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 No.27268

There has been rise in film makers lately who just think if the photographic aspect of their cinema is great that means great cinema. This is just wrong, dead wrong. Cinema is the most powerful mode of story telling and if you are not able to tell anything through this medium then you are just intellectually bankrupt. If I only wanted great photography, I could just browse collection of paintings and photographs. Why would I need to see a film? Capitalism is truly creating the most mediocre cancer in history when it comes to Art and Literature.

 No.27269

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then there are such degenerates

 No.27336

>>27268
>film makers
Which film makers are you talking about exactly? I see what you mean and I agree with it but I would like to know which ones are in this case, according to you.
Also, I think a big part of the problem is because the writers are incredibly neglected compared to directors, if writers and so writing were more recognized, we would have less shitty screenplays.

 No.27338

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>>27336
>Also, I think a big part of the problem is because the writers are incredibly neglected compared to directors, if writers and so writing were more recognized, we would have less shitty screenplays.
Hollywood people just have terrible tastes. They're all pseuds of the highest order. Look up the blacklist+screenplays. The blacklist is a list of unproduced spec screenplays floating around hollywood ranked by the number of reccommendations by hollywood insiders. It's all the most inane oscar-bait trash imaginable.

I do agree writers are actually crazy unrecognized. It's funny how people seem to credit quotable lines to the actors who said them or the famous director who directed the film(assuming they don't write their own screenplays of course.) Like really? Who wrote the actual words you're quoting. Certainly not the actor.

Like for example that Irishmen movie by Scorsese. I read that spec screenplay like back in 2010. It's funny seeing the movie coming out and every one going Scorsese this Scorsese that about the movie. From my perspective that movie was just a visual transposition of the script. Everything happened exactly like I already imagined it from the reading. "Scorsese was indulgent with his long movie, this story choice that story choice." Bro it was exactly like the script was. The script was long and indulgent. Scorsese just followed the fucking blueprints. It's like crediting the foreman instead of the architect for the design of the building.

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 No.27340

>>27339
So I should've said Oscar-bait/ ??? I can't call it. It always blows my mind reading these loglines and I'm just like "who the fuck wants to see this movie?" Crazy.

>two tickets for Chang Can Dunk please!

 No.27353

true
the separation of cinematic art from theatre is a big part of this too
old hollywood used to be deeply intertwined with broadway and even a lot of avant garde underground movements, for instance screenwriters were almost always playwrights at first, and actors were formally trained on the stage for years at a time
the move away from this around the late 20th century has resulted in mediocrities like wes anderson and others like him

 No.27356

>>27353
also hollywood was a refuge for people blacklisted from other forms of entertainment or ignored otherwise, like because they were jewish or black or whatever
the hays code and anti-communist witch hunts changed that though

 No.27388

>>27353
Counterpoint: Movies are a different medium and everybody in movies coming from theatre would held movies back from developing as an artform on its own terms. Among the first TV shows were just people reading radio plays while being filmed. Imagine if all TV shows were like that.

Modern movies have atrocious and garbled delivery of speech and this is directly linked to actors lacking the theatre experience, I give you that.

 No.27424

>>27338
>From my perspective that movie was just a visual transposition of the script.
And the script, in this case, was just a transposition of the book.

 No.27425

>>27424
>And the script, in this case, was just a transposition of the book.
Huh, didn't even realize it was a book. Well I guess even more reason making a big deal of it as "A Martin Scorsese film" is stupid. Like calling A Harry Potter flick "A Chris Columbus film"

 No.27426

>>27425
Kind of got me thinking about adaptions in general. Funny how they're their own category in the Oscars that kind of puts it on par with original screenplay. Most of the time when I've read a movie and seen the film adaptation they're just a pared down version with things cut for time. I guess why shouldn't they be, why pay for the rights to something and change it dramatically. The original fanbase usually hates that, but still kind of crazy to put that much respect on just taking a story in one format and just transcribing it into another format.

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 No.27624

>>27618
Correct take. If I want a good story I will read it. When I go watch a movie I want people more smarter than me to represent and manifest into imagery a story better than I could ever imagine. Sorry OP but you are wrong.

 No.32949


 No.32950

>>27268
>>27339
>Movies about asians
>Movies that copy already existing movies/media
>Stories about famous people(including Kanye lol)
>Romantic comedies my mother watches

 No.32964

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>>32950
No kidding, most of these were so fucking bad. One or two sounded alright but fuck man…. The only new movies I enjoy anymore are animated ones.

 No.32965

>>27268
Can't we just allow both 'normal' movies and artistic wank? And force the two to be clearly labelled?

 No.32979

>why is this visual medium wasting all this time on visuals???

 No.32980

>>32964
>upstart shoe company

bro they were in business for 20 years already when they got air jordans and im pretty sure they were already huge

 No.32981

>>32964
also lol I somehow think this kanye movie won't get made now

seriously though these movies all sound like fucking parodies lmao, something about the way the summary is written is like how you would format a joke tweet about a shitty movie idea

 No.32983

>>27336
>>27338
>if writers and so writing were more recognized, we would have less shitty screenplays.
>Hollywood people just have terrible tastes. They're all pseuds of the highest order.
You can trace the decline of writing quality back to the big writers' strike. They got rid of everyone who knew what they were doing.

 No.32988

>>27618
Said it better than I could.

 No.33053

>>32979
Movies are a narrative medium
Even as far the visuals go, they are only ever sequenced to help form a narrative
If you can't tell the inherent difference between a frame of a movie and the movie itself, then you don't understand

 No.33065

>>33053
>Movies are a narrative medium
False


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