/wydna/ - Kantbot, Pseudodoxology, Tankerpills, and Wydna Anonymous 12-05-21 16:32:33 No. 5684
Seems like there are a few people on leftypol interested in this subject so I thought I'd create a thread dedicated to discussing the Wydna collective and Pseudodoxology podcast
>What is Wydna? Wydna is a research collective dedicated to reading history through a unique lens. Taking inspiration from Marxism and Accelerationism, Kantbot and other members of the collective dedicate themselves to uncovering the conspiracies, traditions and ideologies that circle the elites of the British and American Empires. Through their podcast, they discuss secret societies, scandals, and factions of the deep state in a fashion considered unconventional to our current interpretation of history.
>That sounds great, where can I learn more? Their episodes are paywalled, so that's why I'm making this thread. I will be uploading some of their more noteworthy episodes on request here for those who aren't interested in paying the 5$ a month on patreon.
You can listen to their most popular episodes for free on Spotify
https://open.spotify.com/show/45p4IYDT96zuulXl1oH5wW?si=4uuH0B85RjWbbqdEmnwQkw And I will be filling this thread with links to episodes I consider noteworthy.
I'll start by uploading their episode on the history of political economy, which is 7 hours, so I'll be breaking the audio up into several parts. This post, OP, contains the first 3.
Anonymous 09-06-21 16:40:16 No. 6021
>>6020 I think he was some time ago, but apparently not anymore.
He changed his name to fisher_bot for a few months in honor of mark fisher for example.
Anonymous 21-06-21 20:58:46 No. 6165
>>5951 >Edmund Berger who's this tl;dr?
I listened to the Crusoeu one. It was nice. I like the chillness of the podcast. I feel it's overproduced in an amatuerish way at times, but overall I like the chillness and the non-standard well researched topics.
>>6046 wdym? -.-
Anonymous 27-06-21 10:05:49 No. 6208
>>6025 >KB is hit or miss. Yeah, I once heard someone describe him as the "most-read idiot in the room" which I think is pretty accurate.
>>6165 >who's this tl;dr? He's one of the more interesting marxists to come out of the "Post-CCRU" or "Accelerationist" blogosphere (otherwise known as the interesting side of NRx), as well as the #CaveTwitter era (2014-2018). All of his blogs are still up; I'll link them below in chronological order.
https://deterritorialinvestigations.wordpress.com/ (2012-2018)
https://disubunit22.wordpress.com/ (2017-2019)
https://reciprocalcontradiction.home.blog/ (2019-Present)
And here's his twitter:
https://twitter.com/EBBerger Anonymous 13-09-21 18:37:13 No. 7016
>>7014 >Haz Bruh…
Is it any good? I saw the haz interview with KB on infrared. It was alright.
Anonymous 25-09-21 05:34:59 No. 7289
>>6912 Here are all the episodes I have:
https://mega.nz/folder/3oVjWYxC#dzzRha18iVLd4PjCSFtWqA What's missing:
Episode 37: 'Part 5?'
Episode 37: 'Bonus Appendix Posts from the EdMASTER'
Episode 40: 'A Masterpiece of Political Economy'
Episode 41: 'The Newfoundland Episode' (Parts 1-4)
Anonymous 25-09-21 05:37:55 No. 7290
>>7056 I got most of these
>>7289 when someone posted a shanny.tools link to the internet general earlier this year, but that hasn't worked for many months now.
Anonymous 07-10-21 15:03:09 No. 7974
I really love this Engels quote they use in the intro of the Iran Contra episode.
Anonymous 21-08-22 03:03:14 No. 11455
So if I had to sum up the main "finding" of KB's "research", it would be to say that he identifies intentional agency where normal history finds inert crap, and inert crap where others find intentional agency. But this leads KB down the rabbit trail of of Jim Garrison-style paranoia with no real insight. And in many of the cases where he goes at very established areas, KB usually just repeats the paranoid red-string charts of people like LaRouche.
Anonymous 23-08-22 19:08:15 No. 11495
>>11455 Let me make some petty complaints about the podcast: basically, it's too much of a rant delivered by the hyperfixated. KB gets very compressed speech that's hard to follow. Ed is great and gives a deliberate, steady unraveling of an argument, but he's not structuring the pod.
Ed also needs to stop recording in noisy spaces. It's audio garbage.
For that matter, complex networks lend themselves to 2d graphic display, NOT narrative. It's next to impossible to narrate the interrelations of the many networks that wydna covers, and they don't rise to the challenge. Every episode is a kind of soup of hard-to-track references. Multiple listens (of 8hr podcasts) are necessary.
I should also mention that Logo is pure deadwood. He's the real pseud in the pack, and it shows painfully. He's too interested in being cool and defining a novel aesthetic.
The wydna pod needs a heavy story edit every time. They need a writing consultant who turns the annotated bibliography into a structured, deliberate account. I think Ed might be able to do it, but I think KB would never allow it because he drives a lot of pressure from his stimmed-out,compressed, hyperfixation rants.
Anonymous 08-08-23 18:37:38 No. 20145
>>12019 They basically believe every industrial conspiracy that was floated i>>11495
n the 20th century but which never broke through to normie thought. And layered on top of that, KB basically believes in postmodern sociology.
They believe a LOT in industrial coordination through uncomplicated corporate backrooms. They believe that this stuff tends to overlap with a variety of counterrevolutionary paramilitary projects and the intel community. For example, most of the theories they entertain about the JFK assassination orbit around the intersection of rightwing cuban mobsters and the CIA.
They believe a variety of conspiracy theories about a variety of wars being rackets, conducted for purposes other than what they . This combines with the corporate theories to furnish a bunch of follow-on theories about military and paramilitary politics in the 20th century.
They believe in a bunch of German media theory, basically meaning that they think the base-superstructure relationship runs through very straightforward information technologies like filing cabinets, the information architecture of PDFs, and so on. They love to pay attention to the models that are/were used by big corporate interests, even at the level of Words Fair-style depictions.
Anonymous 15-11-23 17:24:18 No. 20946
>>20147 One of the main things that Pseudcast talked about in this area had to do with the
development of a particular segment of the OSS that had been stationed in China, OSS Detachment 101. That group grew and morphed into an important faction in the early CIA where they acted on a lot of connections with the "China Lobby" – basically, the group of rich interests interested in returning Chiang Kai-shek to power. Nixon eventually ran afoul of this group.
The other important faction that Pseudcast talks about develops out of the private surveillance networks facilitated by firms including Sullivan & Cromwell, etc. There were a lot of early intelligence networks run by lawyers, bankers, and in one case some engineers. The basic concept here was that it was important for these to coordinate the mega-projects of the industrial era, like building the Suez Canal. These people were the original Non-Official Cover intel agents, though that practice continues to the present day.
Kantbot doesn't explicitly make this case, but the "China Lobby" types can be seen most directly exercising influence in the postwar era. Nixon turns on them and their fingerprints can be seen on things like the Chennault Affair and Watergate. It seems like the "last hurrah" for this group was Iran-Contra, although I'm still hazy on what KB's read on that was.
My memory is hazy, but I think the thing that they say mainly about Iran-Contra is that Peter Dale Scott theory – that wherever you see a circuit of oil and guns, you'll also find drugs running along the same lines. So Kantbot gets really wrapped up in demonstrating that there were these deep ties between Latin American death squads, their training camps in the US, and the currents of the drug trade that go into places like Arkansas. He focuses a lot on the elicit transit networks, but I can't really remember how this relates to Iran other than the way that it parallels tankers.
By the 80s, KB thinks that the vibe around the CIA changes to a much more business-y, technocratic atmosphere.So the Sullivan & Cromwell types win.
Anonymous 15-11-23 17:31:52 No. 20947
>>20145 Maybe a simpler way to talk about it is that Kantbot thinks that the deep state works by structuring information.
In spycraft, there's a lot of good reason to create information silos – divide up a complex task into discrete parts and run each thing in parallel so that no one else has all the information to put together the entire operation. This is a lot of thinking, so Kantbot tends to believe that the intel services will use similar "playbooks" or patterns across multiple operations. And since a whole plan gets modularized, it also makes sense for the planners to build in things like redundancies. So one of the things that Kantbot gets caught up on are all of these "doubles" that happen around various plots. He sees lots of assets that get spun up and spun down circulating around the more famous plots, and he sees this as evidence that the planners / plotters were working with redundancies and failsafes.
The flip side of this is that Kantbot doesn't think that these structures of information can be reconstructed directly from evidence, because all of that evidence is broken up, but that there have to be some pretty heavy heuristic choices involved. In other words, you have to use something like "The Secret Team" as a cipher for reading and interpreting complex events. This is a huge move on Kantbot's part, because it means that he's basically working deductively – he has his models, and then he searches out evidence to fit his models. And he spends a lot of time looking at and thinking about the things that people use as/for models, such as the architecture of PDFs.
Anonymous 22-05-24 04:11:38 No. 22143
>>20968 lol I wish
Purple monkey dishwasher
I have spent hours listening to KB/wydna and thinking about his overall project. Can't say I'm proud of it, but that's the truth. He's an interesting if frustrating dude. At some level his intellectual commitments are just, like, German media theory and the sociology of knowledge. But at another level he's got this completely shamelessness that lets him dick around with frog twitter and that intersection is basically where his interesting shit comes from.
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