No.13250
>Amazon
Do I look like a douche if I say I don’t want anything to do do with art bankrolled by them ?
No.13253
>>13250First two series were made by SyFy and Netflix. Bezos bought it because he likes the books, apparently.
No.13255
As I wrote in the other thread:
So it looks like the Expanse is heading for a catastrophe like GoT. They only got renewed for another season which will be the last season, while still having more than three books to cover. Plus the actor who plays Alex got #metoo'ed for unsolicited dick pics and harassing female fans, so he won't be returning.
They gonna have to wrap it up and we probably never going to see the Laconian Empire uniting all of humanity only to be taken down by our heroes which is supposed to be the great finale of the book series. Fucking shame after they spent an entire season four on this single planet with no outcome other than Murtry being arrested. It's considered one of the weakest books of the series yet they spent an entire season on this while still having so many books in front of them. What were they thinking? This is just poor planning.
No.13258
>>13255Nah, The Expanse has already done several books within one series (the latter half of series 3 is just one book in of itself).
I believe the showrunners can do a good job of it tbh, and considering they have 2 series to finish it off: they might not get to do all the books but they can at-least end it properly unlike GoT.
Also I didn't realise that's why they ditched Alex tbh, makes sense now.
No.13263
>>13250yeah that's pretty small brain. even monsters can patronize good art or entertainment
>nooooo I won't go to the coliseum to enjoy the splendid murdergames because they were paid for by the tyrant domitian<imagine being that pleb
No.13499
New series innit.
No.13510
The optics of the show are amazing this season. This season all the main characters are apart and we gotta see their backstory (it's about time since it's the fifth season). It loses a bit of its economic implications, both Earth, Mars and the Belt are all capitalist. I thought that Mars' political economy worked differently as they gave it a Soviet/Chinese aesthetic but it's actually very capitalist as confirmed by this season. That's a bit disappointing.
I like it so far. The villains are pretty quickly established so far but there are still mysteries to solve.
Also, they're putting sexual tension into the scene everytime there is a scene with a man and a woman. Not sure what's that about but 100% this season a character will end up banging a character they're not supposed to.
No.13512
>>13510Mars is meant to be China/Russia: power ascendant superpower that spends too much o mill tech compared to its own internal development.
No.14086
Spoilers ahead:
So they decided to kill Alex off due to Cas Anvar being #metoo'ed in a really hamfisted way. They reshot a bunch of scenes where they go like "yeah, he got a stroke. Happens!" after they showed Alex "dying" by showing him not moving in the cockpit while they inserted an acceralting beep soundeffect. Really? The entire tension in this season was built up for Naomi's fate, to dump another main character while she remains unscathed seem cold as fuck, and I think viewers will notice. It's basically an off-screen death. I just don't understand why they didn't just have a recast? His character arc feels completely unfinished.
Shame on an otherwise decent finale.ddrDDR
No.14087
>>14086>in a really hamfisted way.how redundant. the entire show is ham fisted and emotionally manipulative
No.14090
>>14086A mate of mine told me this is actually how
Fred Johnson dies in the books.
No.21767
So what did everyone think of episode one? The alien planet was random and weird and uneventful. No reason to stick it in this episode. Was Naomi flying the ship in the initial battle? Why was she talking about flying the ship for the first time later? Naomi was annoying and unlikeable last season and they're continuing the trend this season. Why do they do this in TV shows? Give the female characters the worst personalities. Characters who do nothing but complain are the worst. Absolutely the most hateable IMO. I'd rather see a villain who was purposefully sabotaging everything than a person who can't take their own direction but feels superior to complain about everyone else's decisions.
No.21768
>>21767>So what did everyone think of episode one? The alien planet was random and weird and uneventful.Agree. They should have used that as a cliffhanger, not as an opener.
>Was Naomi flying the ship in the initial battle?It is weird as fuck because nobody of them is a pilot and even Alex had problems navigating the Roci in the beginning because a gun ship is hard to fly. Yet they are still easily outmaneuvering their opponents without a trained pilot. To just kill off Alex instead of doing a recast was the worst the decision of the show so far.
>Naomi was annoying and unlikeable last seasonDisagree. Naomi easily had her most likeable season last season. Also acting-wise. I agree she was a bitch in that episode.
Easily the worst opening episode of the show, because it was pretty uneventful.
No.21769
I can't be dicked to watch the new season, I found the last 2 really disappointing. Ever since they were on the colony world the scope of the plot really narrowed. Which is ironic with the rings opening up the universe. And the writing/acting isn't particularly good. Naomi was crying in metal tubes for the majority of last season, the other guy was wandering a forest with a mutant, while Earth was supposedly in crisis. Holden just sucks. Don't know who's dick the actor sucked to get this job. Boring.
6/10, I ain't gonna watch this shit again. Anyone read the last book and know how it ends?
No.21774
What's the Marxist analysis of The Expanse?
No.21782
>>21769>Anyone read the last book and know how it ends?>>21774Earth is the imperial core, Mars the developing contender, the belt is the exploited third world
No.21783
>>21782 (me)
Messed up my post, yeah I read the last book, it was decent.
No.21784
>>21769>Ever since they were on the colony world the scope of the plot really narrowed.Season 3 was really eventful, so season 4 and the corresponding book was supposed to be a transitional, calmer part of the story.
I disagree with you completely about season 5. We finally got to see the characters being apart, and it was pretty eventful. About the acting, meh, you are maybe right, but the story and their production value make up for that. But I agree that it isn't a show carried by its actors. But from an objective standpoint, I really do not understand how season 5 is worse than season 3.
>the other guy was wandering a forest with a mutant, while Earth was supposedly in crisis. What? She was a prisoner, it's likely they would have just put her down at an UN camp as they can't support prisonders anymore. They had to walk through the woods and make use of Amos' connections to criminal syndicates to get her off earth.
The only thing that pisses me off about season 5 is the last episode and the clumsy ending.
No.21785
>>21783And props for the authors to actually stick to their words and finishing the books before the series overtakes them. That GRRM disaster still soured adapted book series for TV for me.
No.21787
>>21785Fun fact but James S. A. Corey is actually a pen name for two authors, Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck, who happened to be assistant writers for GRRM. When they left to write The Expanse, ASOIF books stopped coming out.
No.21789
>>21787No fucking way, really? That is hilarious as fuck. My esteem for GRRM drops every year that goes by with him simply refusing to write.
No.21790
I think I'm gonna read the books before I try watching again
I tried watching the first season but I just kept falling asleep. I liked the concept of the belters and exploring the consequences of living in 0 g on the human body, but the exposition and acting was just sooooooo boring.
No.21798
>>21790>I tried watching the first season but I just kept falling asleep. I liked the concept of the belters and exploring the consequences of living in 0 g on the human body, but the exposition and acting was just sooooooo boring.I watched the first episode randomly and never finished it, but someone recommended it strongly to me and I stuck with it and it gets much better IMO. I never really like Miller that much and the first season focuses on him heavy, then later season barely at all to not at all. The real center of the story is the crew that left to go check out that ship even if for some reason they slowly, slowly, introduce them and make them the focus.
>>21768>Disagree. Naomi easily had her most likeable season last season. Also acting-wise. I agree she was a bitch in that episode.Mmm, maybe you're right. She probably had more annoying seasons. I still thought callously using that guy on Marco's crew who was being nice to her was a bit much. I could understand why she would do it or need to do it. But her self-righteous speeches are so tiring. Most stories don't have these kinds of characters get called out, but it was cool seeing Amos see-through her and become his own man.
No.21801
>>21798>I still thought callously using that guy on Marco's crew who was being nice to her was a bit much.He stepped into that airlock fully aware of what she was going to do. He talked her out of this before, so he thought he could do it again, knowing that it would result in him being spaced as well. Also, that dude tried to kill her entire friends by sabotaging the launching codes of the Rocinante.
>But her self-righteous speeches are so tiring. I believe that was also what pushed Filip back into the arms of Marco because she was very moralistic, which she wasn't before. On the other hand, she was always the only one in the Roci crew who even dared to speak up for the Belt, an oppressed nation, while the others constantly "muh both sided" them.
It was dumb of her to be a bitch towards Clarissa. Clearly, as someone who also had a traumatic underdog story alienated from her family, she should be able to sympathize. If there is one chick Naomi should be worried about it is that hot journalist woman who already flirted with her boyfriend Holden three times.
I still can't help to think that episodes 8-10 was Dominique Tipper's best perfomance in the show so far. You might think she overplayed it a bit during her martydom on that ship, but what was annoying is that she got out of it completely unscathed while Alex just… randoly does. This is bad writing. At least Game of Thrones wasn't afraid to take things away from their characters, like Bran's legs, Jamie's hand, Tyrion's concubine, etc. - Naomi just looks like she just came from a wellness holiday afterwards. They could have at least took away one of her eyes or limbs to give us a reminder that we are only sacks of meat and bone in the most hostile enviroment imagineable for humans.
No.21803
>>21801>she got out of it completely unscathed I agree, some persistent coughing or smth at least would have helped sell it as the harrowing experience it was supposed to be
>But her self-righteous speeches are so tiring. I think everyone can agree on that, although its understandable for the character. There is so much that is wrong with marcos even from a true OPA pov, but there really isnt anyone that challenges him on that side (vaguely philip in the new episode, but barely).
>>21798> I still thought callously using that guy on Marco's crew who was being nice to her was a bit muchI mean it was her only way to save literally all the people she cares about, and the guy was also revealed to have taken her child and hidden it from her, causing her to try suicide and eventually run away. The reason he was nice was because he felt guilty.
>It was dumb of her to be a bitch towards Clarissathey really fucked up the on-board dynamic with removal of alex, you wonder how the fuck these people can still stand each others enough to fight a war together
also, michio pa breakdown/removal was very weird, seem like a reason found just to get rid of the actor or smth. Who the fuck screws up pushing a button on mark when its tense ? why cant you just remove her from combat op ?
>Alex just… randoly does. This is bad writingthe excuse is they did it because the actor was removed for legal problems (harassment or smth). But they did handle badly indeed. Didnt even understand he was dead the first time, made no sense. And it fuck the rest of the story (which, lets be honest, they were going to fuck anyway it looks like, not enough time/budget, the power that be decided to end things). I also fail to see why you cant just shoot a scene or two to at least handle it gracefully.
on the book final ending, its ultimately lib and ad-hoc, but it does raise many interesting questions, and is fitting/satisfying enough.
No.21804
>>21803oh and I forgot, but I dont get why they made philip shoot his friend rather than some security goon
fuck up the plot and really make him seem like a useless retard
his growing doubts with his father and blood on his hands was way better in the books imo. They should have emphasized more how incompetent marco is long term and the actual guilt of warcrime. You dont get a sudden guilt when picking up chicks and having you friend brag about your role, you get it when you come across the consequences of your actions.
No.21805
>>21787>When they left to write The Expanse, ASOIF books stopped coming out.well, lets hope they will be able to finish it once the fat one die
>>14090well, yeah, but this is during a super intense high speed chase and fight (which is epic and made my fav bobby moment and top 5 holden the retard moment in the books) and fred is quite a bit older I think. Its also way more ironic in the book, cause both sides are trying to save/kill fred in the first place
No.21806
>>21801>Alex just… randoly does.>>21803>the excuse is they did it because the actor was removed for legal problems (harassment or smth). But they did handle badly indeed. Didnt even understand he was dead the first time, made no sense. And it fuck the rest of the story (which, lets be honest, they were going to fuck anyway it looks like, not enough time/budget, the power that be decided to end things). I also fail to see why you cant just shoot a scene or two to at least handle it gracefully.The worst part of how shoehorned it was, was it seemed the rest of the crew didn't give a fuck. Like, they were saying "yeah it's sad, but that guy was a sexpest, so don't feel to bad, he had it coming."
No.21826
>>21803>also, michio pa breakdown/removal was very weirdWhat was also weird was the reveal that Anderson Dawes had an off-screen death with Marco being like "yeah, he annoyed me". First off, that is really out of character for Marcos to just randomly kill people who disagree with him, he usually only does it when they are disobedient towards him. You are not becoming a calculated, respected leader if you are acting like a madman.
Secondly, Dawes was a menace in season one and many people liked him. To just never bring him back and then kill him off off-screen didn't do justice to his role. I guess the actor really went up the A-list after Chernobyl, so they probably couldn't afford him for a side role.
The budget restraints seem weirdly irritating to me. Isn't this supposed to be Jeff Bezos' favorite show who backs it with dumptrucks of money? I really wonder what motive is there for studios to be super strict with budgets when it's a show that blows up globally. GoT had to do six episodes for the final season because of HBO budget restraints despite being the most popular show of all time. Meanwhile, shit like Star Trek: Discovery feels like it's on a Hollywood budget but nobody likes it.
No.21827
>>21803>the excuse is they did it because the actor was removed for legal problems (harassment or smth).The guy looks Indian/Iranian, it would have been child's play to find someone somewhat resembling him for Western audiences as a recast.
No.21851
These new episodes feel a bit bloodless. The scenes with the kid and the alien animals lead to nothing other than to take up precious time, how the fuck are they gonna wrap this up within six fucking episode? It honestly feels like they're just gonna wrap it up with a final battle against Marco and the entire Laconia storyline will be told in a movie.
No.22061
First three episodes disappointed me. This is going way to slow for it to be wrapped up in five more episodes.
No.22062
>>21851>The scenes with the kid and the alien animals lead to nothing other than to take up precious timeits an important plot point in the book, but if its the last season it makes no sense to include it, everything related to laconia don't interact with the rest until much later
No.22064
>>22061>First three episodes disappointed me. This is going way to slow for it to be wrapped up in five more episodes.They are pulling a Game of Thrones
No.22065
yo people fucking in space in this show
i watched the trailer and it looks boring but one shot they show people float fucking wtf
No.22070
>>22065It's not boring. Season 2 and 3 are some of the best scifi on television that I've watched.
The float fucking is only the first episode
No.22083
>>22070fuckers tryna game of thrones me
what is the explanation for floatfucking
No.22089
>>22083If you're saying you're going to be disturbed by sex scenes. That might actually be the only one in the whole series. I can't remember any others and there hasn't been one in seasons.
No.22091
>>22089Amos nailed that corporate mercenary chick in season 4. But it had no nudity as far as I remember.
No.22102
>>22089game thrones as in show nudity to hook in viewers then abandon it
and i'm asking the canonically the reason for float fucking
lmao imagine a guy being disturbed by float fucking, that's a really funny concept
No.22104
>>22102The Expanse has pretty much no nudity, it's not a bait to draw you in.
The reason for "float fucking" is because there is zero G but people still wanna have sexual intercourse.
Pretty weird obsession you got there.
No.22105
>>22104What the fuck? I am curious about a weird scene and wanted an explanation, you're the weird one here calling it an obsession
And I saw 1 second clip of people having sex in the trailer, forgive me for thinking sex involved nudity
No.22106
>>22105people like doing sex, people who live in space like doing sex even when there's no gravity, I don't understand what's your problem
No.22109
>>22106i have no fucking problem
you're the one who keeps MAKING IT SEEM LIKE I HAVE A PROBLEM, JERRY
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHY THE PEOPLE WERE FLOAT FUCKING, JERRY
THAT'S ALL
THAT'S ALL GODDAMN IT
No.22115
I need video evidence of this alleged "float fucking", for research purposes.
No.22184
>>22138who is she
i would float fuck her for anytime, any space
No.22296
They're going to pull a Game of Thrones on us, aren't they? Just finished the second last episode and so far barely anything has happened. The dialog sounds more clumsy, characters behave inconsistently and overly emotional.
I guess they are just wrapping Babylon's Ashes' up with a huge cliffhanger so the whole thing can be continued in a movie trilogy. Otherwise there is no reason that they would have teased Laconia.
No.22297
>>22186oh my god she's actually pornstar
No.22299
>>22297>people discover faye reagan>in 2022lucky you. i feel old now.
No.22307
>>22299i don't really watch much porn, i am a zoomer who has mostly jacked to it tv and movies
will check out her work later
No.22384
>>22138poor faye. hope shes doing better
No.22408
Damn that last episode was good, in a way Marco is vindicated now that beltalowda finally triumph against inner imperialism and take their rightful place as leaders of the ringspace
No.22421
So what's happening now? They just ended this on a cliffhanger. Is there gonna be a movie to wrap things up?
No.22425
>>22422The season ended with the conclusion of "Babylon's Ashes", but there are three more books to adapt. This could have been changed into a satisfied ending but in the final season they literally teased things from the last three books even though they didn't have to.
No.22426
Bookfag here, the next arc happens 30 years or so with Laconia making its bid for total domination. Books are cool and you should read them. But the people who make the show mysteriously talked about future stuff. Probably video games or some shit.
No.22427
>>22425>they literally teased things from the last three books even thoughthat's so messed up lol
they did the same thing with floatfucking, glad i didn't get baited
No.22442
>>22408So whats up with that kid getting rezzed by the "space dogs"? They kinda just tossed that b story aside entirely.
No.22455
Did they really give the means of production to the third worlders?
Did the empire fund Marco as a false flag?
I feel like this is some kind of libertarian critique of revolution is bad and authoritarian.
No.22467
>>22455Marco's free navy was basically set up by Duarte's fascist martian split to cover their breakaway. In the last arc of the books the protagonists do résistance and revolution
No.30967
Is this anything like Lost in Space?
No.30978
>>30970 Ah, too bad then. Firefly maybe?
No.36348
>>36321This but unironically.
Who else can lead? Drummer? Ashford? Drummer got brainwashed and PSYOP'd by Ashford's retarded "violence is bad ok" limp wrist pacifist bullshit and then she didn't even try to avenge his death but just spent time crying in a room and having sex with people who didn't even care that Ashford died. And the show ends with her being a puppet of earth with that dumb transport union shit gee it's like literally nothing changed and she's still going to kill her own people on earth's orders for a nicer salary. socdemry at its finest.
Marco is an egomaniac and psychopath but that's the sort of NKVD mentality the Belters NEED to win and win in a way that's not just "be a puppet of Earth/Mars/etc."
No.36349
>>36348In the books Earth and Mars become completely dependent on the Transport Union so it was a good step in hindsight.
>NKVDThe Bolsheviks made peace with the German Empire with large concessions.
But yeah I never really understood Drummer's characterization but fans liked her because Cara Gee is hot so they gave her more stuff to do but it's pretty inconsistent.
No.36844
Any of you gonna play the tell tale game? I dont really like those games but I do love Drummer
No.36988
>>36844I thought Telltale went under a while ago. Are they back, or is this an older game?
No.37014
>>37008>LCG Entertainment, Inc., doing business as Telltale Games, is an American video game developer and publisher based in Malibu, California. The company was established after the original Telltale Games filed for assignment in October 2018 and were forced to shut down and sell off assets. LCG Entertainment had been able to acquire the rights to much of the original Telltale intellectual property (IP), including branding, games, and game licenses, and announced in August 2019 they would be bringing the old Telltale Games titles back. Well, golly.
No.38990
>>22408>Marco is vindicatedyou mean drummer. he was always wrong.
No.38991
its a shame the last books will never get adapted, we'll never see holden sacrificing himself to save everyone after having a last conversation with miller or amos still being "alive" 1000 years later
No.38995
Fuck the Telltale game, I want someone to finish this shit. What series finale ends on a fucking cliffhanger.
Also why the fuck didn't they recast Alex and instead edited in a weird death scene
No.38999
>>21798TV Miller wasn't bad but in the books he's much more connected to the main crew and the adaptation falls flat in that regard. Like when Holden assumes he's going to join the crew and Miller is so surprised by this he has to hide his tears from the sudden acceptance. You also miss out on all his internal monologues, but that comes with the medium.
No.39118
>>38999You can still use voiceover for internal monolgues
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