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 No.2129[View All]

So Parasite did great at the Oscars and looking at the rest of the director's films Snow Piercer and Okja are pretty REDpilled as well
So is Bong Joon Ho /ourguy/ despite being a southron?
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 No.13333

>>2672
it literally turned me into leftist and snapped me out of my centrist trance.

 No.13334

>>13329
I thought Train to Busan was total schlock, what did you like about it?

 No.13336

>>13334
mainly the focused theme of reaction vs aid and cooperation.

 No.13422

>>11036
I can forgive Bong for not being as overtly radical as I'd like because the powers that be would absolutely make sure that he never gets funding for another film if he reveals his power level too much. I would guess that film producers in Seoul and Hollywood generally dislike the ideological message in his films but they're willing to tolerate it because his work is popular and it makes money.

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>>13329
Bong Joon Ho has an earlier film called "Memories of Murder" that I think is generally agreed to be a classic of Korean crime movies. It also provides some interesting insights into police brutality in South Korean and South Korean history, as it's set in the late 1980's during the political unrest that occurred during the end of the Fifth Republic

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>>3470
I think I posted this exact file on leftytrash to convince someone to help me turn it into a banner for >>>/leftypol/.

>>13329
to this day, I could not find any film that depicts life of schizophrenic person better than this film. really well written comedic psychological horror.

 No.13492

>>13426
what’s it called

 No.13496

>>13492
check the filename

 No.19344

>>11036
the host was a truly scary monster film because it didn't pull punches and had actual characters die and not just random mooks.

 No.19391

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I had no idea this was made by the same guy that made Okja. That film is based beyond belief, basically a recruitment film for the Animal Liberation Front.

 No.19476

>>6456
I was feeling pretty dumb for not being able to understand all the business jargon shown (specially because they were all in English), but then the movie literally said that's the point

I feel a bit better about myself now

 No.21836

>>2129
Excellent overview by Red Cynic

 No.21837

i still don't understand how was the parasite or how anti-capitalist it was

i understood the class differences it made apparent

like the guy driving, the rain flood, the other stuff

but like what was it trying to say other than that

 No.21840

>>21837
The basic message is that the upper class couldn't give less of a fuck about everyone else and the only thing left for poor people is to suffer in silence or violently take over.

 No.21842

>>21840
im sorry i meant to ask who was the parasite
do you know?

 No.21846

>>21842
On the surface the implication is that the poor, living off the thing given to them by the rich are parasites, but in actuality it is the rich family and their porky indulgences that are parasitic on society.

 No.21847

>>21842
The guy who lives in the walls.

 No.21853

>>21846
>it is the rich family and their porky indulgences that are parasitic on society.
i think this was my gripe with the movie
it didn't really show me that in any of the scenes

it showed the rich being out of touch but nothing more than that

needed to show the parasiticism of the rich more

 No.21855

>>21853
They did show it jut not in as a traditional "porky eating all de monee" type, they're not just out of touch, thy actively do not consider the poor as human beings, merely assets to use. See >>21836

 No.21856

>>21855
aw man goddamn it gotta watch a video essay for it
i'd just hope for the particular scenes

are they parasites in the larger sense that since they're not caring about their fellow human beings and just using them for their labor?

 No.21864

>>21856
>are they parasites in the larger sense that since they're not caring about their fellow human beings and just using them for their labor?
Yes, it's just more subtle because capitalist exploitation and dehumanization is more subtle than it had been a century ago.

 No.21867

>>21856
>>21853
That anon is wrong, the rich are not the parasites. That's the point of the film, the working class family act in a pretty scummy way, they cheat and lie, fuck over people in the same situation, and are in general not very good people. They are the parasites. But when shit goes down you are forced to sympathize with those that were meant to be the bad and the rich family who until then were just clueless duped retards, victims who might even deserve some sympathy, suddenly become outright evil and this moral reversal is the climax of the movie. The rich are not parasites, they are not shown exploiting the working class and they pay their servants well, who are basically cheating money out of them. This is what makes the movie interesting, if it was just big boss man paying little money nobody would watch it because that's just everyday life and not very interesting.

 No.21868

>>21867
>the working class family act in a pretty scummy way, they cheat and lie, fuck over people in the same situation, and are in general not very good people.
>they are the parasites
You're one of those people that got filtered by the most superficial aspect. They do that because they're literally so poor that they have no other method of surviving and trying to better their situation except to step on others and bootlick the rich. That isn't parasitism but harsh interclass competition.
>they are not shown exploiting the working class and they pay their servants well
Again you've been filtered anon.
>who are basically cheating money out of them
LMAO

 No.21869

>>21868
What the fuck is filtered? I'm not coffee. This is not an ode to illegalism or some feel good story about the poor outsmarting the rich. They scam the rich and you might enjoy this but in the film they are punished for it and it leads to their downfall. They do not win. They are the parasites and the point of the film is that despite this, they are the good guys. You want to see your vulgar Marxism in everything but the film does not condemn the way the rich got their wealth and their relationship is not portrayed as only financial transactions or commodities or whatever. The climax is reached when the rich father finds the guy living in his walls smelly. He did not ever meet him before, he did not ever hire him, he knows nothing about him. But he is still disgusted by him instead of showing empathy even though he is literally dying at his feet, licking it.

You can make excuses for the poor family and claim that workers can never do anything wrong but that completely ignores the point of the film. You are like a mirror image of those right-wingers who claim that "college socialists" would stop being communists if they actually met working class people, since they are supposedly all unpleasant company: rude, cruel and smelly. Instead you claim that workers cannot be bad people because they have no other choice and everyone has to look out for themselves. But the point the film makes breaks out of this false dilemma and instead of trying to portray the poor family as working class saints that can never do anything wrong or evil incarnate unworthy of our sympathy, it portrays them as people with faults that try to survive through dishonest means, as parasites, but despite that they are still worthy of our sympathy. It points out that even thought not every worker is a saint and you might like or dislike individuals, the working class is still worthy of its emancipation.

 No.21874

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>>21869
>fuck is filtered? I'm not coffee.
It's a simile, don't be obtuse.
>long diatribe about muh poor being le scummy scammers
>vulgar marxism(!!!)
Literal /pol/ rhetoric.
>They scam the rich and you might enjoy this but in the film they are punished for it and it leads to their downfall. They do not win. They are the parasites and the point of the film is that despite this, they are the good guys.
You're muddling the truth and your own assumptions.
>claim that workers can never do anything wrong
I literally never said that, nice strawman.
>completely ignores the point of the film
blatantly incorrect.
>Instead you claim that workers cannot be bad people because they have no other choice and everyone has to look out for themselves
Again putting words in my mouth, knave. I never said they cannot be bad, I said that their poverty drives them to vulgar actions that should be beneath a civilized society, because the truth i that South Korea is not so. This is Exemplified in the scene they let themselves be GASSED in their shitty basement apartment just to kill the insects that infest their home.

The point is that the real parasite is the rich because their hoarded wealth and opulent disregard for other humans, especially the poor FORCES people to fight and scrabble around like beastly animals over the scraps they are tossed. And if the rich no longer favor a poor individual, said individual gets tossed out onto the streets, in utter disregard of if they survive.

I also clarify, the rich being parasitic does not make the Pak family some inherent evil. The Kim family' action appear mercantile from a basic sense if you do not pay attention to the details, even in getting the other people fired they still feel regret and think about it, but move on because agonizing over morality is not a luxury they can afford. They have no present of future and so must take it from others or die. And that is horrendous, but it is the upperclass that puts them in this position to begin with. To them the Kim family is at best a servant or toy that they can afford to toss out their small change on and not care about the details, they can talk and laugh with them but at the end of the day the Kim family is to the Paks, faceless beings whose struggles they do not know and do not want to know.

And yet Kim didn't kill Pak because of this, he killed him because he could not take it any longer, as his daughter is dying in his arms, for Pak his fainted son is more important, and even in this time of panic and horror, the richman still has time to pinch his nose at the "smelly poorfags", because he does not consider them people but things, no different to an automaton or car.

TL;DR:
The Kim's are considered parasites by the Paks, just asss the Kims considered the insects in their apartment to be parasites, and on the surface that is the appearance, but the reality is that the social structure that they live in means it is the Paks that are the true parasites. They may not have prsonally mbzzld money or denied the Kims' son entrance into a university, but they are perpetuators of the system that does this.

 No.21877

>>21874
You can interpret the film however you want, but it won't make a convincing interpretation if it is not supported by the source material. You can claim that the rich must be the parasites in the film because they are the parasites in real life, but it is not convincing, because the film does not show them to be the parasites. That's why the other anon did not accept it, and you can talk about real life all you want, it won't change the fact that in the film, the rich family are not the parasites.

 No.21879

>>21869
>What the fuck is filtered? I'm not coffee.
lmfao

>The climax is reached when the rich father finds the guy living in his walls smelly. He did not ever meet him before, he did not ever hire him, he knows nothing about him. But he is still disgusted by him instead of showing empathy even though he is literally dying at his feet, licking it.

Man I forgot about that scene, I think that scene also could've been saying something about bootlicking

I think I agree with your interpretations if we're basically only looking at what is shown, Obviously with everything in the larger sense, The rich are parasites but we don't really see much of the exploitation or the society at large in this movie

I faced the same issue while watching the movie, In the start, I was trying to see scenes where the rich mistreat the poor, but this movie does not really go that easy route
It makes a little complex, It is more interested in the differences of class and not really interested in demonizing the individual people

>>21874
I agree with you too, Those things you mentioned about the Paks, But I think the flaw ultimately is of the movie and how the title brings unnecessary confusion. Either the title should've been changed or the messaging should've been more apparent with scenes that like show the Paks going along with the system because they don't mind and then in a butterfly effect it coming back to hurt the Kims, or something like them being perpetuating capitalist realism

As you say
>They may not have prsonally mbzzld money or denied the Kims' son entrance into a university, but they are perpetuators of the system that does this.
We as communists can see this and understand it but for the common laymen, The title is confusing and takes away from the class issues shown which are much more clearer for everybody to understand

 No.21880

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>>21842
The parasite is neither the rich dudes nor the poor family, but instead the system that created this wealth disparity in the first place.

 No.21882

>>21880
Yes.

I don't like the idea of a parasite comicbook and tv show but I hope they show the system more in it

 No.21883

>>21880
Wait is that rock supposed to be the system or something? Why did you post that image? I forgot what the rock meant

 No.21884

>>21880
Do you even know what a parasite is? You fucking pseuds go through insane mental gymnastics to force the film to be what you think it should be. Try actually watching it and accepting it as it is instead of desperately trying to fit into your preconceived conclusions.

 No.21885

>>21883
That's what I got from it at least. The rock is supposed to bring wealth and good fortune or some shit, but the only times the rock shows up is when everything goes to shit and they lose everything. The main dude desperately clings to it to maintain his fantasy that getting out of poverty is possible. Idk what else it's supposed to represent except the myth of upward mobility under capitalism. He literally gets hit over the head with the metaphor at the end

 No.21886

>>21884
A parasite is a leech, Something that provides nothing but takes and takes
An undesired entity

I think system fits under tha umbrella

 No.21887

>>21885
>He literally gets hit over the head with the metaphor at the end
lol

 No.21888

>>2278
I don't really think killing off the daughter really had that much emotional impact for me. It seemed more like "oh we've reached the end of the movie, let's just add in some consequences randomly." I guess I wanted it to work out for both of the kids. Fine make it a tragedy, but at least set up the downfall more. They could've really done more with the conflict between the former maid they pushed out and the family. It was just a sudden discovery for the maid, and then it seemed like the movie switched genres and became a home invasion type murder-thriller. Also the father's decision to randomly murder the boss off of one insult felt shoehorned as well.

Seems every Korean movie is Shamylan tier twisty, Oldboy, The Handmaiden, This one.

>>21846
>On the surface the implication is that the poor, living off the thing given to them by the rich are parasites, but in actuality it is the rich family and their porky indulgences that are parasitic on society.
This is my take as well.

>>21853
>it showed the rich being out of touch but nothing more than that
How about firing the maid who had lived in the house longer than they did just because they believed she became ill? I think that's more than out of touch.

 No.21890

>>21886
The "system" is the coordination of the social division of labour, saying that it "provides nothing but takes and takes" is not only fetishistic but dumb af.

>>21888
It was set up well. They got in trouble because they became too brazen with their frauds. His murder wasn't random either. Maybe try actually paying attention to the movie instead of trying to shoehorn this dumb "the rich must be the parasites in the story because I want them to be" meme that is totally unsupported by the actual movie.

 No.21891

>>21890
I like being fetishistic and dramatic against capitalism
I do not apologise for it

I mean did we co-ordinate to this social division of labor? No. It wasn't our choice. It was forced upon us

Just like a parasite is a being that enters you without your own will

 No.21895

>>21877
>it won't change the fact that in the film, the rich family are not the parasites
Except they are, it's decidedly subtle and done on purpose. They don't need to be caricatures of evil to passively promote their parasitism. >>21879
>for the common laymen, The title is confusing and takes away from the class issues shown which are much more clearer for everybody to understand
I suppose, I'd also add that thing are lot in translation, I'm not properly versed in the language, but I am part Korean and I know that there are some things in the culture and language that doesn't translate into English properly and so the subtle details are missed, such as the analogy of the Pak's enormous and formal celebratory party for a birthday compared to the Kim's idea of a celebration is to drink beer and "thank the good Mr. Pak" for their "kindness".

 No.21896

>>21895
Describe how the movie portray them as parasites. Nobody so far in this thread managed to do it. All the arguments for it were external to the the movie. Just because you know the rich to be parasites in real life does not mean that the movie must portray them as so. The rich being parasites does not contribute to the story, in fact it it kind of detracts from its power.

 No.21899

>>21896
>Describe how the movie portray them as parasites. Nobody so far in this thread managed to do it. All the arguments for it were external to the the movie. Just because you know the rich to be parasites in real life does not mean that the movie must portray them as so. The rich being parasites does not contribute to the story, in fact it it kind of detracts from its power.

I already did, they dispose the maid who has more a connection to the house than they do just because she became ill.

 No.21960

>>21899
That's not an example of parasitism.

 No.24066

>>19391
>I had no idea this was made by the same guy that made Okja
Yeah he made a bunch of excellent films that had interesting and based takes.

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 No.28181

>>2129
> /ourguy/ despite being a southron

a lot of people in South Korea despise the US military presence and the continued forced division of Korea by the USA. Capitalism was basically forced on South Korea by the USA, and the division of Korea was also forced by the USA. Read Bruce Cummings. Read Stephen Gowans. Listen to Blowback Season 3.

 No.28214


 No.30985

>>2129
This is a Western POV, it's rather common for S.Korean films, especially in the past decade to be subversive and anti-capitalist, the country is full of hidden fissures in society.

 No.34892

>>2129
>Snow Piercer
There's a thread for that, since nobody mentioned it here, if anyone is interested in that specific film/series >>4441

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 No.35124

>>35123
Good analysis.

 No.35154

>>35123
It's just a good thriller with somewhat of a theme of class, but the fact that it doesn't put forth a rigorous historical materialist thesis or an "alternative" to the situation depicted doesn't make it a bad piece of art. This is like a stereotype of an annoying white leftist review of media.


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