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 No.23683

There was an abortion of a thread in the main leftypol. This is for discussing W40k from a leftist reading, sort of Sigmarxist lite.

Interestingly enough, first, the Imperium is actually a great deconstruction of how booj and sheeple in the first world can justify their imperialism and inhumanity. Basically, you have folk justifying child soldiers, lobotomizing dissidents, etc, just because if they didn't do it, either AI or Xenos would overrun the Imperium.

A second focus of conversation might be Genestealer Cults as a deconstruction of proletarian revolts.

 No.23673

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Are genestealers a valid satire of all the left-wing movements in human history? I suppose not, because genestealers actually succeed.

Also, as an aside, if the cost of destroying capitalism was being nom-nommed by genestealers, would you support a genestealer cult?

 No.23674

>>>games/

 No.23675

Stop stealing my genes

 No.23676


 No.23677

Not to be rude, newfriend but In the future take this nonsense '*hits bong* what if?' questions to /b/ anon. Also lurk more.

 No.23678

the tau are the communists in warhammer but i'd settle for chaos too. the tyranids are actually capitalist because they are soulless expansionists who only care about resource extraction.

 No.23679

>>23677

Actually, good GSC fiction hits all the notes for "oppressed destroy their oppressors" type fiction.

It's incredibly useful because the War40k-verse is generally satire, including of their fandom (the assholes supporting the Imperium are basically the assholes who support Booj Western imperialism). On the other hand, genestealers seem to be intended to be quite often a satire of leftist revolutionaries, except without the incompetence.

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The interesting thing about GSC vis-a-vis other factions is that the GSC actually thrives in Imperial hive cities and forge worlds, given that hive cities and forge worlds are often dystopian nightmares (with soylent green to reduce food costs). Meanwhile, the Genestealer Curse and Brood Mind can attract fellow travellers who are aware of the sheer horror of imperial hive cities and forge worlds, and it's obvious that they're intended as a satire of proletarian revolts.

You could say, though, that the GSC don't deliver proletarian paradises, only the prospect of being nom-nom-nommed by Tyranids, but in reality, we have yet to see a successful leftwing revolt that's brought sincere, theoretical communism, and quite often the revolution ends up devouring its own.

 No.23680

>>23679

Sometimes in good GSC fiction, you are probably better off being nom-nom-nommed by nids than being oppressed by your Imperial rulers.

In the context of leftypol, how many of you are willing to be devoured by nids (and have everyone else be devoured by nids) simply to see capitalism gone?

There is, quite possibly, an extreme form of Marxism which is nihilist. That is to say, you hate capitalism so much you're willing to toss yourself into the bonfire, even if there's no communist utopia as a result.

 No.23681

>>23680
ideologically speaking it'd be best to turn to chaos in the warhammer universe, but personally speaking it'd be hottest to be brainwashed by a genestealer cult and raped constantly in a state of bliss until my inevitable death.

 No.23682

>>23681

Shall we take this to /games/? Regretfully, there's like no one here who understands how GSC is often a deconstruction of proletarian revolts.

 No.23685

>>23682
Theory is theory
What how?

 No.23686

>>23681

Also, Jesus, what is it with women, Hivestrain Azure, and Genestealers? Apparently typical female War40k players tend to play Tyranids and GSC, and have some horrible fetish for it.

You're not the first one to discuss being raped to death by GSC.

 No.23688

Ok spill

 No.23690

>>23686
>hivestrain azure
is that a… a… t-tyranid erotica short story…? thank you for introducing me to it! :D
also since you're wondering, it's because if you're constantly being raped and dominated then it means you dont have to deal with the responsibility or hassle of like, working a job and shit. sure you'll never be smart or able to think for yourself again, but it's not like you'd do that anyway!

 No.23691

>>23686
To be fair, Tyranids seems to be one of the main targets of horny thoughts.

 No.23693

>>23691

among men or women in general?

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 No.23695

>>23693
Realistically everyone would prefer to only think of the immediate positive implications of orgies but certain people would be more likely to try to figure out whether living like that long-term would be worth the planet-wide cannibalization of everything living there wrt the sexiness of the immediate situation…

 No.23696

>>23695

i actually assume the men get cut out of GSC; the GSC men are more lotharios whose job is to knock up uninfected women.

Women, on the other hand, end up getting bred by hybrids etc, to provide the appropriate generation of hybrid required.

 No.23697

>>23673
I’ve never liked war hammer
Not because of its lore but because of its aesthetics making the lore look really childish. Like think about it
The imperial guard being dressed in conventional uniforms with supplies and camos only to then have space marines and templars look like football players with gas masks running around
Or the orks being generally scrappy but dangerous but then being accompanied by weapons and gear that look so undeniably “toy like” it doesn’t feel scrappy at all, much less resemble a piece of equipment. Or just the fact that they’re green instead of fleshy like the master from fallout 1 which would make them much creepier
The tyranids are alright though they’re genuinely the only normal looking faction lore wise
But you get my point. I really hate the art design being to colourful and cartoonish compared to the writing

 No.23698

>>23697
Games workshop is famous for how retarded they are in storytelling, completely lacking dialectical progression. It's literally a tabletop game so of course it's also toy like.

 No.23699

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>>23697
there are exceptions to the rule, especially with 9E, but it does make more sense to see space marines as less supersoldiers and more super-football hooligans

 No.27366

Warhammer 40k is an expensive board game made by some limeys to burn the bank accounts of Nazi Redditors with laughably marked-up plastic molds and acrylic paints

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 No.30047

>>23697
40k lore has a contradiction between the lore that is just a balls to the wall satire of the thatcher regime and dArK aNd grItTy super duper serious shit but for alot of people(myself included) thats part of the appeal. The whole point of grimdark aesthetic is to have lore to dark and horrific that it just loops back around into be cheesy either intentionally or unintentionally

 No.30081

>>30047
the problem is that 40k seems to be trending more and more towards trying to justify everything instead of presenting it as satire, to the extent that I would say a majority of players are rightoids

 No.30082

>>30081
This shit doesn’t happen. It really doesn’t and never has.

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 No.30154

>>30081
no it doesn't,the majority of players play with their too expensive toys and don't have any political opinion,just like the majority of the population.
not even /tg/ is that obsessed with rightoids ideas.

 No.30159

>>30082
it happens occasionally but the far right warhammer mfers are porlly not gonna be in your FLGS(thank christ) just cuz they don't touch grass in general. the only far right grass touchers I know of are the Aryan Brotherhood

 No.34181

Anyone here played Rogue Trader cRPG? I want to give it a try because I heard it lets me play as a psycher and flirt with chaos, but the game came out in less than ideal state, so how is the current state?

 No.34187

>>30154
>no it doesn't,the majority of players play with their too expensive toys and don't have any political opinion,just like the majority of the population.

Most people aren't particularly interested in politics but that doesn't mean they don't fundamentally lean liberal or conservative.

 No.34213

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Fact: Leagues of Votann are actually existing cyber communism

 No.34214

>>34181
Much better than when it first came out, get Toybox to fix the still broken stuff just in case.

 No.34219

>>34213
squatmunism

 No.34246

>>34181
This is literally one of the best crpgs I played already and I am barely past prologue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_25eAN2fo14
Like, my God dude

Also I should emphasize that due to this entire game universe being set up in the 1980s that while it is a direct rebuke of Thatcherite bullshit and policies [spoiler]keep in mind GW is literally British, the tongue in cheek poking fun at reactionaries routinely goes over their retarded Poes Law heads[/spoiler] but it was also quite clearly premised more off of Soviet stuff, given that again, 1980s.

Like the emperor of mankind is quite literally Space Stalin. That's the whole hilarious thing about the lore, Lorgar basically found out the hard way that Emprah is not only a dick he's also full of shit, and that is especially hilarious that the entire false, heretical Ecclesiarchy was literally made up by a fucking heretic traitor who helped start the Horus Heresy partly because the Emprah DESPISED religion in all its forms. There's a great part in the fluff where the Emperor hunts down and burns to death the last living priest on planet Earth. How in the fuck a bunch of reactionaries can like that is beyond me, but what I usually found is they're literally too retarded and pigshit ignorant (like all else) to know any better, and so they trundle along blithely thinking this setting agrees with them and their xenophobia. It's just priceless to me because the fake ass pseudo Catholic theme, if you actually know and understand the lore, the Emperor himself would literally murder the entire Ecclesiarchy and purge the fuck out of anybody else who supported it and had the audacity to worship him as a god or replace science and the glorification of rational secularism with religious superstition. It was quite literally a shitty, degraded version of Space Sovietism, it's basically if the space USSR grew so corrupt that someone made a state sanctioned church to worship Mao or Stalin as a god after they died. It's literally North Korea tier. That's part of the irony too, is it's actually one of the most shitty imperialistic societies out there, in much the same way as, who was it Orwell? That one author who was Socialist got horrified at the betrayal of Socialist values by the Stalinist crew. Oh and also that the gods are actually real, they just suck. A lot. HARD. One of them literally. So the whole thing with Lorgar and the history of the Ecclesiarchy, the Word Bearers, and the true beliefs and ideology of the Emperor of Mankind is fucking hysterical to me seeing a bunch of clueless fatso burger chewing Qboomers parade around. In very very much exactly the same way as that entire setting devolved into people the now encased in a throne basically corpse emperor is helpless to do anything about people claiming to speak for him who he personally would absolutely fucking despise and stand for everything he was against.

My fucking god the community is complete CANCER though. Like just trying to find one–ONE!–a single one of the videos of the Navigator fight is all fucking cancer. I absolutely hate the warhammer community by and large. Fucking dickweeds so much of the time. There is a ton of shit on youtube so far and not one of them doesn't have some guy reading to me (which I absolutely hate) and none has the fully voice acted one. It's a shame, the fully VA'd Navigator fight is one of the more memorable moments in an RPG to me. It's really well written, as per usual with Owlcat.

 No.34247

>>34181
oh shit sorry and I didn't even answer your question, so far so good and I just really love Owlcat. I want them to actually have my money. But I also adore Slavic devs. Mainly, because for whatever strange reason they don't fucking suck like Western corpos, probly due to something called SOUL. Anyway I haven't noticed fuckery yet but supposedly that shit all come at act 4 or something. The first half was fine before, it may be fixed now anyway. Oh and also. Yes this is true, you get Iconoclast, Puritan, and Heretic. There's a choice I made that I literally didn't realize was gonna get me cut by a cursed warp artifact, I now am haunted by a demon. That, to be fair, I took for darkest hour accidentalyl having something to do with a heretical cult. This works really superbly for me, as I like to have an actual personal story arc and struggle with my characters, something that made some games like KOTOR more memorable by not knowing I was the big R, and drifting to the dark side, or VTMB and its whole deal, or even FNV slowly making me cold and callous just by dealing with wastelanders. It's something I particularly adore about RPGs, the ones that actually give you the option to have that kind of terrible push and pull temptation, the inward struggle against darkness and tyranny. Not just as a narrative plot, but truly having it incorporated in both headcanon and gameplay choices, and this game let's me really start off by being a crime lord with accidental flirtations with chaos that I used the devout voice, and got heretical and imperial tattoos. I want this character to struggle, even without being a psyker. And yeah you can do the psyker thing too.

I have no idea how all this works in gameplay as I not far yet, however this being Owlcat game will give you many such options including eventually alienating your party. Of the starting few, you have an iconoclast, a puritan, and a heretic (Tlas Idira and Argenta don't get along, Sister Argenta absolutely despises Idira and all psykers like her sanctioned or not so I'm pretty sure you'll lose your big gun sister of battle companion by going down that path)

>>30082
It's called the Ultramarines and Matt Ward and yes it does and yes it's fuckin retarded. Stupid mfers, you know, all that is Ultramar and Roboute and that shit is so fuckin cringey I swear to God. It's like that one part that is trying to make them unironically heroic and the good guys. Considering the Servitor thing alone I have no idea how they can possibly try and make the Imperium like good guys. It's sad, but the moronic American public is too fucking stupid to appreciate satire.

 No.34248

>>23673
>left wing
Genestealers are quite LITERALLY how reactionary bullshit establishmentarians operate. Remember the Tea Party and Tea Party Express? Remember how those corpo RNC ghouls tried hijacking Anonymous and the whole "we are legion" thing for their teabaggotry?

Although I always thought the Trump thing hilarious because he's clearly of the ruinous powers trying to take down the imperium, cause a civil war, and spread the coof, the gift of Nurgle among his retarded followers.

>would I support

The fuck kind of full retard question even is that?
No, I don't support being assimilated into the same coopting corporatist hive which has coopted literally everything, even to the point of selling pretorn jeans for fucking 200$ USD that we would get that way by just being working poor. I swear the fucking commercialization and coopting of the working class is one of the most obnoxious fucking things.

>>23678
More or less how the fuck is Chaos remotely Socialistic though? They're literally egotists, fully self absorbed narcissists without any real code or honour well except maybe Khorne. I mean I guess maybe in the sense that many anarchists claim to be pro-communal pro-Social but realistically they aren't that kind of anarchist.

>>23679
A lot of genestealer cults hide by pretending to be worshipers of the emperor. And try to skirt by the law and notice by being as goody twoshoes publicly as possible while subverting all the systems. They're way more like the fascists tbh. Like, it's to the point where an inquisitor can basically just write off yet another failed uprising on some hive city as the type of failed leftist Decembrist type stupid shit incompetence uprising that is no more heretical than it is xeno.

It is usually the mark of a much more sinister force when they actually start to succeed and are expertly choreographed. Like just the events of Rogue Trader itself and how you came to be the Lord Captain is pretty much directly the way almost all Chaos cults and heretical plots and schemes work, in similar way to how genestealer cults basically work. I suppose it could be argued for chaos though, but for Genestealers? Not really. They are at best, poking fun at the kind of Islamist revolutionaries in Tehran and all the religious zealots being backed by hostile powers with alien ideologies, like what was done to/in Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Iraq, etc.

>successful

Vietnam. Also Cuba. Also Haiti is a great case in point of what these vindictive antihuman cunts like the French and bankers do to successful slave rebellions.

>>23681
I just don't like the totality of it, of the complete and utter annihilation of ALL. Like, that's something you just don't get in anything else, there's always some kind of gambit and therefore a possibility that you can have a niece or nephew survive the concentration camps, the old drinking buddy at least made it out alive. Like in the Nazi campaign of terrorism against the East, at least one kid might make it out of a barn or not be rounded up and shot by the Nazis. Here there is 100% guarantee NO ONE makes it; that is antithetical to all my biological drives and imperatives. Someone [i]must[/i] make it.

In truth though it's probably the better ending, because let's face it becoming a Servitor, or going to Commoragh, or being taken by Chaos willingly or not, all are literally fates worse than death. YES this absolutely includes chaos and I'd like to point out no one ever highlights the fact Slaanesh was birthed to existence in baby rape. Like, all that torture shit is vanilla, you really think some bondage sex parties brought the Eldar down? That's the *lure* to the darkness of evil vileness that is Slaanesh, it's literally the most solipsistic, narcissistic, impulse driven and in a real sense it's much mroe like a combination of being a clinical psychopath and a drug addict. The fact is you are BORED, ALL the time in Slaanesh. Moreover you're constantly also withdrawing. Like you need constant nonstop loudness, nonstop noise, nonstop pain, nonstop stimuli, even five minutes without entertainment is hell on earth. It's difficult describing true ennui, but there's a scope of this that can be understood through heavy enough drug use where, I don't know how to explain this, seconds tick to eternity as your inward hollowness screams at you through an abyss of deafening silence. It is indescribable what going sober and clean actually feels like, it's a fulltime job. Now imagine that. Now realize that literally the Eldar were only starting down the dark path to decadence and degeneracy when they began abducting random people off the street to literally make snuff porn. Like they were just murdering random innocent civilians for sexual and sadistic kicks, it was basically becoming Patrick Bateman as a society. All the while this becomes more depraved and degenerate, GW leaves it to your imagination but it's pretty clear they were torturing, raping, and murdering baby Eldar, who let's face it they didn't see as a big deal because Eldar got reborn. That's the level of depravity–baby rape. It makes Epstein look innocent. Slaanesh is not a sex and rock and roll cult, that's basically the lure the same way you get baited in by this decadent degnerative Western society to destroying yourself mind body asnd soul "for rock and roll" really you're being used and exploited becoming some junkie heroin addict meth head and there's only darkness and lack of love down that tunnel.

It's not a state of bliss, and rape isn't supposed to be fun. In a lot of ways Slaanesh is actually the worst fate out of all the chaos gods. Some argue Nurgle is the best, but I'd argue Tzeentch is best because by the time you've well and truly fucked up and your paranoia got the better of you and all schemes failed as you become a gibbering mass of flesh, I don't think that chaos spawn is too self aware at this point. You are most decidedly VERY aware in the torture of Slaanesh, Dark Eldar, or various other things. I don't know how much servitors are aware, I think they're not, but I question what little piece of that person is still left.


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