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>>22024
You're implying that Reloaded and Revolutions weren't stories that the Wachowskis didn't want to tell. It feels to me that Reloaded and Revolutions was the creators having almost full creative control, moreso than the first Matrix. Some people didn't like the sequels which is to say that studio meddling or studio controlled films are what people "want". This is proven by Path of the One video game where there's a fourth wall break with both Wachowskis talk about the ending of Revolutions and all the themes and subtext of the ending rambling on and it ends with both Wachowskis "giving the people what they want" by throwing in a Smith Kaiju fight that's SUPER EPIC BRO because no one likes all this philosophical mumbo jumbo, they just wanted an epic battle and that's it.

So they were shit talking the haters of their sequels way back then. This movie was not much different compared to the sequels and the Wachowskis had a specific vision for what they intended with this franchise that's not limited to one action movie that dude bros liked cuz they was cool fight scenes and leather.

>>22005
I liked it, but that's not the mood I expect in the Matrix

agree with other anons that the first movie is all that needed to exist, Matrix sequels are like Madoka sequels – do not add anything and break the integrity of message the original had already delivered

>>22028
What was message of the first film?

>>22030
a possibility of revolution against the system that begins with unspooking yourself from the system's conditioning

>>22032
Aye, but that's literally only the beginning of understanding the film. And if the message of the film is simply "get woke" then that means it really sucked and was childish. There's more to revolution and breaking from systems of control other than "get woke".

>>22033
the wakowski's aren't known for their writing, their movies are mostly just eye candy

>>21987
I saw it today and it is definitely the best spidy movie.

>>22033
They recently tried to do revisionism with the red pill, blue pill choice as it being related to woke stuff, but originally it was meant as critique of ideology that cloaks it self as "the natural order of things" or as reality it self. Neo-liberalism definitely does this a lot where it pretends that their ideological assumptions aren't ideological. That part of the film was pretty decent. But they also pulled a great-man theory with Neo being the one, so it's a mixed bag.

>>22041
I liked that they drove the "human batteries" plotpoint completely into the ground by making Neo/Trinity be magical supergenerators when edged. Great argument for gooning
And the whole point about them being rebuilt/resurrected/cloned versions of the originals is great meta trolling too! "Haven't aged a day!" They say to the 57 year old Keanu Reeves. Which to be fair, the man does seem to dodge half of his years.

>But they also pulled a great-man theory with Neo being the one
I took it they were retconning the one as the intended artifact of the matrix with an even cringier "power of friendship" with a side of "female character gets abuse in place of character development and now she's a badass as plot compensation". But then again, it's not like Neo or any other character got any development at all either, and the movie pretty much redid the first Matrix

>>22024
>The first movie built the story and Matrix 4 deviates only to rub it in the audience's noses why they are idiots for Resurrecting this franchise.
It's actually really funny that they did that to the point of leaving the ending open in the exact same way. With two wildcards that know CHIM instead of just Neo, like they were aiming for a remake rather than a sequel but pussied out of not recasting Carrie-Anne Moss & Keanu Reeves. Because I doubt there will be any more drive to revisit this pile of compost which was once a dead horse.

>>22037
So you prove to me that people who only liked the first film are dude bros who like esploshuns.

Watched don't look up, I kinda liked it. Movie took shots at politicians, billionaires, social media and msm and the characters were good. Kinda depressing though, when the US government scraps the mission to deviate the comet because porky wants to let it crash since it's trillions worth of minerals I didn't laugh because they would do it IRL it's not even satire at this point..

>>22069
I liked it as well. Even though some jokes didn't land and bloated multimillionaire DiCaprio shouting, "Trust the fucking scientists" was kinda cringe, overall it was a rather enjoyable doomer kino.

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>>22072
>darth trotsty
kek

Just watched don't look up on netflix and it perfectly encapsulates the failure of liberalism. It's a long ass movie and honestly its high off its own farts half the time. I think it's worth a watch once if you got some time to kill and got a friend/SO thats thinks Stephen Colbert is funny. Anyways theres a giant comet about to destroy earth and it's an allegory for climate change/pandemic and trust the scientist ect ect. What struck me was that [spoiler] that nothing the protagonist did was effective, they held a giant press tour about the fucking Comet that was going to wreck life on earth and all it ended up with was half ass protest and memes on twitter. There was one scene were one of the scientist started a riot by accident when explain the tech overlords aborted the diverted mission because they had a stupid plan to mine the comet with unproven tech for rare earth minerals at a pup. She was bag by the police and her cohort asked her "What do you want to do? Overthrow the government?" And they proceed not to do that but hold a benefits concert instead and a social media campaign. Of course this ends with the meteor crashing into earth and destroying everything. The one thing that I think hurt this movie was the end credit ending when it showed the generation ship of billionaires and politicians escaping to another planet. Of course the world is hostile and one of them gets eaten and of course all of those on the ship are 40 plus overweight oligarchs. Idk it just overplayed their idea of the technology this app husslers really have. But then again this movie is unintentionally about the failure of liberalism. Whats fascinating about this movie is the look into how they get to quietly die around the dinner table laminating how hard they tried to save us while the disinterested zoomers worry about celebs and realize how wrong they were. It was kind of a like a liberal left behind. Except in the end the maga chinlet leaders get to leave on a space ship so it shows how much of fucking losers they are. [/spoilers]

>>22076
based
people were bitching about it so much

but i am only 1 hour in and it shows what kind of an insane world capitalism has constructed

i don't care how much of a lib adam mckay is
we should spread this movie for more people to watch to help shed and erode the sense of confidence people have in capitalist institutions
it's a long line of buffons all the way down and they're wasting our resources

>>22082
And he delivered that hole thing with a serious face, dead pan master

>>22076
> But then again this movie is unintentionally about the failure of liberalism
Uhhh, unintentionally?
Because from your description it sounds like overthrowing the government and exterminating the rich to create a plan their profit motive won’t fuck up was the only actual solution even within the film.
The only way the film could have been better would of course be if humans somehow caused the asteroid to come to Earth, the real lib position is that capitalism is not directly causing ecological collapse
Anyway I hope as time shifts we will start to see genuinely communist films crop up somehow, I want a movie where climate change is solved via a world revolution that overthrows the West and has western workers use technological revolution to start rebuilding the environment

>>22097
>Because from your description it sounds like overthrowing the government and exterminating the rich to create a plan their profit motive won’t fuck up was the only actual solution even within the film.
Agreed that's why I'm so confused by so many lefties online bitching about this movie being hypocritical or profiting off of the climate emergency or something
I think they are warped in their own social media game of clout where everything has to be derided

I mean that is a very stupid form of critique no? How is a movie maker supposed to solve that?
What do you think the intention of this movie maker was?
Hold up a mirror to society? or just simply profit of a hot topic

>>22097
>Because from your description it sounds like overthrowing the government and exterminating the rich to create a plan their profit motive won’t fuck up was the only actual solution even within the film.

The movie never even implies that's a solution though. Hell there isn't even any mention of strikes. At the end it really seems like the conclusion is they didn't retweet hard enough or convince enough chinlets. Or worst yet there was no solution and we were doomed from the start. Maybe "overthrow" the government is something that can't explicitly be said and it's more coded but I didn't get that impression.


>Anyway I hope as time shifts we will start to see genuinely communist films crop up somehow, I want a movie where climate change is solved via a world revolution that overthrows the West and has western workers use technological revolution to start rebuilding the environment

Thats another thing about this movie is the rest of the world outside America is barely mentioned. There's a snippet of the U.N saying it'll build its own comet defense program. Which never gets mentioned afterwards implying that the U.S is vetoing the rest of the world from stopping a planet destroying asteroid hitting the earth. That would have been funny to see and in passing its mentioned that Russia and China had a joint mission but it failed.

>>22100
My critique of the movie is that it's good and super close to getting it. Like frustratingly close. The fact they don't wimp out and show earth getting destroyed because of American incompetence, greed and liberal inaction. Makes it worth a watch IMO. I don't expect any movie to change the world or provide morality.

>>22097
>use technological revolution to start rebuilding the environment
Capitalist realism, there's no rebuilding the environment with technology in the foreseeable future, what we destroy we can't build back. What we can do is dampen the effects of climate change to some extent with vast programs and displace threatened populations from dangerous areas. But first a world revolution bringing down capitalism should be enough to drastically cut pollution and destructing human activity, no more smartphones and cars for everyone though

>>21870
never heard of it, seems interesting
thanks

>>22076
Welp this movie shook me out of my self imposed hermit state and back into the throes of long term depression, so… yea. It was mostly the futility of it all mirroring my own and my friends' political "achievements", where at the end of the day all the effort was spun into something completely different by dishonest actors, and the shit eaters that you thought you could convince would rather spend time on their fucking twitters or be more concerned with "likeability" and "positivity" than actual critical fucking thinking, not that they don't have the attention span of an actual fucking goldfish. That no matter whether you try it the nice way or the not so nice way, you can never really win no matter how small your ask, and the concessions you might get will be so small as to be virtually insignificant, and will be undone after you're done anyway as if the system needed to return to its usual equilibrium of complete fucking retardation. Got a friend with a platform that is enjoying seeming success in his activism? Not for long, he's about to lose all of his fucking marbles due to the attention and become a part of the shit eater ecosystem. Or the fucking media theatre that is impossible to engage with critically, because you will be subsumed into it no matter what you do, used for some cheap shots and thrown away, and if you refuse to engage they'll just make some shit up about you to force you in. Refuse to engage still? Don't worry, you're old news, we're more concerned about some celeb bullshit or feel good story now, gotta throw out some more distractions for the plebs so we can keep their attention nice and unfocused.

I was convinced for a long time anyway that consensus is just a thing libs scream when they want to defang any meaningful movement for change, that any actual change can only come by physical force against a divided majority of the disinformed, the incompetent but self interested, and the downright comically evil. Then I buried these thoughts because the implications of this are torturous helplessness given the pervasiveness of the neoliberal ideology, and this movie brought it all back up.

Is it bad that I actually wanted the world to blow up and was pissing myself laughing while it was happening?

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Just watched Shang-Chi and was pretty bored. I enjoyed the last fight the most but that's about it regarding what kept my eyes on the screen. Marvel movies are just very very boring.

>>22081
I loved how on the nose the message was.
>>22192
>Is it bad that I actually wanted the world to blow up and was pissing myself laughing while it was happening?
Considering the movie is dark comedy, I guess it was the intent.

>>22103
>Thats another thing about this movie is the rest of the world outside America is barely mentioned.

There was mention like pic related. And it wasn't in passing. A stock footage of an explosion was included to depict the failure of join mission between China, Russia and India. I thought someway they will imply that USA sabotaged it.

When you see all the Twitter leftists bitching about a new movie with a somewhat anti-capitalist message, it's probably a good movie.

Literally the same people that bitch about Don't Look Up will binge The Witcher and soyface about it.

>>22227
What are they bitching about?

>>22227
Dumb fag

>>22047
i watched it cuz i like catsuits

Just watched The Holy Mountain.

It’s a weird one, for sure, and though it was loaded up with absurd imagery, it was more coherent than people online had led me to believe. At its core it’s a heist movie, but with the creative twist of the things to be stolen are immortality and enlightenment, and the main security features to get overcome are all mind-based attacks.

The main problem with the film is that it has a backwards/idealist conception of social change. It seems to more-or-less correctly identify social ills. The Alchemist calls the wealthy industrialists, financiers, cops, and economists “thieves,” and they’re shown being generally terrible, creating war-propaganda for children, massacring protesters, calling for mass-death for the sake of the economy, making “psychedelic shotguns,” etc. However, it seems to suggest that the antidote to all this is for those sorts of people, explicitly stated to be the world’s most powerful beings, to become spiritually-enlightened. As we all know that rarely happens, and if the powerful did in fact do away with all their wealth, without systemic changes they would just be replaced by more vicious and corrupt newcomers, who would then have more influence over society. Additionally, movements like that seem to be easily coopted and recuperated.

The film had its moments though, like the fight scene at the top of the tower, the bar patrons (“I have conquered the mountain! Horizontally!”), and when going through the roster of planet-themed accomplices.

>>22234
I hate this movie with a passion and consider it the quintessential "pretentious trash" film.

>>22235
Haha I love it so much I watch it every year or so under the influence, I guess it's one of those movies you hate or love.

>>22234
I did not get the part at the end where Jodorowsky literally walks to the camera, breaks the fourth wall by breaking my screen and stands in front of me in flesh, only to aggressively read tarrot card for me.
Fortunately I had seen the movie pre-covid times and he was carrying his credit card so it wasn't hard to get him back to Chile.

>>22235

I mean, I disagree, but I see where you’re coming from.

>>22234
are there boobs in it? looks like a movie with boobs in it
update me if there are boobs in it

Matrix 4 was fucking perfect.

>>22245
Oh yeah there are boobs in it, and a lot of sexual stuff, and shit turned to gold

Thoughts on Barton Fink?

Just watched JoJo Rabbit, loved it. I honestly can't enjoy alot of shit these days. My brain turns off for so many movies but I was engaged watching this movie.

>>22254
i was joking but wow i will check it out

>>22255
i liked him in simpsons

>>22256
glad you did, that scarlett johansson scene was so fucked up
i got hyped as fuck when the red army invaded but it was still a dark comedy in the end

Don't Look Up was nice.
I feel like why online people might be averse to it is that they're conditioned to think that any comment on politics or whatever has to have its own kind of "position" behind it, like the person's a liberal which is why they're critiquing X in such a way, which they're probably conditioned because it's so good at shutting up criticism of whatever they believe, so they go completely haywire when they come across what's basically just a simple satire.

>>22355
The first time they meet the President, it showed a photo with her and Bill and Hillary Clinton on the desk. So the movie actually implies she might be a Democrat.
>simple satire
Exactly. You could imagine the satirical scenario happen under Trump, Biden or anybody else.

>>22355
Agreed and some people online are literally just worthless critics as that is their entire personality

>>22355
>>22357
>>22360
It’s honestly really weird how people here and a lot of leftists I’ve seen took that movie
It never says the President’s party and she could easily be from either Party based off who they show her with so it’s clear the writers were shitting on both the DNC and GOP
They show that celebs are basically useless and celebrity activism is worth nothing since it changes nothing in the end (even when the celebs genuinely have their hearts in the right place)
It shows that the news stations are designed to make the masses basically immobilized, either by scaremongering about meaningless shit, denial, or downplaying things that are clearly catastrophic with faux civility
Shows how scientists can easily be manipulated by political and business interests even if they’re trying to do the right thing and how many scientists directly work for these interests
The ultimate villains in the movie are a stand in for Musk/Bezos/Gates and the US government
It is also heavily implied that the US nuked the Chinese-Russian-Iranian attempt at stopping the comet

If anything the scientists would have been better off spreading the news to common people as far and as honestly as possible, since the only ones portrayed sympathetically outside of the leads are the common people they cut to

If anything while it isn’t explicitly socialist it does have socialist leanings imo, and in terms of cinematography I find the random clips showing all the animals and people who are about to be destroyed to be incredibly poignant and sad

This is a proper example of cinema made for the climate shifted world, since the film is almost explicitly about climate change showing all the innocents that are about to be lost is incredibly heartbreaking, very few apocalyptic films make a point to show the extent of the tragedy