Hey leftypol! Would anyone be interested in joining a reading group for Capital Volume 2? Because us over at the /read/ group are gonna do that and we'd like to have it as open as possible, so we're inviting you to join.
For context, we've been running this collective of reading groups on >>/edu/5912 for around a year now, and we're finally ready to tackle the second volume of Capital, after successfully getting through the first one earlier this year.
Currently our system is to have weekly meetings over Matrix, on Sundays at 10 PM UTC. However we are willing to change that schedule depending on the availability of any new members.
Anyways, if you are interested, join our main Matrix chats:
Matrix Community (if you still use those):
https://matrix.to/#/+leftyread:matrix.orgMatrix Space:
https://matrix.to/#/#leftyreadmain:matrix.orgJoin the Main chat for general discussion, and the /kritik/ chat for the Capital group.
Come /read/ with us!
>>845Unfortunately yeah, it's an extension of vol 1 and builds off the concepts discussed there.
>>846Do it.
>>840How long do meetings last?
How much do you read per week?
>>843Oh don't worry fren. Once done with Volume 2 we will be reading other things as a break between v2 and v3, so maybe join us then. Either way our main chat is open and we have plenty of theory discussion there, regardless of readings, so feel free to join that.
>>849>How long do meetings last? No set time. Usually around an hour and a half, maybe two hours. On one occasion we spent around 5 hours discussing the Theses on Feuerbach however, that was pretty wild. I'd guess a weekly reading of Capital would have meetings around 2 hours long.
>How much do you read per week?Depends on the reading. We recently read Lenin's State and Revolution and Left-wing Communism in one week each. For Capital v1, we took one week for each of the first three chapters, since they're fairly dense, but the later chapters are much shorter so we could do a bunch at a time.
>>850Thanks for the resource anon. Can't say I have any thoughts considering we haven't read Volume 2 yet, but we'll keep this in mind as we read. There are a few other blogs with similar content, but on some level it feels weird to trust that some rando with a blog could offer good secondary lit. I guess we'll see as we go. Appreciate it.
>>851It's in the OP. Matrix chat. Link is there.
>>875>because you non-LGBT people sure as fuck don't understand and don't care. You hate us.you feel like it
in fact we can express solidarity with you guys
>>871>video<Dialectical Materialism is separate from mechanical materialism which modern science is based upon.Exactly. Einstein dismissed Engels' "dialectics of nature" for a reason. It's nonsense. You can still believe in the dogma but don't call yourself a scientific socialist. Besides, the notion that you must accept matter over mind in order to be a Marxist is retarded. The essential idea that separates Marx from the rest is recognizing the development of productive forces and class struggle as the driving force of history. It might have represented a coherent continuum for Marx but you don't have to take his word for it. He wasn't a prophet. Dialectics is also a meme.
Here's the actual most correct materialist analysis that best encapsulates the ideas of Prophet Marx (pbuh) on:
>GAYS and TRANS PEOPLELiberalism is the most developed ideological form of late capitalism. The value and freedom that has been given most importance in late capitalism is the individualist right to consume: "Everyone has the right to be themselves and consume commodities in the way they best see fit". The fundamental idea that underpins consumerism is hedonism. Sexual liberation is the expression of hedonism and consumerism in relationships. "Every human is a commodity you consume to satisfy your hedonistic desires". Gay men have way higher body counts and rates of STDs than heteros because gay liberation stems from the same ethos.
Transgenderism is a form of escapism from capitalist alienation and loneliness. It fits right into capitalist ideology:
>Wearing a dress and make up will make you a women<Consume these commodities and your sex will change.Socialism means community and duty to your people. These social ills will cease to exist in a post-capitalist society.
>>891If you’re ok with people of colour playing a leading role in leftist politics and the revolution there’s not really any problem. I know plenty of POC wouldn’t be led by Europeans, myself included. As demographics shift, the final say on what revolution should look like is going to be coming from non European perspectives.
Even if I agreed with the anti idpol stance, do you plan on going to a BLM demonstration and telling them they should put aside their immediate, valid concerns and read about dialectical materialism? Nobody had to read a book to be able to join the protests for George Floyd. The hearts of people of colour are already invested in revolution. Europeans know their world is changing and are more inclined to being reactionary. This is why they express fear rather than delight when BLM topple their monuments and take over their streets.
>>891based
>>892cringe, imagine the bolshevik revolution where people complain that Lenin looked to much like a Tatar
>>892>do you plan on going to a BLM demonstration and telling them they should put aside their immediate, valid concerns and read about dialectical materialism? No. And this also addresses your "led by POC". Communist cadres should be above simple apparent contradictions. They should analyze and understand how appearances around them emerge. Masses can't be cadres. Masses can't understand nuanced takes. This contradiction is apparent when unions lobby for war to keep their weapons manufacturing jobs.
>The hearts of people of colour are already invested in revolution.Absolutely wrong. You must acknowledge that the working class is predominantly submerged in liberal ideology. A good example of this is the more radical elements of the working class, the so called American "democratic socialists". They are completely engaged in capitalist realism and their goals are entirely modest (eg eventually push Biden and Pelosi to consider maybe talking about Healthcare for all). These people are not for "the revolution". They are anti-capitalist in aesthetic only. Otherwise, still operating under liberal terms. Same with George Floyd protestors. Except they are not even coherently anti-capitalist. They are simply rebelling a little against the government. This is normal for citizens to do in liberal countries. The US is an exception because they are submissive hyper-individualists, culturally bootlickers, and are a militarized surveillance police state.
>Europeans know their world is changing and are more inclined to being reactionary. This is why they express fear rather than delight when BLM topple their monuments >theirYou have american brainworms and are thinking in liberal terms. These monuments are not "theirs" and the reason they dislike when BLM topples monuments is because of the reverence of tradition, history, and symbols. They are fighting a liberal war at the level of ideas. The statues are merely symbols in this battle. Nobody gave a shit about them but they are politicized to virtue signal in favor of black people or in favor of tradition, history and other stupid shit rightoids care about.
As a Marxist, you should see through this.
>>890This is complete nonsense. Class differences cannot be reconciled under capitalism, but trans issues certainly can. Why would you put people that can lose their revolutionary potential with a couple inconsequential reforms at the forefront? Transgenderism isn't a rebellion against the ruling class, its a rebellion against your peers. I would go as far to say that transgenderism comes from the top-down, from gender studies conducted in bourgeois academia. It fits perfectly into the western neoliberal hegemony as i outlined in
>>885 . Revolutions comes from the masses not misfits. Besides I don't think that men on estradiol make good soldiers kek.
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