A historical survey of Marxism and queer life, from the young Soviet Union to Stalinist homophobia.
For decades, common sense dictated that Marxism focused solely on class antagonisms and ignored other forms of oppression, like the oppression of women, people of color, and LGBTQ+ people. Indeed, many of those claiming the mantle of Marxism, from those in the Stalinist tradition to the social democratic tradition — including even the present-day Democratic Socialists of America — downplayed the importance of special oppression and maintained an economistic strategy that benefited only the upper strata of the working class. But the reactionary positions of Stalinism and social democracy on sexual and gender oppression do not reflect the legacy of Marxism in the slightest, as a look into the history of the revolutionary workers movement shows. Rather, revolutionary socialism in Russia, with the October Revolution, led the way toward a radical change in the material and ideological foundations of LGBTQ+ discrimination. Reactionary deviations occurred when parties and organizations, despite their socialist self-image, abandoned the revolutionary horizon and tried to come to terms with the capitalist world. This historical insight can help us clarify what kind of politics we need for emancipation today with a new onslaught of attacks on the rights of queer people, particularly in the United States, the world’s most advanced capitalist “democracy.”
The Bolshevik Advance
In the second half of the 19th century, a gay scene formed in Russia’s two most important cities, Saint Petersburg and Moscow. It created places for socializing, such as bathhouses; linguistic codes (tetki, which roughly translates as “auntie,” a word that was applied to homosexual men, both by them and others); elements of a dress code; and, at least in private spaces, cross-dressing. As historian Dan Healey describes in his influential work on the history of homosexuality in revolutionary Russia and the Soviet Union, Homosexual Desire in Revolutionary Russia, it would be “heterosexist and nationalist chauvinism to claim that in tsarist Russia or in the USSR, this homosexual subculture was imported from abroad or created by Communist misrule.”1
At the same time, same-sex intercourse between men was illegal under the rules of the Orthodox Church. Until 1917, consensual “sodomy” was punishable by exile to Siberia. But the this threat was unevenly realized. The abolition of the czarist legal codes in 1917 meant the de facto decriminalization of homosexuality, and with the adoption of a new code in 1922, references to “sodomy” disappeared from the official legal texts of the young Soviet state. After revolutionary 18th-century France, the Soviet Union was thus one of the first states in the world to legalize homosexuality. In the Weimar Republic, meanwhile, the infamous paragraph 175 from the Kaiserreich, criminalizing homosexuality, remained in force before it was tightened under fascism and ultimately abolished in the Federal Republic only in 1994 — a lifetime after decriminalization in the Soviet Union.
Women who entered into romantic or sexual relationships with other women had less access to the public sphere in Russia and accordingly found it more difficult to form a cohesive community. Fewer sources exist on this issue, since same-sex intercourse between women was not punishable and therefore does not show up, for instance, in court records. Nevertheless, economically independent women in particular succeeded in forming networks and entering into relationships beyond the traditional heterosexual family. In the military climate of the Civil War years after the October Revolution, many women adopted a masculine style, which on the one hand signaled a loyalty to the Revolution and a willingness to defend it, but on the other hand could also be code for homosexual women to attract other women. The lines to transsexuality were blurry sometimes. In response to a survey on sexuality at Moscow’s Sverdlov University in 1923, one answer was “I want to be a man, I impatiently await scientific discoveries of castration and grafting of male organs (glands).”2 Such operations were indeed performed in the 1920s, even if their success was doubtful owing to still rudimentary methods. Even apart from medical interventions, many took advantage of the opportunity to change their gender identity. They had appropriate identification documents issued, adopted male variants of their old names, and changed their clothing and appearance. This was accompanied by lively scientific debates about the origin and nature of homosexuality and gender, which were widely considered to be closely related. Biologist Nikolai Konstantinovich Koltsov asserted, “Of course, there is no intermediate sex, but rather an infinite quantity of intermediate sexes.”3
Evgenii Fedorovich M. began to assume a male identity in 1915, when he was 17 years old. During the revolution he had his name changed in the official documents and began to work in the secret service. In 1922, with the new documents, Yevgeny married a woman who, in the sources, is named S. Even after the change of identity became known; a local court case in which the couple stood accused of a “crime against nature” failed, and the marriage persisted. The court ruled the union legal because it was mutually consensual — the gender identity of the spouses was irrelevant. The couple continued to live together as a family for several years with a child that S. gave birth to after an affair with a colleague.4 The revolutionary awakening and the rejection of traditional norms were not only represented by elite Bolsheviks but also allowed people like Yevgeny an unprecedented degree of self-determination.
Bourgeois historical scholarship has occasionally claimed that the Bolsheviks did not intend to legalize homosexuality at all by abolishing the czarist legal codes. Simon Karlinsky, for example, claimed that the October Revolution reversed and negated the advances for gay rights achieved in the revolutions of 1905 and of February 1917, passing over the first decriminalization of “sodomy” as an aside.5 Healey, however, comes to the following, unequivocal conclusion based on the files of the Commissariat of Justice, which became accessible with the opening of the Soviet archives in 1991:
While these documents do not discuss the sodomy statute in detail, they do demonstrate a principled intent to decriminalize the act between consenting adults, expressed from the earliest efforts to write a socialist criminal code in 1918 to the eventual adoption of legislation in 1922.6
By decriminalizing male homosexuality, the Bolsheviks stood in the long tradition of the labor movement. In 1898, for example, the leader of the German Social Democrats, August Bebel, had been the first politician to call for homosexual emancipation in a parliament. Three years earlier, socialists had defended the famous writer Oscar Wilde when he was put on trial for his homosexuality. Eduard Bernstein sharply criticized the idea that homosexuality deviated from “nature,” proposing instead that it be understood as a deviation from “the firmly maintained fictional norm,” and holding that “there is no reasonable ground why a similar contract between man and man should be criminally punished.”7 Socialists were not the only ones to call for the legalization of homosexuality. After the October Revolution, however, they not only raised the demand but actually put it into practice.
The pamphlet “The Sexual Revolution in Russia,” written in 1923 by the head of the Moscow Institute of Social Hygiene, Dr. Grigorii Batkis, gives an impression of the official position of the Bolsheviks in the first years after the revolution. In it he writes,
[Soviet legislation] declares the absolute noninterference of the state and society into sexual matters, so long as nobody is injured, and no one’s interests are encroached upon. Concerning homosexuality, sodomy, and various other forms of sexual gratification, which are set down in European legislation as offenses against public morality — Soviet legislation treats these exactly the same as so-called “natural” intercourse. All forms of sexual intercourse are private matters.8
Of course, in the young Soviet Union, not all the prejudices were eliminated from one day to the next. They had become ingrained in decades and centuries of tsarist backwardness. Moreover, the legalization policy of the Bolsheviks did not extend to the entire area of the Soviet Union. The code of the Uzbek SSR, for example, which was established in 1926, still contained paragraphs against homosexuality. While in the European center of the country, homosexuality was understood as an innate characteristic of a minority; in the periphery it was conceived of as a widespread phenomenon arising from social conditions. Healey calls this a “contradiction between the Soviet Union’s declared sexual vanguardism and its policies in outlying regions.”9 Furthermore, during the 1920s, access to ballrooms and meeting halls in the urban centers dwindled more and more, which, according to a common interpretation, led to a retreat into the private sphere. This is contradicted, however, by the fact that homosexual men played important public roles in the young Soviet republic. Author Mikhail Kuzmin, who came from an aristocratic background and wrote the first coming-out novel affirming homosexuality, Wings, in 1906, sympathized with the revolution and served as chairman of the Petrograd Artists’ Association. Kuzmin was friends with the openly gay Georgy Chicherin, who served as People’s Commissar for Foreign Affairs, a post that was roughly equal to a Soviet foreign minister, from 1918 to 1930.
A few isolated statements by Lenin are often used to argue that the Bolsheviks allegedly took a prudish position on questions of sexuality. In correspondence with the French socialist Inessa Armand in 1915, he defended himself against the demand for a “freedom of love.”10 In a few lines, he argued that freedom from material calculations, religious prejudices, or “from the fetters of the law, the courts and the police” would be poorly expressed by this phrase and could also be understood to mean freedom “from the serious element in love” or “from childbirth,” which he described as a bourgeois demand. Healey, too, infers from these lines (and from similar statements attributed to Lenin after his death by Clara Zetkin11) that Lenin may well have meant to say that those suffering from a “personal abnormality” in their sexual lives should do so in private while devoting themselves to the revolution.12 Sherry Wolf strongly rejects this “rather stilted reading of Lenin’s thoughts” in Sexuality and Socialism, arguing that it conforms to the Cold War caricature of Lenin as a teetotaling ascetic.13 In fact, Lenin’s letters to Armand were not published until 1939 under Stalin to signal, as Healey himself writes in a footnote, that the “changes to family policy in the 1930s had Leninist origins.”14
The Stalinist Rollback
Contrary to the hopes of the Bolsheviks, by 1923, no further socialist states had emerged from the European revolutionary upsurge after World War I. In capitalist encirclement, material deprivation after years of first world and then civil war, and the resulting massive attenuation of the Soviet industrial proletariat, an extensive bureaucracy had taken hold in all areas of administration, attempting to elevate the country’s isolation to the status of theory with “socialism in one country.”
The bureaucracy’s interest in self-preservation, coexisting with the capitalist West, was matched by an increased demand for labor, which led to a policy of increasing the birth rate. Efforts to abolish the family, whose tasks for social reproduction were to be made superfluous through the establishment of public child care, laundry shop, or state canteens, were replaced by the consolidation of traditional family and gender norms. In a trade union newspaper, Aron Solz, who had held leading posts in the Soviet judiciary before being ousted in 1938, wrote: “A Soviet woman has equal rights with a man, but she is not relieved of the great and honorable natural duty: she’s a mother, she gives life.”15
The ideological justification for the renewed criminalization of homosexuality was provided in 1934 by Stalin’s mouthpiece on cultural issues, the author Maxim Gorky. He attributed to homosexuality a corrupting influence on youth and contrasted the myth of Russian “purity” with the decay of the “overcivilized” West, which, supposedly, along with homosexuality, also gave rise to fascism. His utterance culminates in the infamous statement: “Destroy the homosexuals — Fascism will disappear.”16
Just as the decriminalization of homosexuality in 1922 had been part of a broader effort to overcome any form of oppression based on gender or sexuality, the counterreforms of the 1930s were also not limited to reintroducing the persecution of homosexuality. Prostitution was also recriminalized, abortions banned, and the women’s section of the party’s Central Committee dissolved. Leon Trotsky described this policy of prohibitions as “the philosophy of a priest endowed also with the powers of a gendarme.”17 This turn toward a cult of motherhood was accompanied by the cruel persecution of any real or imagined political opposition. In her book Bread and Roses, Andrea D’Atri describes, in relation to women’s politics, the discontinuity between the first decrees of the nascent workers’ state and the outrageous later provisions of the bureaucracy. For the bureaucracy, it was clear: “The revolution needed to be opposed with a counterrevolution.”18 This rupture was enforced with the deportation, imprisonment, torture, and murder of countless people.
With the help of the Comintern, which had been stripped of its revolutionary content, the Stalinist bureaucracy, from the mid-1920s onward, carried its reactionary ideology into the Communist Parties in the rest of the world. In revolutionary Cuba, the Communist Party bureaucracy arrested and jailed gay men, forced HIV-positive people into state-run sanatoriums, and expelled thousands of queer people with the Mariel boat lift in 1980. Not until 1986 were all provisions criminalizing homosexuality removed from the legal code. Though homosexuality was not officially prohibited in China until after Mao’s death, men who sought out sexual relations with other men could be charged with “hooliganism,” particularly during the so-called Cultural Revolution initiated by Mao and his allies.
Communist parties around the world thereby exerted a strong conservative influence on the entire Left in the following decades. Thus, for a long time, queer hostility on the left was not limited to Stalinist organizations. The Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party (SWP) in the United States, for example, also “unofficially” excluded homosexuals and trans people from the organization in the years around the Stonewall Riot, i.e., amid the emergence of a radicalized LGBT liberation movement. The policy of exclusion from its youth organization was even declared publicly, even if it soon turned out to be unenforceable. Even when the organization changed its position in a 1975 pamphlet advocating for gay rights in the U.S., it argued that it was “cultural imperialism” to apply this demand to Cuba, where public displays of homosexuality were banned by the Castro regime. Before the Cuban Revolution in 1959, however, homosexuality had been legal there. The implication that Cubans were particularly conservative or even all heterosexual was even then nothing more than a racist stereotype.
The SWP was not the only organization in the tradition of Trotskyism to take such positions. In an interview, Ray Goodspeed, who supported the grand strike in the British mines in 1984 with Lesbians and Gays Support the Miners, known from the film Pride, tells of the attitude of his organization at the time: “‘Militant,’ the group to which I belonged at the time, considered gay rights a bourgeois concern and imagined that the workers would not be able to handle it. However, when I came out, it was only the party hacks who had strange reactions, while the working-class people were quite easygoing.”
Even though the SWP claimed to carry forward the revolutionary legacy of Trotskyism, it held openly reactionary positions on this question. These were not, however, merely an isolated aberration but a consequence of the deviation from the political method of Marxism. This deviation consisted in an increased “objectivism,” that is, the relativization of the role of the political vanguard of the class and the consequent adaptation to the given. Instead of trying to lift the at the time backward consciousness in large parts of the U.S. working class with the help of transitional demands, the SWP adapted to this conservatism. At the same time, its uncritical attitude toward Cuba led it to confound the necessary defense of the achievements of the Cuban Revolution with the defense of the bureaucracy, which not only persecuted homosexuals but also suppressed any form of proletarian democracy.
The Legacy
The contradictions that persisted in Bolshevik policy toward homosexuality after 1917 cannot be understood without placing them in the context of the material shortages and international isolation of the young Soviet state. Today, however, these historically specific circumstances no longer exist, and the considerable development of the productive forces in the wake of the enormous devastation of World War II would put a new socialist attempt in an infinitely better position. Whereas in the young Soviet state, for example, attempts to socialize reproductive labor were bound to fail and the project of abolishing the heteronormative family remained stuck in its infancy, the economic conditions for such a project are incomparably superior today. There is no doubt that the possibilities for liberation from gender and sexual oppression exist.
The legalization of homosexuality in the Soviet Union was not only a milestone in the history of sexual liberation, but also a testament to the power of a Marxism that organizes itself independently of all institutions of the bourgeois state. As Lenin put it in 1902, such a movement is “trained to respond to all cases of tyranny, oppression, violence, and abuse, no matter what class is affected.”19 The reversals of conquests by LGTBTQ people that are now taking place in the United States demonstrate the impossibility of true democracy within the framework of capitalism. A revolutionary socialist struggle that seeks to transform society can win recognition and freedoms for queer people that far surpass what the capitalists’ so-called democracies around the world have acheived.
>>1892What is "queer life" is just lifestylism idpol.
Not compreble to just a regular homosexual.
It's completely creation of 20th century liberalism
>>1894>I dare you to read anything by Ilf and Petrov or Bulgakov or anyone else set in NEP-era USSR and find any mention of the extreme sexual liberation that was supposedly everywhereRead Heart of a Dog. Specifically the part where professor Preobrazhensky treats his patients. He even has to deal with a government official who had sex with a minor and tries to get an advice from professor if abortion is safe for 14yo or something like that,lol
I am not saying that there was a sexual liberation paradise in 1920s Russia tho. But such ideas definitely existed in that still existing upper class intelectual milieu.
>>1894>>1890 (me)
So like I said then, the party ceded to reactioanry elements. I don't even think it was the wrong move then. But in the present it would be a bad move.
>>1901No I don't. How about you?
>>1902The primary purpose of sex is recreation. Of course people fucked for pleasure too but not to the extent that they forget this primary purpose.
Seems like Op copy pasted an entire article.
Could have posted the link
https://www.leftvoice.org/marxism-stalinism-and-queerphobia/Authors are Marco Helmbrecht and Niko Weber
couldn't find much about them though.
The Soviet Union was socially progressive for it's time and an extremely progressive force in human history.
It feels like these types of criticism aren't earnest. Meant to appeal to people with single issue political consciousness. Sometimes it feels like liberals trying to deny the success of actually existing socialism. The soviet system was an enormous improvement over the Tsarist system in all regards. Most Soviet citizens were peasants who had not experienced anything beyond living in a agricultural mode of production, that's a very limiting set of social conditions.
Socialists that won revolutions are the ones that prioritized class struggle above all else. The capitalist class is extremely powerful and very ruthless, they can't be defeated unless that is the priority. Imagine going back in time and talking to a soviet peasant, that wants an industrial tractor to make tilling the fields less backbreaking, and electricity to power an electric light bulb to be able to read in the evening. A person with those needs could not understand any of the concerns raised in this article. People have to gain access to a significant amount of material wealth that enables a comfortable lifestyle before their minds open up to anything beyond material needs. I know that Maslow's hierarchy of needs is flawed in some aspects but it's not wrong.
i didn't read the entire article because nobody that is serious would use the words "Stalinist tradition" i'm not reading sectarian polemics anymore I'm over that>>1927lol
why should i care about the problems with stalin's human rights record when every comparable other country was easily doing as bad or worse, either de jure or de facto?
>>1908>No I don't. How about you?Nope.
>The primary purpose of sex is recreation.Have you ever had sex?
>>1923>So you admit Stalin doesn't care about the fags?Probably, but I'm gay and I wouldn't write Joseph Stalin to ask for his permission to be gay. Besides, Stalin has been dead for 70 years.
>>1915>Cuba is influenced by western leftism.And vice-versa too. I suspect that socialism in, say, the United States will probably be more similar to Cuban socialism because of proximity.
>>1884All true but we're trying not to scare off proles of a conservative
psychological disposition right now right now and after the revolution they'll be fine with it after a period of adjustment since homophobia as a psychological tendency comes from two sources a disgust response related to disease avoidance for the conservative neurotype
(they also have a similar response to public displays if affection of the hetero type) and
seperately as an orthogonal factor lower intelligence since another psychological factor in homophobia is that the person with the issue is literally retarded as in the ambiguity of the non majority populations sexual and romantic behavior
confuses and
therefore upsets them
As you hinted at all these things can be mitigated with socialism in a way capitalism can not for example actually public health measures will lower STD pandemics
and also for that matter other pandemics other factors that will mitigate things is improved educational and academic support for the slower among us
In the meantime could comrades keep it on the down low especially in mass orientated agitation and propaganda
I'm already worried about what scarecrow those of a retarded or conservative inclination are imagining by public health measures and educational measures are intended when the actual measures taken will probably be along the lines of more and better public amenities such toilet cubicles being spacious with urinals, thrones, and baby changing benches and hygiene product incinerators and personal tutoring for the retarded by their classmates etc to keep them mainstreamed at school while not having to drag the curriculum down for the rest of the class to the lowest common denominatorTank yoo
>>1932>It's a regular person that would have sex with people that have the same set of genitals as them in order to have a special label and a flag.highest autism score homophobe
>>1933>(they also have a similar response to public displays if affection of the hetero type)Absolutely false lmao.
>>1936Well I'm a fag myself, or have same-sex relations, or whatever you want to call what that is. I meant it more in the sense of an "identity" or waving flags around and that sort of thing. I think there's a unity of opposites here, so our friend can't fight "Pride" or a "gay identity" without also fighting the ideology which is trying to oppress us, otherwise he will fail in his efforts. And I don't mean the people trying to oppress people like me from engaging in Pride (to be honest I'm kind of "over it"), but what Pride represents as a signifier.
I'll tell people like him, if he wants to see more Pride flags, more Pride parades, and more of this stuff, then vote for the Republicans. Support your local Christian crusaders. Because they'll just intensify it.
Pride is like nationalism. Sure, communists are against nationalism, but it was for this reason that Lenin defended the right of nations to self-determination, because any attempt to deny it would merely reinforce the nationalist ideology.
>>1934>Absolutely false lmao.It's not as strong but it's a real effect a person with a more liberal neurotype would be less likely to physically vomit or retch if they stumbled on a public display of affection such as public sex of any kind than the conservative type
It's deeply rooted in the physiological disgust response
If you can't get your head around the fact that people can be very different
For example some people can't visualise images in their minds eye or think in sentences in their head all very common and widespread
People are different right down to their dispositions and personalities and thinga like a sense of safety over the lifetime physically change how people's brains are literally wirex and if you can't get that you'll never make it comrade
>>1939*wired
Being embodied beings made of actual physical materials as evolved animals means something for those who don't get it
We humans like sour tastes which is unusual for an animal other than other than primates and this is because vitamin C which primates lost the ability to produce
is an acid
>>1941Yes that's part of my point
Conservative types, you've all met them if you've ever touched grass aren't evil or other They're just types who've been wired with a strong aversion to disease and contagion in a more abstract sense and it's associated with the
physioligical gag response
Fix heath and sanitation issues in general and the problem largely solves itself because human brains are giant association making machines
>>1946>leanings in an largely irrelevant due to being secondary contradictions of a culture war where any solutions are at best palliativeThis is shit that cannot be fixed within capitalism
Ok you've done all the good boy liberal things of destigmatisation and monkeypox rolls along and reassociates men having sex with men with disease
Why does this happen, the answer is simple men statistically like casual sex a bit more more than women nothing more
But capitalism cannot stop and will not stop yet another pandemic and another one and another one it'll only profit from them
Look up Hebbian learning it's part of how brains and neural networks like in your gut or in a jellyfish work
Back to square one
You cannot fix an association with liberal language games you have to change the material conditions leading to them
So how are sewerage systems made anyway? >>1956>communism is when I tell people who they should fuckI swear to christ this board gets dumber every day
just because cockshott is weird about this shit doesn't mean you have to be
>>1971Putting bits of a virus inside you and It's a new experimental vaccine ick that simple
Conservative here we're talking of a temperament or more specifically a tendency towards a strong disgust response as in gagging or throwing up that tends to line up with certain views on the culture wars
If you wanted to be cute you could classify sea anenomies or sea sponges as more or less conservative by the criteria although obviously these don't fight culture wars as far as we know
>>1933this is literally just opportunism. We have fucking principles! Yes, if this scares away conservatives, fine. No one is saying to bring up gay people when you're unionizing (unless u work with gay people), but as communists yes we absolutely must not cater to conservatives. There is no point in debasing ourselves, and showing everyone a complete lack of backbone, to bend over backwards to appease the most backwards and reactionary elements. It destroys exactly what we have to offer, which is clarity of purpose and a wide embrace of the working class. If we try to be so open as to
split with certain groups we would otherwise also embrace in order to embrace conservatives, we're directly putting them in charge of the communist movement. That's ridiculous. The right needs to be combated, and so does the center. It's impossible to find reconciliation when the demand is for us to abandon our principles and for intolerance at those who otherwise are allies.
>>1985>Yes, if this scares away conservatives, fine.Great except we're talking at least 20 percent of the population
Communists should probably avoid waving gommie shit at pride marches unless communism matters more to them than queer issues since communism has stigma also
>>1990Returning [the] lgbt I think you meant
Yeah ok fair point
>>1989Your coworkers (assuming they are homophobes) have been unironically brainwashed to hate gays. Their obstacle to favor communism isn't that socialism is LGBT friendly or whatever, their obstacle is brainwashing. No amount of pandering to them or watering down socialism to fit reactionary's sensibilities will do anything.
I encourage you to do praxis, but in its abscense, I suggest you ask comrades who do praxis in conservative states. You'd be surprised at their experience. Eddie Smith has videos where he talks precisely about this failed watering down cop-out in the context of the midwest, pointing out how it's unnecessary and actively harmful.
>>1993Which ones depends on their temperament and intelligence not in the crude qualitative tism score sense but more as a quality
Unless you want to go full Pravda
Which for the record I entirely support you doing but am probably in a minority on the issue the association between men who have sex with men with disease will continue being reinforced under capitalism due to capitalism inability to tackle matters of health
Issues aren't disconnected from the world even to go full Pravda which is to say truth would require socialism
Humanitarian efforts can be made but the primary contradiction causing the issue remains capital
>>1998That's the same for all health issues
I'm not joking
Compare the burger vs Chinese response to Covid
Your particular issues are not disconnected from other proles issues is what I'm getting at these issues can be approached and contextualized to relate them to others issues in a way that makes them their own
What I'm trying to get at is that your issues also matter to them they just don't know it yet >>1999Skipped a step in my response the homophobia horrifically was only a small component of the shambolic response
Most of the shambolic response was innate to a for profit health industry and a for profit entertainment industry etc etc
First off, I ain't reading all that
>>1903Weakness of the mind. I think they are rationally pursuing irrational ends cause ceding a point can you ingratiate yourself to someone, this seems correct in theory, tho I don't know much about the topic of being a faggot debatelord.
>>1891Has anyone considered this angle? Like not to compare myself to Stalin but I ignore things that are too stupid.
"this is the most retarded shit I ever archived"
"ah, but you did archive it"
-Gay Jack Sparrow
>>2003>wort existiert nicht,d.H Konzept existiert auch nichtstupid cunt, read origin of the family; everything Engels does there in outlining a not at all natural, but societally determined basis for the family structure and gender roles within it can easily be applied to gender itself. In fact, it MUST be applied to gender itself; if we agree with Engles when he writes that male usurpation of societal dominance from women was perhaps the first class conflict in history, then it only logically follows that a strict delineation between the categories of "man" and "woman" would also result from that same conflict (can't achieve dominance over an ill defined social group, can't maintain dominance of an ill defined social group).
therefore we have no reason to privilege these categories, borne of male domination of women as outlined in origins of the family, as "natural," or "morally correct," etc
fucking "conservative Marxists" haven't even read our own books
>>2005 here again
ALSO, if Engels was willing to analyze family itself, monogamy itself, as societally defined constructs, flying in the face of orthodox beliefs of his (and still, honestly, our) time, we can, and ought, to apply his same methodology to other social issues - gender and sexuality being prime targets.
>>2009It very well could be that the guy was an idiot
and that Stalin was homophobic. You can't expect people to be perfect beacons of Truth. I'm gay and I had to unlearn homophobia, then I had to unlearn liberal conceptions of sexuality, and I'm still discovering more and more. And I've only given it so much thought because I'm gay. Straight people, and especially "cis hetero white" etc, basically normative people, aren't really aware of the ways oppression plays out, which many times can be extremely subtle.
>>2010Yeah but I can have a laff about Comrade Stalin archiving the manuscript with
>Stupid faggot I realised that and was just waiting for an excuse to use the joke
Plz can I have laff?
Tankyoo
>>2011>Plz can I have laff?no, fuck you
I made the same point and you ignored it.
>>1904That’s not exactly “ceding” to reactionary elements bruh, that’s just having reactionary beliefs
Face it, he hated gay people, he was a man from the first half of the 20th Century, it is what it is
Kill your gods >>2019This anti-anti-idpol is just lefty idpol all over again.
LGBT+ ideology whether for or against is just market segmentation of various consumer lifestyles. Culture war resultant is just emergent phenomenon of competing brands combined to media profiting off the attention grabbing that conflict generates.
>>2020BASED & DONTCAREATALLPILLED
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