Sandals vs Sneakers vs Boots
Which is the goatest and most practical of them all, comrade?
For the everyday man
Which one will cause the least foot problems and encourage the best foot health?
Nude feet hippies stay out
>>24238Sneakers. Don't get glue shoes either. I don't like flat soles as much either. No high tops either because those are practicaly boots and come with all the same problems.
Sneakers(if they aren't high tops) are easy to slip on and slip off and they don't inhibit the ankle.
Boots inhibit ankle, hard to put on or take off.
Sandals, don't protect the foot and are flat sole.
boots look better and protect your feet better than sneakers
unless youre going to run a marathon get boots
nobody cares about sandals
>>24239>Boots inhibit ankleyou mean protect ankles and prevent sprains lol
>>24244You have to undo and redo laces whereas with a sneaker you can slip them on and off.
>>24243>you mean protect ankles and prevent sprains lolLol. Torqueing your ankle is better than falling. The fuck would you want to reduce flexibilty of your ankle for.
Best argument: what sport uses boots? It's just obvious.
>>24247what does having flexibility in ankle in day to day life help with? genuinely asking
wouldn't having the support of a high top help?
>>24243Maybe I'm just a clumsy bitch. But I feel far less agile in boots and therefore way more likely to trip
>>24245>>24254Alright, real talk. Are those any good?
>>24269>Alright, real talk. Are those any good?It seems like a great idea but probably ends up in 5 perfect little fungal chambers per shoe.
something like a converse with better arch support could be better but idk.
>>24294so das boot is the primo option? even if i live in a really hot and humind enviornment??
>>24295what's special about these boots
>>24298>even if i live in a really hot and humind enviornment??how hot we speaking, i wear leather boots even during summer
if its that much of an issue just get cheap sneakers anyway, but they will NOT last and you will spend more in the long run
>>24313>>24314>>24317Show me the evidence. Obviously there are much larger profits to be made using less materials so claiming it's something made up to sell running shoes is a stretch. The whole thing about running shoe sole design improving running is a pretty modern thing. The design likely came purely from work related practicality of needing a thicker sole for safety and from fashion trends mimicing high healed shoes and making men appear taller. A tall flat platform is easier to trip over so they likely made the shoes sloped for that reason. So not a conspiracy. Ever heard of Earth shoes? It was popular trend a while where these shoes had a reversed slope originally invented by some yoga guy.
I never see anyone actually support these claims that early humans only forefoot ran and some barefoot shoe enthusiasts even claim walked on their forefeet. It's purely based on guess work. First lets get away the obvious with walking. I mention walking since I have seen some barefoot people on YouTube claiming you should walk on your forefoot. Anyway heel strike walking existed even before hominids as seen in fossil evidence.
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/science/tanzania-footprints-offer-clues-origin-human-upright-walking-2021-12-01/ I couldn't even find a single paper that discusses this site in Australia mentioning forefoot or midfoot running strides of this ancient "Olympic" sprinter. Can you find any discussion of fossil evidence supporting forefoot or midfoot running?
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/20-000-year-old-human-footprints-found-in-australiaHow people run barefoot or minimal shoed is pretty varied even when it's the norm for their culture and it's thought to depend on things like speed and running time and like I mentioned before the type of ground hardness or softness likely a factor. These papers were interesting
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0052548 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2095254614000350Oh also if you want cheaper ones there always is Feiyue I've found out. Apparently there are two versions.
https://feiyue-kungfu-shoes.blogspot.com/2010/03/chinese-feiyue-vs-french-feiyue.html?m=1 >>24322I have a pair of those exact shoes. I think mine are the Chinese ones. I got them cheap on amazon. They look cool but white cloth is hard to keep clean beware.
>>24297Sandal wearers.
>>24318What my dad told me he said people brought nice boots to the field but they didn't last. Whereas with the rubber sandals, when they break, you just take a hot knife and melt them back together and they're good as new lol.
>>24324How are you going to be cobbling in the field while you're at war. Are you going to lug around some cobblers tools just for your boots?
>>24325They have a company named on the tongue:
These are the exact version I think
https://www.tigerclaw.com/feiyue-shoes-martial-arts-pr-7012.htmlI think that makes them the Chinese ones because it says the y looks more like a v on the Chinese ones.
Pretty well. I haven't used them as much as some other shoes. Their is the dirt problem like I mentioned. I need to clean my pair thoroughly. As far as construction it's hard to tell on the white ones, but the rubber sole raps around the toe a lot more than other shoes. Probably siginificantly reduces the possibility of the shoes end up "talking" I don't know what the point of failure will be on them.
>>24332Sure but I'm still not seeing evidence of early humans exclusively forefoot or even midfoot running. I have no opinion just going by evidence. As for gimmicks sometimes they do absolutely nothing but sell but other times they make logical sense like the Nike Vaporfly (or Alphafly which appears to have even larger a drop) which has a pretty curved heel which means people running with it probably arent losing as much energy in a heel strike because it will be propelled forward more basically just rolling off the step and because the drop they technically are using their forefeet mostly for the pushup plus their momentum thus using their hip muscles more than normal heel striking closer to forefoot striking but with the heel rise there less calf muscles will be in use since the foot doesn't need manually raised by the runner which is a weak point even in well trained individuals due to being smaller. Im sure you can agree the thigh muscles have more potential than the calves due to size. So when there is a drop more than 0 it's not a true heel strike anyway because the foot never makes it parallel to the ground while mid step. So this whole thing is somewhat semantic.
Anyway I can vouch for having injured my foot from wearing boots that were too stiff and too large a size because how it altered my walking in the snow in winter. One time had a blood blister under my big toe has to worry the nail may fall off thankfully it never did. Another time I had some swelling under the ball of my foot which eventually caused further injury causing minor neuropathy in a toe. Oddly both happened on same foot on different years.
>>24336Shoes wear out fast now because the sole on a lot of shoes isn't sewn to the upper. It's just lightly glued so they just split very quickly. On a shoe where the sole is sewn to the upper you will develop a toe hole in the top before the sole splits from the upper.
It's probably partly planned obsolescence but it's probably mostly because it's easier to glue two pieces together than sew them together.
>>24335But where is the archaeological evidence? Once the joints wear out it's bone on bone and would make markings on the bone. Where are the people pointing out fossils have much less abrasion there? Evolution isn't intelligent design. There are plenty of things that could be better in the human skeletal system and muscles and tendons. Anyway Im not saying there was for sure no forefoot running till recent, rather Im going toward what evidence suggests that forefoot and midfoot running is situational not default in every scenario. Humans can outrun distance any animal on the planet, did you know that? Logically this difference must be due to running different which is either down to bipedalism or heel striking. So for long distance running heel striking (or at least midfoot) seems more likely. Forefoot probably appears more in short sprints. As mentioned before forefoot running is less energy efficient which is why heel striking makes more sense for long distances regardless of any knee wear. Plus that energy has to go somewhere. You may take wear off the knees but you exchange that for the hip flexors and the ankles joints and the ankle tendons which can be quite fragile. So a varried approach would reduce wear and tear overall by distributing it through all the joints over time.
>>24336Yes, some shoes with thicker soles have deeper treds so they actually can last longer than shoes with thin soles and thinner treads if any tracktion is important and still longer if it's not important. Though I can see this going both ways. On various of my shoes I find wear marks on the heels where my foot has slightly dragged when taking steps and some people may try to replace that.
>>24337The opposite also exists. Some companies that want to be seen as eco friendly don't use any glue and sew everything.
>>24338>Some companies that want to be seen as eco friendly don't use any glue and sew everything.ive never seen this pushed as ecofriendly lol
not like it matters, if its sewn its going to be more durable than glued on shit
>>24338>Humans can outrun distance any animal on the planet, did you know that? Logically this difference must be due to running different which is either down to bipedalism or heel striking.Humans can't seem to beat other animals that have been bipedal far longer than us, such a ostriches and kangaroos. So yes, bipedalism is the key. Another major difference between us and most other animals however is the fact that we perspire to cool ourselves. Only a few other mammals do this.
>As mentioned before forefoot running is less energy efficient which is why heel striking makes more sense for long distances regardless of any knee wear.Two sources cited in one of the studies you posted dispute this. In fact it seems there is no metabolic difference between the two:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20154195/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22217565/ >>24313so how exactly are we supposed to run that utilizes those muscles?
>>24323there's a friggin sandal monument… wow
Also if proper outdoor ready soft-soled moccasins werent so expensive id consider walking in those. Though theyd need little rubber nub grips for when walking around in a grocery store or something to reduce floor slippage
>>24369Almost forgot about ostriches but still Ive heard humans can go furthest. Ostriches are fast though due to their opposite knee direction I think(?). Im not sure how far ostriches travel. I'm not sure they are the best comparison for distance against humans from the different leg mechanics though I can understand you mentioning them since I assume you're trying to compare their knee with our ankle ? The stride length is different at that point. Anyway though humans are only bipedals that move the way we do that is alive and well studied so unfortunately it's a difficult subject.
As for energy usage I think what I've read somewhere wasnt talking metabolic energy inherently but more about the physics though I suppose that does in end fall back to metabolism to a degree unless something else is different. Logically if there isnt a difference the lack of is not due to heel versus forefoot but because forefoot runners lean further forward so gravity propels them forward since i have seen forefoot runners sugesting needing to lean forward but Im not sure on that. Anyway it's all speculation till someone actually is able to find evidence of how people used to naturally run in all different scenarios. I would like someone familiar with what footprints show explain old fossils of humans running. Like I said I attempted to find something but didnt luck out.
>>24370Ooft fuck. This is more confusing than i thought. Okay apparently there are two names that are legit Chinese Feiyue. One is DaFu and the other is TOP One. DaFu is more often the high tops and Top One more often you find in low tops. DaFu has a pointier toe like Converse shape I guess while Top One is more wider someone said so more toe room. I have no idea why the differences exist. DaFu was the first though it originally made boots for the military. TOP One is the one kung fu Shaolin monks are into supposedly. As if it wasnt confusing enough with the French brand that's basically a official knockoff you got two legit Chinese ones. So those knockoffs you saw probably weren't even knockoffs.
>>24371That's what happens when minor disagreements appear.
>>24376>Foot behind the kneeAs in leaning forward, or just oddly crouched down a bit?
>>24423>>24424wtf how are you guys doing that?
how do i cimb walls, there isn't anything to grapple on
>>24433>yeah they're super comfortable, since there's almost no structure to them, its just like cloth around your foot and ankle, but you have a really grippy bottom so its easy don't wrestle me for this
but then…
are socks a viable alternative to shoes? they are also just clothes on your feet
socksMAXXing?
>>24498what is this templeate? i didn't know about it while making
could you show me
>>24503steel toe boots must be fun,
are there any practial usage for it other than kicking people?
what's a thong
>>24571gonna need a whole another thread for that
do you know what they call the tip at the end of a lace?
>>24338>Humans can outrun distance any animal on the planet, did you know that? Logically this difference must be due to running different which is either down to bipedalism or heel striking.Why would that have anythign to do with heel striking? Also persistence hunters usually walked instead of running because that would do the job. Only having to move 2 limbs is vastly more advantageous than the details of what is going on with your feet.
>As mentioned before forefoot running is less energy efficient which is why heel striking makes more sense for long distances regardless of any knee wearYou can afford to burn a bit more energy running when your bipedalism allows you to outrun anything. The gain in energy use compared to the huge advantage that already exists would be pointless and definitely not worth joint wear, especially if you are walking and running around constantly, which our ancestors were doing. We walk and run for cardio to avoid being too sedentery. They were always on the move.
> Plus that energy has to go somewhere. You may take wear off the knees but you exchange that for the hip flexors and the ankles joints and the ankle tendons which can be quite fragile. So a varried approach would reduce wear and tear overall by distributing it through all the joints over time. You are not putting
more strain on your hips by adding shock absorption at your ankles. Heel striking only has the padding of the flesh on your heel, plus the soft tissue in your joints to cushion the impact from your heel to your knee to your hip to your spine. With the ankle movement in play the shock is reduced from all of those. The ankle joints and tendons are only "fragile" if they are underdeveloped, as on people who have not trained them through regular use during their lifetime. Tendons and ligaments respond to training much like muscles, although a lot more slowly. What you are saying is like saying that we aren't designed to stand up because people today spend so much time sitting that standing for long periods is difficult.
>>24593Follow the trail of posts. I said pretty much all there is to say. I dont feel like repating myself.
>>24595>LARP>doesn't want to look like dorkCan't be done. Maybe get some boat shoes or something else waterproof.
>>24735WTF REAL?
>>24736sadge
is there any hope for goretex shit to get leaked and for people to start using it?
>>25173are these better than slippers?
i heard slippers are bad for feet but would they be if you're just wearing them casually around the house
>>28673Never heard of house shoes before?
>>25174They're cool but retarded because pebbles get between your toes. Maybe if they covered the gaps between the toes so that can't happen they would make more sense.
>>28675what are house shoes
post 'em
waterproof hiking boots, paired with socks they work in-40 winters too, tho I dont recommend it
>>28673>Do people wear shoes inside there?No, we take our shoes off by the front door, in fact its rude to wear shoes indoors
>>28677i meant inside the
pee pee and poo poo room
>waterproof hiking bootsis that vessi shoe that yt be shilling good? they seem to genuinely like it
also is it a bad idea to buy football shoes for regular non football use
they look colourful as fuck
>>28676Basically slippers and other slip ons. Kind of a catchall for shoes that are only meant to be worn indoors.
Pic1 is from an article that said top 20 house shoes for women, but it shoes you the general variety.
>>28720Thank you, I love 3
The casualness of it all
Are these kinds of shoes bad for our feet
>>29952AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>29953i like walking inside, doing this
thinking of getting this
anyone have experience owning these kind of shoes?
>>29958I assume the middle one is best for me, I got flat feet
And high arch support I've heard is bad, I've been using a very flat sneaker and it's been gucci for me
Do y'all buy your shoes online or still prefer to go to a brick and mortar place and get them fitted and felt?
*Collectors need not apply
>>30015I thought the distinction between a shoe and a slipper was the way it goes around your ankle and fully covers it
>>30057jungle boots is what i've gotta call them while searching right? they look good
>>30138anything wrong with being spacious, do you feel they'll come off if you run
>>30286are these zero drop?
i don't know if basetball shoes and football shoes can be wore like regular
i hope they can be
>>24238depends on the purpose. for running, running shoes give you a strong advantage due to energy return.
for general wear, zero rises are best. Converse or any of the many "barefoot shoes".
for hiking (backpack < 20 lbs), shoes are good
for backpacking(backpack > 20 lbs or on loose/rough terrain) boots are best.
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