know about male microchimerism in pregnant women is because we know a reliable signature (the Y chromosome) and can look for it specifically. If however you get any foreign cell inside a male, or a female cell inside a female, you will not be able to tell at all. In fact it's for this reason why microchimerism could potentially be widespread in everyone for one reason or another, but we can't notice it.

How about we define "your" cells as whatever that genetically resembles the initial zygote you came from? That's still not adequate. Remember that genes exist on a per-cell basis and that they mutate when dividing. By the time of your first few hours alive on this planet, ALL of your cells no longer resemble that zygote AND they don't even resemble each other. Not so simple, huh?

All I'm trying to say is: you're getting worked up over the shape of fucking organic polymers composed of nitrogen, phosphate and whatnot that are inside of cells in your body and functioning completely normally. Looking at it objectively and without various cultural brainworms, it's extremely fucking stupid.

>>23012
> incel pseudoscience
<the ancients are incels
ok
>>23012
>All I'm trying to say is: you're getting worked up over the shape of fucking organic polymers composed of nitrogen, phosphate and whatnot that are inside of cells in your body and functioning completely normally. Looking at it objectively and without various cultural brainworms, it's extremely fucking stupid.
i am not raising my children from a polluted womb

>>23012
>All I'm trying to say is: you're getting worked up over the shape of fucking organic polymers composed of nitrogen, phosphate and whatnot that are inside of cells in your body and functioning completely normally. Looking at it objectively and without various cultural brainworms, it's extremely fucking stupid.
also sloppy 2nds is nasty, bro

>>23013
>>23014
Bruh I literally wrote a long-ass post and you're responding with one-liners to only a few sections.
><the ancients are incels
>ok
Who gives a shit about what they thought? Aristotle divided up animals based on vibes and appearance and believed in spontaneous generation.

>i am not raising my children from a polluted womb
The paragraph you're replying to has nothing to do with you if you aren't microchimeric, though?
Also I already addressed this specifically:
<In the case of humans, the only way for telegony to potentially happen is if something from a previous male partner can survive the environment of the uterus and fallopian tubes for extended periods of time AND be able to sneakily transmit genetic material to the zygote during/after fertilisation events between the egg and sperm. There's nothing in human semen that can do that either of that.

>>23015
>Bruh I literally wrote a long-ass post and you're responding with one-liners to only a few sections.
sorry bro had to make a sandwich

>>23012
>In the case of humans, the only way for telegony to potentially happen is if something from a previous male partner can survive the environment of the uterus and fallopian tubes for extended periods of time AND be able to sneakily transmit genetic material to the zygote during/after fertilisation events between the egg and sperm. There's nothing in human semen that can do that either of that.
sperm survives a few days even a week in the females body
>Who gives a shit about what they thought?
scientists, philosophers, theologians, cultural anthropologists etc etc
>incel pseudoscience
<redditor detetected
>you're getting worked up over the shape of fucking organic polymers composed of nitrogen, phosphate and whatnot that are inside of cells in your body and functioning completely normally. Looking at it objectively and without various cultural brainworms, it's extremely fucking stupid.
no, and you are removing the human and cultural aspect of it. it is more of whether the chances or rearing a child that is yours significantly greater than if you with a women who has been run thru by the local hockey team

Its becoming a lot more grim for Gen Z. A lot of girls are told to go through « slut phases » whether for pleasure or self discovery and its going to be very damaging once these women realize what they've done to themselves. I had an ex who complained that men only ever used her yet once we broke up she said she wanted a “hoe phase”. Its ironical truly however its becoming harder in the current era to find an even half decent woman.

There is something you don't talk about the chances to divorce when women had a lot of sexual partners. It is the fact that we don't know if it is the number of partners that is important, or something else predicting this number. Maybe what explains the number of partners AND the chances of divorce is unstable personnality. Therefore, number of partners is a sign of unstable personnality, but it is not per se predicting the chances of divorce.

>>23020
>>23019
cope and insecurity.

I don't think the ancient greeks had a concept of genes yet, so nah I think this framing cuts out too much of the logistics. All traits are emergent from many genes–there is no single gene that correlates to a single trait singlehandedly–and traits not present in either parent can emerge from putting genes from either together.

>>23022
you are a product of multiple males.

>>23023
Aren't we all? I mean we all have 50% of males among our ancestors. That makes a lot of males…

>>23002
>Do you believe in telegony?
It’s probably more true mentally than physically.

Personally, I don't really care about my partner's body count, but I do avoid those who do a lot of partying, heavy drinking and frequent hardcore drug usage because they tend to get very fat as they age, they usually have a lot of STDs and possibly some brain damage from the drugs and because I don't like to be with criminals because I'm a good citizen and don't want to be associated with them.

>>23025
This is why sluts have a high degree of mental illness, and other neural disease.
If they have more than one males DNA in the brain the chances of mental illness go up exponentially.

56.3% of young liberal women have mental illnesses due to microchimerism/Telegony

>>23019
>sperm survives a few days even a week in the females body
That's not true, but it doesn't matter because I should've clarified that it should be anything other than sperm itself. That's because in that hypothetical case, it's not telegony since the egg gets majorly fertilised by it. In other words, it'd be just classic cucking.

>no, and you are removing the human and cultural aspect of it. it is more of whether the chances or rearing a child that is yours significantly greater than if you with a women who has been run thru by the local hockey team
That paragraph you're replying to is talking about microchimerism, not telegony. Holy fuck can you dislodge the spurious connection you made between them in your brain already?

>rest of the post
Don't care, didn't ask.

>>23029
Reject modernity, embrace value

>>23029
my first ever gf has been with 3 guys before me, the amount of betrayal I felt knowing what nasty stuff she's done with other dudes was unbearable and just ruined our relationship, she was happy a cheery talking about how we're gonna be together forever while I was miserable and felt lonelier than I was before, I think people don't care about body counts anymore because they don't have any expectations anymore, after it ended I felt absolutely nothing and I'm firmly convinced I'll never be able to love a woman ever

>>23031
>>23019
>Its becoming a lot more grim for Gen Z. A lot of girls are told to go through « slut phases » whether for pleasure or self discovery and its going to be very damaging once these women realize what they've done to themselves. I had an ex who complained that men only ever used her yet once we broke up she said she wanted a “hoe phase”. Its ironical truly however its becoming harder in the current era to find an even half decent woman.


No. The problem is that young women are no told to accept the outcome of their choices.
Theyre always told to not listen to men, to listen only to themselves, fuck mens selfish whims.
But theyre told to blame their own discomfort and bitterness of their own exploits on men.
Theyre told that young men rejecting or disagreeing with them are misogynists for wanting a pure woman to date
But they want to hold men to puritanical standards.

Of course young men do the same in inverse, but theyre accused of being incels.

My take on all this is that expectations for romance and sex are mutual entitlement.
People need courtly training starting in their preteens.

>>23009
starting next year its gen beta being born

>>23019
>Its becoming a lot more grim for Gen Z. A lot of girls are told to go through « slut phases » whether for pleasure or self discovery and its going to be very damaging once these women realize what they've done to themselves. I had an ex who complained that men only ever used her yet once we broke up she said she wanted a “hoe phase”. Its ironical truly however its becoming harder in the current era to find an even half decent woman.

Look at the animal kingdom and look at alot our family trees.
Alot of people have half-blood relatuves due to dad skipping the village on weekends to go his favorite bar.

>>23035
yes and?

>>23037
NTA but i guess the message is:
Young men seethes about modern women, longing for the so called good ol'times while actually people fucking around is the same as it ever was.

The only difference, i think, is that it is no longer swept under the rug.

>>23038
>Young men seethes about modern women,

Wrong. It's more that young women see the about modern men while indulging in the same crap.
It's mainly older men who do the most seething about modern relationships despite not being up to par by their own moral standard.

>>23002
My ex who used to talk to ghosts and fairies believed in this. She was legit mentally ill. Thats all i have to say about Telegony, it is the thought process of a mentally ill person.

>>23026
This. People worry more about body count than substance consumption habits.
Alot of people who do alcohol and drugs tend to procreate and the offspring may have latent problems that will hit them like a bus.

What's also sad is how society but especially here tend to sympathize too much with lumpens.

>>23132
I'd be okay with a body count 20-30

>>23012
Actually, there are some studies that show that microchirmarism is more frequent than we have initially thought. Some reasurcher have observed that this pattern is more prevalent in women that have their first times than younger ones.

I have been taught that telegony cannot be supported and is an outdated theory. The reason some people came up with the idea of telegony is that the theory of Mendel was nearly unknown, and the structure of DNA had not yet been discovered at that time.

But if the supporters of telegony can present studies on microchimerism that indicate some form of telegony has occurred, then we are obligated to give the theory a second chance.
It would be ignorant to preclude some idea out of discussion for emotional reasons. In the case that telegony describes and explains the empirical observations best, we need to check it.

>>23133
>I'd be okay with a body count 20-30
Wow!

>>23038
>The only difference, i think, is that it is no longer swept under the rug.
Honestly, I have had the same point of view. Though, what are the evidences for this view?

>>23333
Try not to suck any dicks on the way through the parking lot!

>>23333
wtf is this guys problem

>>23335
His girlfriend sucked thirty seven dicks.

>>23337
Ok?
Thirty seven fellatio sessions can range from within a five year period or more.

He could just as easily lick thirty seven vaginas within a five year period.

>>23333
amateur hour

>>23012
good post & OP and other sciencelets advocating telegony have been unable to provide any response that isnt substanceless rhetoric

>>23320
>if the supporters of telegony can present studies on microchimerism that indicate some form of telegony has occurred

the post youre responding to isnt saying that such evidence should be ignored, its saying that there is as of now no such evidence that that happens, and moreover no evidence that there is even a biological mechanism that would make the process possible