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Not reporting is bourgeois


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I used to like Mao as his writings on Marxism as they were very clear. However at this point in my evolution and political education I can no longer consider him a great leader or decent Marxist.

Mao's decisions, including the hundred flowers campaign, the great leap forward, the cultural revolution and to do the sino-soviet split, call the USSR social imperialist and buddy up to the US, laid the groundwork for the downfall of socialism both globally and in China, and laid the groundwork for revisionists like Deng to take over. If Mao had simply died in 1956 he would have been considered a great revolutionary, hero, and successful applier of Marxism-Leninism to Chinese conditions. Instead he is now seen, rightly, as a failed statesman, discrediting traditional socialism and paving the way for Dengist reaction.

The brainlet take is to stan Mao and disdain Deng. The fact is that the problem actually started with Mao himself.
>Liu's work focused on party organizational and theoretical affairs. He was an orthodox Soviet-style Communist and favored state planning and the development of heavy industry
Purging Liu Shaoqi was retarded, he wasn't a capitalist roader, he probably would have been the an orthodox soviet style ML, maybe slightly revisionist like Khrushchev, as opposed to Deng who was the gorby/thatcher of China.

Liu would have been a good successor to Mao instead of Deng. Furthermore Mao's implementation of agricultural collectivization and industrialization was poorly implemented. Mao blamed this on others but the truth is he himself was to blame for a ton of it. The maoist tendency to anti intellectualism, distrust of technical experts, all lead directly to that terrible implementation of the GLF. It's possible agricultural collectivization and rapidly industrialization, at least at the rapid pace Mao wanted, would have always resulted in some deaths.

But the excess deaths are 100% due to Mao's retardation like trying to smelt farm tools into metal to do industrialization fast, meanwhile it just produced low quality shit-iron, failed irrigation projections, farming techniques influenced by lysenkoism (that one was shared with the USSR). All of this shit could literally have been avoided if Mao had just allowed more technical experts to have input and done things at a slightly slower pace. For all of his whinging about Khrushchev betraying Marxism, Mao himself's goals were influenced since the late 50s by Khrushchevite productivism. The anti-intellectualism, the reliance on the mass of the peasantry instead of the urban proletariat, all resulted in a bunch of mistakes being made that were 100% avoidable.

But then Mao had to stack retardation on top of retardation, break up with the soviets and make friends with fucking Richard Nixon of all people.

Anyone who sucked up to Nixon is an enemy of all communism.

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makes you wonder what the USSR would have been like if Lenin had lived longer

>>795
Imagine though, but it's pure speculation…

>slightly revisionist like Khrushchev
Lmfao this board has truly gone to shit

>>797
I'm sure you prefer capitalism

>>793
>maybe slightly revisionist like Khrushchev
atleast try with your garbage sectarian bait.

>>798
Ok glowie

>>800
>criticizing capitalism glows
…. uh, wtf?

>>801
No i mean this board has obviously been infiltrated by glories and your one of them

>>802
>glories
yes, criticizing fake marxists who like capitalism is quit glorious. thank you

>>793
>>795
yawn, great man shit
OP are you lashing out because your daddy figure turns out to be flawed, or are you avowing yourself a new daddy, Deng? i didnt bother to read your OP

>>795
Or Stalin. It's common consensus nowadays among revisionist historians that the 'Great Terror' was akin to the Soviet Union's own GPCR.

Mao seemed cool. Not sure about these Maoists though since there seems to be a whole genre of them in western countries that either do completely pants-on-head retarded stuff or move to the far right. If there's a group that is starting out their education on Maoist works I'm outta there.

>>793
Had Mao died in 1956, his achievements would have been immortal. Had he died in 1966, he would still have been a great man but flawed. But he died in 1976. Alas, what can one say?

Chen yuen

>>798
Liu would have led capitalist restoration given the chance.

>>807
Retarded quote

>>794
Mao never sucked up to Nixon. He continued to fund the NVA and Viet Minh post establishment of diplomatic relations with the US.

Mao should have died in the 60s and the Gang of Four should've taken over. If that happened China today would be poor as shit BUT it would be fully communist.

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>>811
…….well if the USSR still fell then the closest the US would have to a rival would be fucking India.

>>811
This mistakenly assumes that Maoism wouldn't keep spreading like wildfire internationally.

t. Khrushchev

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>>811
No. Mao was a bastion of communism and anti revisionism until his death. The great proletarian cultural revolution was able to sustain socialism until his death.

if that cunt khrushchev didn't antagonize every soviet aligned state that refused to be subjugated by revisionism and be turned into a dependent satellite state then maybe there would be no sino-soviet split and mao wouldn't have to rightfully call the soviets out on their shit by coining the term social imperialism

you're right that mao as an statesman did suck sometimes though, but most maoists are aware of that. remember maoism was literally born out of criticism of mao zedong thought

Real chads follow Chen Du Xiu

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How can Mao doom Marxism when he never read any Marx?

>>812
stop posting this fucking pie we don't even have that here :(
>>793
didn't read this, barely skimmed thread. don't care.

>>812
>>821
they also sell them in other countries and locations. If you ever go to Hawaii they have them there

>oh no my man on the flag isn't perfect and parts of what he wrote need to be thrown in the trash
>I don't want to be called a revisionist even though every marxist ever critisized previous marxists, and Mao himself advocates doing so to keep advancing the science forward

>>794
I will not allow for this egregious slander against Comrade Nixon to stand, do you not know the man behind all of the racial progress and pro-Soviet foreign policy of the era? Is it a coincidence that he was the only president who hailed from the egalitarian Quaker sect (real btw)? Has there ever been a president so maligned by the institutions of the American Intelligence State apparatus?


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