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 No.5376

Who did it? Soviets? Nazis?
Why were the polish officers killed? What was the motive for the massacre? Were they preparing a revolt?

Are the documents fake? Whose investigations are trustworthy?

Discuss
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 No.5378

>>5376
The germans were killing alot of polish intiligentsia to gain more power over the poles so my bet is it was the Nazis that then blamed it on the soviets so the poles would support them more
And wasnt the ammunition that was used german?
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 No.5380

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I did it.
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 No.5381

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Here's Grover Furr's version of the story.
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 No.5384

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>>5378
>so the poles would support them more
there was no way for nazis to get poles to support them. the only thing they could achieve with this was minimize polish attacks and sabotages against them

>>5381
>police badges in Vladimir-Volynsky
the russian historical society "Memorial" claims that bodies of the policemen weren't found there only their badges
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 No.5386

>>5384
>the russian historical society "Memorial" claims that bodies of the policemen weren't found there only their badges
https://www.memo.ru/media/uploads/2019/10/19/mednoe_t1.pdf

page 79 - 81

<[…]

<The fate of one of them, Ludwik Małowiejski, was traced back to the moment of their capture thanks to the archival documents of the NKVD , which made it possible to explain the find made in 2011 during the exhumation of mass graves of 1940-1941 by Polish and Ukrainian archaeologists. on the territory of the former prison in the city of Vladimir-Volynsky, Volyn region of Ukraine. During excavations was found a police service registration plate with number 1099 / II, belonging to Ludwik Małowiejski from Lodz. A year earlier, Ukrainian archaeologists found there a service registration plate with the number 1441 / II, which belonged to another prisoner of the Ostashkov camp, a policeman from Lodz, Józef Kuligowski186 (Roman numeral II in the numbers of both service signs means the pre-war Lodz District of the State Police). After the announcement of these finds, Russian publications appeared in which the discovery of police service registration plates during the excavation of mass graves in Vladimir-Volynsky was interpreted as evidence that Jozef Kuligovsky and Ludwik Maloveysky were buried there, which means that they were shot in 1941 by the German Nazis in Vladimir-Volynsky, and this was interpreted as one of the facts proving that there were no “shot Poles” in Mednoye at all187 (without any justification for the admissibility of such an expansive extrapolation). The fact that during the exhumations in Volodymyr-Volynskiy the police insignia were not found among human remains, but in the bulk layer above the burials, was ignored in these publications.

so yeah, the Grover Furr theory stands on shaky grounds
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 No.5387

>>5378
>And wasnt the ammunition that was used german?
idk, but that by itself doesn't prove anything. NKVD was buying foreign weapons and ammunition all the time
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 No.5390

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>>5387
Yeah, but the sheer amount of german ammo manufactured in 1941 is really shady. I mean, they could be fake, but it isn't likely.

From Grover's study, page 25-26:
<Details of the shells, 150 in all, found in grave No. 1 are given in footnote 3, page 8 of the Polish
report but are absent from the Ukrainian report:

<1. "kam, 67, 19, 41" – 137 units; 2. "dnh, *, 1, 41" – 7 units; 3. Geco, 9 mm. – 1 unit; 4. Shells

without markings, 7.62 x 25 caliber, USSR production of 1930s type – 5 units.

<These identifying marks on shell casings are known as "headstamps". According to the analysis

by Sergei Strygin "kam, 67, 19, 41" signifies the Hasag factory in Skarżysko-Kamienna, "67"
the percentage of copper in the bullet, "19" the lot number, and "41" the year of production. "dnh
*, 1, 41" signifies the Dürlach factory, "*" means the shell was jacketed in brass; "1" is the lot
number, and "41" the year of production. One hundred forty-four, or 96% of the 150 shells found,
were of German make and can be dated to 1941.

<The Polish, but not the Ukrainian, report also specifies the shells found in grave No. 2:


<1. "Kam, 67, 19, 41" – 205 units; 2. "dny, *, 1, 41" – 17 units; 3. Shells without markings,

7.62x25 caliber – USSR production of 1930s – 2 units; (one) shell "B , 1906."

<Of 225 shells found in this grave, 205 are the German 1941 "Hasag" type, 17 are the German

1941 "Dürlach" type, 2 are of the unmarked 1930s Soviet type; and one is marked "B 1906."
Hence 98.67% of the shells are of 1941 German manufacture.
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 No.5392

>>5390
yeah, but the problem is that he talks about Volodymyr - Volynski found I talked here>>5386, it was a small prison where nazis massacred people but it is probably unrelated to the incidents we nowadays call "Katyn massacre"

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