/wydna/ - Kantbot, Pseudodoxology, Tankerpills, and Wydna Anonymous 2021-05-12 (Wed) 16:32:33 No. 5684
Seems like there are a few people on leftypol interested in this subject so I thought I'd create a thread dedicated to discussing the Wydna collective and Pseudodoxology podcast
>What is Wydna?
Wydna is a research collective dedicated to reading history through a unique lens. Taking inspiration from Marxism and Accelerationism, Kantbot and other members of the collective dedicate themselves to uncovering the conspiracies, traditions and ideologies that circle the elites of the British and American Empires. Through their podcast, they discuss secret societies, scandals, and factions of the deep state in a fashion considered unconventional to our current interpretation of history.
>That sounds great, where can I learn more?
Their episodes are paywalled, so that's why I'm making this thread. I will be uploading some of their more noteworthy episodes on request here for those who aren't interested in paying the 5$ a month on patreon.
You can listen to their most popular episodes for free on Spotify
And I will be filling this thread with links to episodes I consider noteworthy.
I'll start by uploading their episode on the history of political economy, which is 7 hours, so I'll be breaking the audio up into several parts. This post, OP, contains the first 3.
Anonymous 2021-05-21 (Fri) 20:09:36 No. 5773
can you upload a whole archive ?
or at least a link to a mega/torrent/mediafire with a whole collection of The Pseudodoxology podcasts?
Anonymous 2021-05-21 (Fri) 20:12:03 No. 5774
i noticed the spotify collection isnt up to date
Anonymous 2021-05-21 (Fri) 21:27:31 No. 5775
Robinson Crusoe sounds interesting?
Anonymous 2021-05-21 (Fri) 22:07:00 No. 5776
appreciate this and really enjoying the podcast thanks OP.
(although tbh, you didn't need to split it into 13 parts, which makes it fiddly to listen to)
Anonymous 2021-05-21 (Fri) 22:10:59 No. 5777
Op, is it possible to upload this 7 hour episode as just one file?
Anonymous 2021-06-01 (Tue) 10:03:25 No. 5929
not to leftypol. maybe I’ll make a mega link
Anonymous 2021-06-01 (Tue) 10:11:02 No. 5930
> : ( >Fucking Kant bot shilling the anti-dialectics website on tik tok. I like him overall, but sometimes I want to slap him. Anyways, which episode have you enjoyed? I'm thinking of listening.
Anonymous 2021-06-01 (Tue) 10:27:50 No. 5931
Anonymous 2021-06-01 (Tue) 10:29:14 No. 5932
Robinson Crusoe and RAND Corp are good. I’ll put them in a Mega archive later
Anonymous 2021-06-02 (Wed) 07:17:08 No. 5945
Based. You should upload the whole episodes somewhere.
Anonymous 2021-06-03 (Thu) 01:10:22 No. 5951
I only started listening to this because he started having Edmund Berger on as co-host.
Anonymous 2021-06-03 (Thu) 01:11:36 No. 5952
A mega link would be preferable, please.
Anonymous 2021-06-06 (Sun) 09:34:12 No. 5993
You still going to make that mega link?
Anonymous 2021-06-09 (Wed) 16:16:13 No. 6020
I thought kantbot was a rightoid?
christian_communism Christian Communism
Anonymous 2021-06-09 (Wed) 16:40:16 No. 6021
I think he was some time ago, but apparently not anymore.
He changed his name to fisher_bot for a few months in honor of mark fisher for example.
Anonymous 2021-06-09 (Wed) 17:00:04 No. 6022
Interesting, perhaps this heralds a leftward swing among the anons
christian_communism Christian Communism
Anonymous 2021-06-09 (Wed) 17:25:27 No. 6025
Edburg’s analysis is always based, KB is hit or miss.
Anonymous 2021-06-14 (Mon) 23:47:13 No. 6046
This is the gayest shit I've ever seen
Anonymous 2021-06-19 (Sat) 05:59:09 No. 6078
It is pretty gay, I guess.
Anonymous 2021-06-19 (Sat) 06:00:15 No. 6079
I could listen to Edburg drone about whatever research topic he has going on for days.
Anonymous 2021-06-21 (Mon) 19:12:06 No. 6164
any update on mega link PLEASE
Anonymous 2021-06-21 (Mon) 20:58:46 No. 6165
>>5951 >Edmund Berger
who's this tl;dr?
I listened to the Crusoeu one. It was nice. I like the chillness of the podcast. I feel it's overproduced in an amatuerish way at times, but overall I like the chillness and the non-standard well researched topics.
Anonymous 2021-06-27 (Sun) 10:05:49 No. 6208
>>6025 >KB is hit or miss.
Yeah, I once heard someone describe him as the "most-read idiot in the room" which I think is pretty accurate.
>>6165 >who's this tl;dr?
He's one of the more interesting marxists to come out of the "Post-CCRU" or "Accelerationist" blogosphere (otherwise known as the interesting side of NRx), as well as the #CaveTwitter era (2014-2018). All of his blogs are still up; I'll link them below in chronological order.
And here's his twitter:
Anonymous 2021-06-30 (Wed) 00:46:21 No. 6222
Uh guys, did Marx complete German Idealism?
Anonymous 2021-07-01 (Thu) 15:38:44 No. 6234
Oh, that takes me back.
Anonymous 2021-07-04 (Sun) 19:08:29 No. 6280
where is the collection anon ?
Anonymous 2021-07-05 (Mon) 14:52:05 No. 6341
Any chance of posting logo_daedalus' read books episodes?
Anonymous 2021-07-11 (Sun) 06:02:01 No. 6390
Please someone post the Iran Contra ones
Anonymous 2021-07-11 (Sun) 15:45:02 No. 6397
Lurking in hope I can avoid giving kantbot 5$
Anonymous 2021-07-11 (Sun) 18:08:44 No. 6402
Pseudbros please….. I also would like to listen to the Iran Contra episode.
Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 20:30:38 No. 6620
And the Watergate one, where's the files
Anonymous 2021-08-21 (Sat) 18:48:34 No. 6877
Someone post it please
Anonymous 2021-08-27 (Fri) 21:29:44 No. 6912
we really need the mega link
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 14:37:20 No. 6922
I’m dying out here Pseudbros….
Anonymous 2021-09-13 (Mon) 15:40:19 No. 7014
New ~free~ episode just dropped with KB, Edburg, and Haz discussing topics such as Fascism, Heidegger, Hitler, and Mongol universality.
Anonymous 2021-09-13 (Mon) 18:37:13 No. 7016
Is it any good? I saw the haz interview with KB on infrared. It was alright.
Anonymous 2021-09-21 (Tue) 07:04:18 No. 7056
From what I remember there’s a way to write a pattern link to get all the episodes? Was this patched? Also any update on the mega
Anonymous 2021-09-25 (Sat) 05:34:59 No. 7289
Here are all the episodes I have:
Episode 37: 'Part 5?'
Episode 37: 'Bonus Appendix Posts from the EdMASTER'
Episode 40: 'A Masterpiece of Political Economy'
Episode 41: 'The Newfoundland Episode' (Parts 1-4)
Anonymous 2021-09-25 (Sat) 05:37:55 No. 7290
I got most of these
when someone posted a shanny.tools link to the internet general earlier this year, but that hasn't worked for many months now.
Anonymous 2021-09-26 (Sun) 15:53:42 No. 7465
Thanks for uploading and the info. You a good dude 🤙🏻
Anonymous 2021-09-26 (Sun) 19:50:19 No. 7467
You're welcome! If someone could provide the missing episodes / posts then it would be much appreciated. I'll be sure to add em.
Anonymous 2021-09-26 (Sun) 22:14:49 No. 7468
Based! Thank you anon.
Anonymous 2021-09-27 (Mon) 14:04:21 No. 7471
yw; I forgot to mention the folder is nearly 4gb lol
Anonymous 2021-10-03 (Sun) 21:41:35 No. 7832
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 15:03:09 No. 7974
I really love this Engels quote they use in the intro of the Iran Contra episode.
“Since the last general crisis of 1867 many profound changes have taken place. The colossal expansion of the means of transportation and communication — ocean liners, railways, electrical telegraphy, the Suez Canal — has made a real world-market a fact. The former monopoly of England in industry has been challenged by a number of competing industrial countries; infinitely greater and varied fields have been opened in all parts of the world for the investment of surplus European capital, so that it is far more widely distributed and local over-speculation may be more easily overcome. By means of all this, most of the old breeding-grounds of crises and opportunities for their development have been eliminated or strongly reduced. At the same time, competition in the domestic market recedes before the cartels and trusts, while in the foreign market it is restricted by protective tariffs, with which all major industrial countries, England excepted, surround themselves. But these protective tariffs are nothing but preparations for the ultimate general industrial war, which shall decide who has supremacy on the world-market.”
Anonymous 2021-10-14 (Thu) 07:39:44 No. 8100
Logo is actually a pseud and he's definitely the weak link of the WYDNA crowd; that screencap will never not be funny.
Anonymous 2021-12-18 (Sat) 14:22:52 No. 8952
Kantbot is such a fucking pseud. Watching him try to "debate" Nick Land over twitter was one of the most embarrassing things I'd ever seen
Anonymous 2022-04-11 (Mon) 19:07:00 No. 10355
What was even more embarrassing was when he mediated a debate between Nick Land and Richard Spencer.
Anonymous 2022-04-11 (Mon) 19:08:02 No. 10356
(Land just sounded pretty bored by Spencer which, lol)
Anonymous 2022-07-01 (Fri) 22:38:44 No. 11159
well, close to everything; has most of the recent stuff
Anonymous 2022-07-02 (Sat) 08:25:19 No. 11164
Kantbot is pretentious but he's a pretty smart guy, like it or not.
Anonymous 2022-08-21 (Sun) 01:21:01 No. 11454
I just want to spill my guts about KB because I've been following his stuff for about 5 years and it's way too bizarre to share with my normie life.
Basically, I have one of those overeducated PMC asshole jobs. I know, I suck. I'm surrounded by social Liberalism 24/7 so I often get into deranged conspiracy/pseud crap. It's overcompensating in some way, I'm sure. Anyway, I find the arc of KB to be fascinating. KF treats him like a lolcow but he hasn't done anything very self-degrading and for that I think really represents a hope that alt-right weirdos can take the pipeline. Essentially, I find his left turn to be sincere, although it's probably just motivated by his spectrum-y need to have obsessive epiphanies. The way that KB is doing his "research" is shit at the level of source quality and critical history, but the method he's generating in the process is fascinating. More on that next.
Anonymous 2022-08-21 (Sun) 03:03:14 No. 11455
So if I had to sum up the main "finding" of KB's "research", it would be to say that he identifies intentional agency where normal history finds inert crap, and inert crap where others find intentional agency. But this leads KB down the rabbit trail of of Jim Garrison-style paranoia with no real insight. And in many of the cases where he goes at very established areas, KB usually just repeats the paranoid red-string charts of people like LaRouche.
The WYDNA group shines, however, in their willingness to dive deep on issues adjacent to primary research (even if they can't really do primary research on many topics) and connect it to the high theory of the classical enlightenment. KBs chops are legit when it comes to Kant, Herder, and the 18th century novel. Every insight he makes that draws back to German Idealism (like his acosmism spiel) is really rock-solid. This kind of leads me to KB's method. He's been trying to teach himself critical bibliography, code, and to a lesser degree, postscholastic rhetoric. At some level he recognizes that all the red-string diagramming he's doing can be boiled down to association and abductive reasoning. This is the part that's actually the interesting tension in KB's work: he can explain the whole rationale of a priori reasoning etc etc but when it comes to this show, he is doing a massive gonzo historiography. So there's this romantic irony under the hood that reminds me of Borges. Furthermore, I can't think of any other source that can do these playful interludes, like Parzifal and All Quiet, or Dune and Iran-Contra. KB is a genuinely funny guy when he gets to do a gimmick. I do have complaints. More on that next.
Anonymous 2022-08-23 (Tue) 19:08:15 No. 11495
Let me make some petty complaints about the podcast: basically, it's too much of a rant delivered by the hyperfixated. KB gets very compressed speech that's hard to follow. Ed is great and gives a deliberate, steady unraveling of an argument, but he's not structuring the pod.
Ed also needs to stop recording in noisy spaces. It's audio garbage.
For that matter, complex networks lend themselves to 2d graphic display, NOT narrative. It's next to impossible to narrate the interrelations of the many networks that wydna covers, and they don't rise to the challenge. Every episode is a kind of soup of hard-to-track references. Multiple listens (of 8hr podcasts) are necessary.
I should also mention that Logo is pure deadwood. He's the real pseud in the pack, and it shows painfully. He's too interested in being cool and defining a novel aesthetic.
The wydna pod needs a heavy story edit every time. They need a writing consultant who turns the annotated bibliography into a structured, deliberate account. I think Ed might be able to do it, but I think KB would never allow it because he drives a lot of pressure from his stimmed-out,compressed, hyperfixation rants.
Anonymous 2022-08-31 (Wed) 07:47:22 No. 11583
The anti-dialectics website is good though. This woman is absolutely destroying pseuds that defend dialectics
Anonymous 2022-11-15 (Tue) 10:25:47 No. 12019
so what do these people believe?
Anonymous 2023-08-08 (Tue) 18:37:38 No. 20145
They basically believe every industrial conspiracy that was floated i>>11495
n the 20th century but which never broke through to normie thought. And layered on top of that, KB basically believes in postmodern sociology.
They believe a LOT in industrial coordination through uncomplicated corporate backrooms. They believe that this stuff tends to overlap with a variety of counterrevolutionary paramilitary projects and the intel community. For example, most of the theories they entertain about the JFK assassination orbit around the intersection of rightwing cuban mobsters and the CIA.
They believe a variety of conspiracy theories about a variety of wars being rackets, conducted for purposes other than what they . This combines with the corporate theories to furnish a bunch of follow-on theories about military and paramilitary politics in the 20th century.
They believe in a bunch of German media theory, basically meaning that they think the base-superstructure relationship runs through very straightforward information technologies like filing cabinets, the information architecture of PDFs, and so on. They love to pay attention to the models that are/were used by big corporate interests, even at the level of Words Fair-style depictions.
Anonymous 2023-08-08 (Tue) 19:33:55 No. 20146
Anonymous 2023-08-08 (Tue) 19:41:11 No. 20147
> factions of the deep state thats cool that theres a whole podcast speculating this, I asked a similar question on /USA/pol and we p much all agreed that yankees and cowboys was cool but outdated and we really don't know.
Anonymous 2023-11-15 (Wed) 17:24:18 No. 20946
One of the main things that Pseudcast talked about in this area had to do with the
development of a particular segment of the OSS that had been stationed in China, OSS Detachment 101. That group grew and morphed into an important faction in the early CIA where they acted on a lot of connections with the "China Lobby" – basically, the group of rich interests interested in returning Chiang Kai-shek to power. Nixon eventually ran afoul of this group.
The other important faction that Pseudcast talks about develops out of the private surveillance networks facilitated by firms including Sullivan & Cromwell, etc. There were a lot of early intelligence networks run by lawyers, bankers, and in one case some engineers. The basic concept here was that it was important for these to coordinate the mega-projects of the industrial era, like building the Suez Canal. These people were the original Non-Official Cover intel agents, though that practice continues to the present day.
Kantbot doesn't explicitly make this case, but the "China Lobby" types can be seen most directly exercising influence in the postwar era. Nixon turns on them and their fingerprints can be seen on things like the Chennault Affair and Watergate. It seems like the "last hurrah" for this group was Iran-Contra, although I'm still hazy on what KB's read on that was.
My memory is hazy, but I think the thing that they say mainly about Iran-Contra is that Peter Dale Scott theory – that wherever you see a circuit of oil and guns, you'll also find drugs running along the same lines. So Kantbot gets really wrapped up in demonstrating that there were these deep ties between Latin American death squads, their training camps in the US, and the currents of the drug trade that go into places like Arkansas. He focuses a lot on the elicit transit networks, but I can't really remember how this relates to Iran other than the way that it parallels tankers.
By the 80s, KB thinks that the vibe around the CIA changes to a much more business-y, technocratic atmosphere.So the Sullivan & Cromwell types win.
Anonymous 2023-11-15 (Wed) 17:31:52 No. 20947
Maybe a simpler way to talk about it is that Kantbot thinks that the deep state works by structuring information.
In spycraft, there's a lot of good reason to create information silos – divide up a complex task into discrete parts and run each thing in parallel so that no one else has all the information to put together the entire operation. This is a lot of thinking, so Kantbot tends to believe that the intel services will use similar "playbooks" or patterns across multiple operations. And since a whole plan gets modularized, it also makes sense for the planners to build in things like redundancies. So one of the things that Kantbot gets caught up on are all of these "doubles" that happen around various plots. He sees lots of assets that get spun up and spun down circulating around the more famous plots, and he sees this as evidence that the planners / plotters were working with redundancies and failsafes.
The flip side of this is that Kantbot doesn't think that these structures of information can be reconstructed directly from evidence, because all of that evidence is broken up, but that there have to be some pretty heavy heuristic choices involved. In other words, you have to use something like "The Secret Team" as a cipher for reading and interpreting complex events. This is a huge move on Kantbot's part, because it means that he's basically working deductively – he has his models, and then he searches out evidence to fit his models. And he spends a lot of time looking at and thinking about the things that people use as/for models, such as the architecture of PDFs.
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