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 No.2906

За Победу!

Post photographs, videos, documents, maps, medals and stories relating to the Great Patriotic War.
Post about WW-II history you know or want to know about. Primarily Soviet focused but includes others too.

If you have a soviet veteran in your family history, feel free to create an account and register their name, photo and any other information at http://moypolk.ru
No shitposting

 No.2907

File: 1608525689191.jpg (51.05 KB, 724x420, Ustashi post murder.jpg)

Pic: Ustashi (WW2 Croatian Nazi collaborators) villan Mishko Ratkovich, from Trilj, Dalmatia, with fellow ustashi member, stained in fresh human blood, 1941. Image and article taken from:
http://www.6yka.com/blogovi/blog/22306/kad-se-igras-bogova

Article (translated to English, badly)

Playing Gods

When I first saw this photo, it reminded me of Pishonja and Zhuga, Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn, and the beautiful moments I've spent with friends. I remember those barbecues and drunk nights, going out, field trips and camping. I love happy, smiling people, I enjoy hanging out with them, but most of all I love being like that, because you'll agree, such moments don't come often. A guitar always on hand, and my friend Lemmy, who always starts with a washed out old hit song, like "Fratello" from Aerodrom. We were very happy and fulfilled those days, a bit like the youths from the photo, who look a lot like our parents on old photos from work actions, or from their time in the army. Cute and beautiful, full of life. However, that which differentiates their smile from ours, is that their faces and hands are literally covered in human blood. They are members of an ustashi formation, which in 1941. performed indescribable crimes, on those they thought to be unworthy to live, and the results of a mistake in God's creation.
It seems unreal, that someone who slaughtered a man, woman or child, mere ten minutes ago, can be laughing and seem happy. I do not doubt that it is impossible, for they say that a man feels indescribable power while killing another. They say that feeling is much more potent than orgasmic ecstasy, so it is without a doubt that they enjoyed "playing gods".

Look once more on their faces. I do not wish for you to see Croatians in them, so do not start with the story of who started and who finished what, whose history is true, and whose isn't. I simply imagine myself on my knees, in front of the feet of one of these youths, with a knife under my neck. Just like that, without any euphemisms. Luckily, I cannot feel the pain, or the fear of death, but I can certainly say that I cannot see the past, grandfathers glorious battles, nor am I any longer a Jew or a Gypsy. I only feel the powerlessness of my body, and the cold, the blinded young man, with bloody hands, killing me for sport and fun. This must be what a man feels, only moments away from death.

Feel free to stop reading, if you are here to confirm for yourself how Croats are a disgusting horde of child eating cannibals. I do not want to talk about that, nor do I believe in it, and I know that non-humans exist, of all nations of this world, whose actions are demonic, as it would be cruel to animals to call such men beasts. It would benefit every man, especially those with hot heads, if we ask ourselves, does a similar demon live in our soul? An imp wishing revenge, drinking lemonade and preaching about enemies that do not exist. If we remember that demon, than we will realize why many of our neighbors, regardless of who's they were, changed their faces over night, and became ruthless murderers. Gentlemen, every one of us has the potential to be that "neighbor". So this has nothing to do with Croats, nations, creeds and tribes, as this is exclusively about man, moral and ethics, his empathies and principles. Therefore a genocidal nation does not exist, but only a genocidal individual.

Nazism, fascism and their close relative nationalism, are all wrapped together in patriotism, they will forever remain in the minds of men, as an inexplicable occurrence in mankind's past, present and future, proving that we do not have issues with those different from us, but with the evil lurking within us. So if we do not work on that, our demons will frolic for centuries, with bloody hands and faces, and we will be all, but not living, laughing youths from the photo.

Who are you? Where from? I do no know, but the warmth I cherish
On your light. Sing. For I am silent,
Only now to live, though I will perhaps perish.
I feel the coming of Holy Freedom and Vengeance so violent,
Your song brings back the twinkle to my eye,
A forceful as the people, as the sun up on high

Ivan Goran Kovačić – Jama

Original author:
https://www.facebook.com/Vilinpastuh-198441853942817/
https://vilinpastuh.wordpress.com/

 No.2908

>>2907
Dis these bastards received Uncle Tito’s spelunking extravaganza like they deserve?

 No.2913

The Unknown War; a 1978 WWII doc hosted by the late Burt Lancaster; Lancaster walks through the Soviet Union telling of past histories and meeting veterans of the Eastern Front as the wraparound, the majority of the doc is composed of footage from the war.
Doesn’t engage in bs about muh evil reds and describes the historical context behind many of the Soviet Union’s actions. And thus we are told in full, the heroism, courage, and sacrifice of the men and women of the Red Army.

There are 20 episodes, each roughly an hour long, enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfLzvgzsb9TifHZ7atjvqaLinfp1lfs3R

 No.4025

File: 1608525788833.jpg (111.98 KB, 985x555, Revis Coin.jpg)

- https://www.rt.com/news/460089-wwii-coin-soviet-allies/
- http://archive.fo/YnYBh

If I wasn't so used to such callous disregard for the Soviet sacrifice and the over-all sacrifices of people fighting in WW-2 I would be furious at this. As it is I will merely write an obscure post in the hopes that I bring this issue to the attention of a few people.

The USSR could have won WW-II single handedly.

1) Japan: The Japanese were so terrified of conflict with the USSR that they kept a permanent force in Manchuria, made up of their best troops and after the decisive loss at Khalkin Gol in 1939, they decided that the USA would be the better opponent, especially since, unlike the USSR, the USA had been actively pressuring their economy by denying them trade due to their expansion across the Pacific.*

When the Stalin acted on the agreement they made with Roosevelt to declare war on the Japanese and help in the invasion of Japan (an agreement that Truman tried his best to sabotage). The Soviets wrecked the Manchurian forces in a two weeks losing 12,000 troops dead to Japans 84,000 and arriving only 50km from Hokkaido Island, and their declaration of war was the reason the Japanese surrendered, the Atom bomb being a pointless, genocidal addition of Truman's**. Also, to point out something leading into #2, over the entire Soviet European war, Stalin kept permanent divisions on the Manchurian border, assisted by its ally Mongolia.
- https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/
- http://archive.fo/HhBtr
- http://archive.fo/H1xpM

2) Germany/Europe: If the Pacific Front and Atlantic Front was primarily US and UK fought, the European front was primarily Soviet fought. This is undeniable. They had everything set against them. Germany had the factories and resources of all Europe sans Britain available to them as well as several million volunteers from Europe who sympathized in the anti-communist crusade. They invaded without any restraint, letting war-crimes of every kind slide by: Rape, murder, experimentation, razing homes to the ground, destroying millions of buildings, thousands of villages and towns and dozens of cities. The USSR, moved its factories gathered its people's army and stopped the Germans dead in their tracks and pushed them back. It was the USSR that killed 80% of the troops on the Eastern Front.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=921020

The most amusing thing about this shitty coin is that it also doesn't depict fucking Winston Churchill or Charles De Gaulle despite having them on the other side as allies, let alone Stalin. American exceptionalism at its most blatant.

*If the Japanese had struck a little earlier and caught the US carriers that had been sent out before the Pearl Harbor Strike, it is completely possible that the USA may have lost far more than it did, something that would have caused far greater Pacific losses and lengthened the war. The USA got extraordinarily lucky.

** "Let me say only this much to the moral issue involved: Suppose Germany had developed two bombs before we had any bombs. And suppose Germany had dropped one bomb, say, on Rochester and the other on Buffalo, and then having run out of bombs she would have lost the war. Can anyone doubt that we would then have defined the dropping of atomic bombs on cities as a war crime, and that we would have sentenced the Germans who were guilty of this crime to death at Nuremberg and hanged them?" - Leo Szilard, Interview: President Truman Did Not Understand. U.S. News and World Report. 15 August 1960. pp. 68–71.

 No.5125

File: 1608525900696.jpg (264.13 KB, 960x720, img17.jpg)

Even children were fighting in this war.
A notable example is Lusia Radyno (Люся Радыно). In May 1942, she was evacuated from Leningrad to Stalingrad after her mother died. Her father had been called up to the front. In August 1942 an officer came to the orphanage where she was and informed them that the Red Army was looking for volunteers to do scout and infiltration work. Lusia, at the age of 12, was among those who volunteered.
On her first mission into the German flank Lucia was detained by German soldiers. She told them that she was going to the fields where she was growing vegetables with other children in order not to die of hunger. They believed her, but they still sent me to the kitchen to peel potatoes. Lucy realized that she could find out the number of German soldiers simply by counting the number of peeled potatoes. She delivered the information after escaping.
In 3 months of work in intelligence, she performed Six more combat missions, explorating and probing individual objects and routes across the River Don and to the West of Stalingrad, together with Elena Konstantinovna Alekseeva, under the guise of a mother and daughter.
In November 1942 she fell ill to typhoid. After being cured in the hospital she was not returned to the front, and was instead sent by command, to finish her education, and sent back to school, placed in 5th grade.
She was awarded the medals «За отвагу» (For Courage) and «За оборону Сталинграда» (For the Defense of Stalingrad).
After the war she returned to Leningrad where she became a teacher of younger classes at the Grodno school No. 17, going under the name Людмила Владимировна Бесчастнова (Lyudmila Vladimirovna Beschastnova).

http://stalingrad.vpravda.ru/stati/yunaya-razvedchica-lyusya-radyno-shest-raz-hodila-na-zadaniya-152

 No.5129

File: 1608525901590.jpg (169.81 KB, 972x496, Soviet-Purges.jpg)

>>2907
I don't think the common denominator here is racism or ideology.
It is a matter of psychology.
It takes a very specific mind to be able to murder innocents and pose for a fun photo op covered in their blood. It is the same type of person that can pose for a photo smiling while they rape a child.
The common thread here is of psychopathy, a lack of remorse or empathy, and instead a preponderance of sadism and lust for violence against one's fellow man, woman, child.
On the question of who could do such a thing, Most people luckily would be incapable of such an action, let alone relish in it. The narrative that such evil is present in all of us is bullshit, and reflective more of the ruling class. I have no doubt that these men would pounce at the chance to rape and murder their own communities, if only they were allowed, or could dodge the consequences. The problem then is one of allowing monsters to live and reproduce alongside us, evil is not endemic to the human race but is divisible from it.

 No.5132

>>5129
>psychopathy, a lack of remorse or empathy
Then how do you explain 'normal' soldiers of the Wehrmacht committing warcrimes and smiling as well? They would be horrified to do that to others as civilians. The answer is decades of propaganda and dehumanization, as well as military experience, can let them go along with a mob mentality and do such things in "good fun". The same happened with US soldiers in Vietnam and with many other soldiers since warfare became an "art".
People do this all the time, yet later have remorse and regrets. It is the "following the schoolyard bully and reveling in his actions" trope with all its internal regret, except taken to a very deadly level; instead of beating the "outcast" to uphold schoolyard status quo, you murder the "untermensch" to show your loyalty to the Reich. This kind of evil is present in almost all humans, it would be a rare saint to not have them whatsoever, the difference being how strong is the person in resisting such feelings from arising and what the situation is in which they find themselves in. Obviously some people are more psychopathic than others but that is not the same as saying only some are monsters.
This includes Hitler:
I highly suggest reading La Part de l'autre by Éric-Emmanuel Schmitt. In it he writes out the parallel lives of Hitler in real life and if he had been accepted into Art School, and how that one pivotal moment lead to whether he would be set on the path to fascism or not. Hitler, for all we may detest his ideology and actions, was as human as anyone else; he felt despair and happiness, felt passion and indifference, love and hate, he was mortal and not supernatural; bled red blood and breathed the same air. In all senses, biological and mental he was human.
This is the human comedy, the nonsensical conflict between people who are living, breathing beings that fall into situations that seem so inhumane over inane personal strife that seems to infect the mind with irrationality, leaving one with mostly regrets.
This does not excuse warcrimes, however it does explain them and why PEOPLE do them and why the PEOPLE who do them REMAIN PEOPLE. They may be scum but they are HUMAN scum… it is a rare sadist who is inhumane enough to be an inhuman monster, and those people have no true emotions outside of murderous, torturous intent. An example of this would be DirleWanger, Himmler and Mengele, people who had nothing but contempt for humans in general but focused on a propagandized Untermensch so as to be acceptable in the Nazi Society.

TL;DR: The SS and the Croats and the other happy warcriminals of the Third Reich may be monsters but it is important to remember that these monsters are humans and that their monstrosity comes from something that all conscious humans possess.

>Soviet Purges.jpg

I can't tell if this is a joke or not.

 No.5199

https://www.eurasiareview.com/14052020-russia-wwii-and-propaganda-oped/

Debunking the 3 "facts"
1)
>Muh Molotov Ribbentrop Pact
>Muh poor Poland!
>Muh enabling USSR
Poland had stopped fighting by the 17th with its government fleeing the country. Earlier the USSR asked permission to enter Poland, did not receive a rebuke and therefore entered, occupying the lands agreed upon as under Soviet influence. The only reason they even entered was because Poland unexpectedly failed to fight back in any proper fashion and ended up giving up the country to Hitler. The only reason the Non-Aggression Pact was made in the first place was due to a refusal of the signing of any anti-German alliances by Britain and France who were hoping to provoke a German-Soviet war and were willing to even sacrifice Czechoslovakia to do so. Moreover until 1939 Poland was best-buddies with Hitler and propagated the same fascist ideology. Without Pilsudski, the Polish government was simply too cowardly to assist in a war against the USSR and thus Hitler just took them over.

2)
>consequences of neglect from Soviet authorities
>Muh Winter War
>Muh Army Purges
As has been repeated on leftypol many times the Soviet leadership took great pains in evacuating its citizens and their cities. Leningrad's road of life was the most perilous supply-line of the war, only comparable to the Convoys from the USA to Britain. Even ethnic groups that displayed counter-revolutionary and collaborationist tendencies were only deported, rather than summarily executed as would have been easier (and done by the Germans).
The Purges were shown to have improved the standing of the Red Army and its officers and despite issues, the battles of 1941 were the bloodiest and most costly the Germans had ever fought, and only their preparation and momentum as well as utter lack of morality and thus their willingness to use any and all inhumane means resulted in massive casualties. This is the opposite in 1943, and '44 when the Soviets began the counter-offensives that led to Germany's fall. The Winter War was not a failure, the wikipedia stated losses are propaganda that only uses the highest loss estimates for the Soviets and lowest for the Finns. The actual results were 2:1 and the strategic battle being fought was not an invasion but the capture and hold of a small strip of land which the Soviet succeeded in. The myth of Soviet failure began with the Nazis as a demoralization tactic, picked up by the USA during the Cold War to the point that they believed their own lie.
>Zhukov kept sending thousands of Soviet soldiers to a meaningless death on German minefields.
This is the most inane and fallacious statement yet that disregards the fact that there was no way to disarm the mines when anything less than a full charge would lead to catastrophic losses. Moreover the biggest Artillery barrage in HISTORY was launched to clear out most of these minefields, machine-gun nests and bunkers in the way. War isn't a fucking movie or video-game where everything can be done perfectly. Sacrifice is the most terrible and necessary evil of any war and some kinds of strategies require high losses in order to reduce casualties in the bigger picture. This is why the Kursk defense (for example) had such high losses, they had to maintain it to the last man in order to halt the German offense and thus allow for the subsequent counter-offense to be engaged without a head-on clash.

3)
>Muh Lend-Lease
I tire of this garbage. Every time I read it I want to vomit
This post debunks that entire paragraph of schlock
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=921020

Remember comrades. If you read an article like this, NOT a single word is to be believed for any possible kernel of truth is smothered in propaganda.

 No.5200

The Night Witches (or Nachthexen as the Germans called them) were the 588th Night Bomber Regiment of the Soviet Air Force in World War II. This regiment was incredibly unique in numerous ways. First and foremost being that every member of the regiment from pilots to mechanics to commanders, were female! They were known by for their harassment bombing and precision bombing of German troops at night, causing chaos and sleeplessness as well as significant damage.

Their tactics involved flying in at low altitude, shutting off their engines, and gliding into the German encampments to drop their payloads before restarting their engines and flying away (This is why in the picture the props are not turning!). Most of the time the only warning the Germans had was the whistle of the wind against the cables on the bi-planes as they dove to drop the bombs. By that time it was far too late to avoid the falling bombs. The Po-2 Bi-plane they flew were so slow that the max speed was lower than the stalling speed of both the Messerschmitt Bf 109 and the Focke-Wulf Fw 190 (The two main German fighters) which made it very hard for the faster, less maneuverable planes to shoot them down. This lead to the Germans actually offering an Iron Cross to any pilot who managed to shoot down a Po-2.

They flew over 24,000 missions throughout World War II and dropped over 23,000 tons of bombs. They also flew without any parachutes due to the weight of the bombs making the planes too heavy to have the additional weight of the parachute. 23 of the Night Witches were awarded the title "Hero of the Soviet Union."

 No.5503

>>2907
Cringe text wall

 No.5776

>>5200
Night Witches film (1981): https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=GnZvbBYS9gQ
Pic dedicated to women pilots "46th "Taman" Guards Night Bomber Aviation Regiment". German soldiers called them "night witches".
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Witches

Beneath the starlight of the heavens
Unlikely heroes in the skies
(Witches to attack! Witches coming back!)
As they appear on the horizon
The wind will whisper when the night witches come

Undetected!
Unexpected!
Wings of glory!
Tell their story!
Aviation!
Deviation!
Undetected!
Stealth perfected!
- (Sabaton - Night Witches): https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=nUutMZ9xxo0

 No.6418

File: 1608526056358-1.jpg (578.03 KB, 768x1024, witch and I-16 race.jpg)

>>5776
>>5200
Forgot to post the actual song

 No.6422

The beauty of the Russian spirit. This is why the Nazis were defeated, why there is Russian literature, and why there was Sputnik: Professor Ilchenko of the Moscow Conservatory performing for the soldiers that have been fighting on the Southern Front. Taken somewhere in the USSR in 1942. Credit: @colourisedpieceofjake
historycolored.com

 No.7791

One of the more unknown snipers of the Red Army, his kill count is 367 (368) nazis.
- https://thesanghakommune.org/2017/02/28/semyon-nomokonov-1900-1973-evenk-soviet-sniper/
- http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/snipers/abc/n/nomokonov.htm
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjS-BqYpCwQ
- https://azarovskiy.livejournal.com/631762.html
-

Russian TV series about him: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80_2._%D0%A2%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B3%D1%83%D1%81

Он мастер снайперской науки
Фашистской нечисти гроза
Какие золотые руки
Какие острые глаза
- (Лебедев – Кумач.)

 No.7837

>>10758
context?

 No.13185

File: 1608526922004.jpg (83.01 KB, 899x443, Z_SubeWsAA__h0.jpg)

https://leftypedia.org/wiki/World_War_II
The page for World War two on leftypedia wiki is active and in need of improvements and more information and content to flesh out the vast conflict.

Lies must be debunked, crimes exposed and truths/heroics displayed for all to see and know.

 No.14362

>>6422
>The beauty of the Russian spirit. This is why the Nazis were defeated…
Hello vlasovite reactionary cuck. How much did United Russia™ pay you?porkyPorky

 No.14363


 No.17309

>>14362
>Muh Vlasovites!!!!
Fuck off, Stalin also said so that this is a victory of the Russian people and their fighting spirit and meant all Soviet peoples by this; Slavs and Kavakaztsev and Mongolo-Tatars. This is despite the fact that he is a Georgian and as the leader of the USSR he was especially grateful about the population and nations of his country, and did no good for the nationalists. Despite the fact that Stalin said that, for example, heroes were on each side of the Civil War. And the Vlasovites betrayed Russia, fighting for foreigners who openly wanted to annihilate the people, and not as a Civilian where a great honor of the people fought for their homeland and their conviction about how to save it.

 No.17512

>>5199
Don't forget the myth that the USSR used human wave tactics.
In reality the USSR relied heavily on artillery that while lacked the command and control of US artillery of the time made up for it in shear firepower. Soviet tactics also took this into account and more focused on battlefield destruction (killing/suppressing everything in a large beating zone and removing enemy cover) rather then attacking any particular target.

 No.19381

I highly recommend the World At War Eastern Front series by Star Media. It isn't the very best or most unbiased source, but it is one of the most expansive, cohesive and well researched ones. The English language dub is gone (because of youtube censorship because 'muh gommies') but the Russian version with English subtitles is easily locatable.

 No.19392

>>19381
It's also available on bilibili dubbed in Chinese.

 No.19544

Debunk of the myth of the Leningradka 45mm gun being "bad" by Diodand (rus).

Источники:
1) «Ленинградка» калибра 45 мм. Блокадная пушка в Музее артиллерии - Журнал Калашников - https://www.kalashnikov.ru/leningradka-kalibra-45-mm-blokadnaya-pushka-v-muzee-artillerii/
2) https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1105449163298589&_rdc=1&_rdr
3) Модель из видео - https://karopka.ru/community/user/21501/?MODEL=555055
4) https://smolbattle.ru/threads/5-мм-противотанковая-пушка-обр-1941-года-Ленинградка.34756/page-2

 No.19743

File: 1632278924582.jpg (60.38 KB, 456x600, Pavlichenko.jpg)

>Among the honoured guests at the meeting were Eleanor Roosevelt and Fred Myers, director of the charitable community organization Russian War Relief, which was set up in July 1941 by US Communists and liberal sympathizers, mainly drawn from the creative intelligentsia (for instance, actor Charlie Chaplin, film director Orson Welles and artist Rockwell Kent). The meeting was also to be attended by a representative of the US army, Colonel Stephen Douglas, who had come from the Fort Knox military base in the state of Kentucky, adjacent to Illinois.
>To me fell the honour of representing the Red Army. As usual, the meeting was opened by the city mayor. After a brief account of the anti-Hitler coalition and the USA’s participation in it, he yielded the floor to me. I stepped forward to the microphone. Quite a crowd had assembled before me. I could clearly discern the faces of the people in the front rows – mainly men aged between thirty and forty. They were looking at me quite affably and smiling.
>I began with a few sentences about the war now raging in far-off Russia, then paused and sharply raised my voice: ‘Gentlemen! I am twenty-five years old. At the front I have already wiped out 309 Fascist soldiers and officers. Don’t you think, gentlemen, that you have been hiding for too long behind my back?’

Based Pavlichenko

>When I first went to war, I felt only anger at the Germans for disrupting my peaceful life, for attacking us. But what I saw later engendered within me such an inextinguishable hatred that it was difficult to express it in any other terms than a bullet through a Nazi’s heart.

>In one village retaken from the enemy I saw the body of a thirteen-year-old girl. The Nazis had butchered her. That was how they demonstrated their ability to wield a bayonet – the brutes! I saw brains splattered on the wall of a house, and beside it the body of a three-year-old child. Germans had lived in that house. The child had played up and cried, preventing these beasts from getting some rest. They did not even allow the mother to bury her child. The poor woman went out of her mind . . .
>Hatred teaches you a lot. It taught me to kill enemies. I am a sniper. At Odessa and Sevastopol I annihilated 309 Fascists with my sniper’s rifle. Hatred sharpened my vision and hearing, made me wily and dexterous, hatred taught me to camouflage myself and to deceive the enemy, to anticipate his cunning and his traps. Hatred taught me to pursue enemy snipers patiently for days on end. It is impossible to quench the thirst for vengeance.
>As long as there is a single invader on our land, I will think of one thing only: killing the enemy. And I would only talk about one thing to my friends in battle and my fellow-citizens: kill the Nazi!

 No.19744

File: 1632279018277-0.png (81.52 KB, 628x488, 1630698360096.png)

File: 1632279018277-1.png (37.51 KB, 654x341, 1630698524556.png)

>>19743
>screenshot 2
People in the West take this quote out of context to imply that "De USSR was sexist too!!!" when the reality was quite different. The reason for "war is no place for a women" is based on the idea of protection, that they shouldn't be risking their lives, that's why the men are fighting, to protect them from this, as the women are more valuable than the soldier's own lives. It is a rather chivalrous attitude that was justified in many regards - a female POW ran the risk of the kind of abuse men were not privy to, rape. Moreover, regardless of their skill and determination a woman is physically by their very biology weaker than a man and so more prone to suffering from the exhaustion of war. And so the Navigator is expressing regret that she is forced to be fighting.
Part of the reason this isn't really apparent is because much of the meaning is lost in translation, as well as cultural differences.
- t.Rus-anon

 No.19761

>>19743
The Germans are not humans. From now on, the word German causes gunfire. We shall not speak. We shall kill. If during a day you have not killed a single German, you have wasted the day. If you do not kill the German, he will kill you. If it is quiet at your section of the front and you are waiting for the battle, kill a German before the battle. If you let the German live, he will kill a Russian man and rape a Russian woman. If you have killed a German, kill another one too. Kill the German, thus cries your homeland.

Do not count the days, do not count the miles. Count only the Germans you have killed. Kill the German - this is your old mother's prayer. Kill the German - this is what your children beseech you to do. Kill the German - this is the cry of all the Earth. Do not waver. Do not let up. Kill.

 No.19764

>>19761
This is the common translation of an excerpt from "Ubei" from Illya Ehrenburg
The article was written in 1942. It was the second year of the war when German troops advanced deep into the Soviet Union and reached the line Leningrad - Moscow - Stalingrad. At that time there were no any civilian Germans available to Soviet soldiers to commit any "soviet crimes" against them. At that time for Soviet soldiers the name "German (man)" only meant an armed enemy in the opposite trenches. In wartime there is nothing wrong in "inciting to kill" invaders.

This is the original text
>Мы знаем все. Мы помним все. Мы поняли: немцы не люди. Отныне слово «немец» для нас самое страшное проклятье. Отныне слово «немец» разряжает ружье. Не будем говорить. Не будем возмущаться. Будем убивать. Если ты не убил за день хотя бы одного немца, твой день пропал. Если ты думаешь, что за тебя немца убьет твой сосед, ты не понял угрозы. Если ты не убьешь немца, немец убьет тебя. Он возьмёт твоих и будет мучить их в своей окаянной Германии. Если ты не можешь убить немца пулей, убей немца штыком. Если на твоем участке затишье, если ты ждешь боя, убей немца до боя. Если ты оставишь немца жить, немец повесит русского человека и опозорит русскую женщину. Если ты убил одного немца, убей другого — нет для нас ничего веселее немецких трупов. Не считай дней. Не считай верст. Считай одно: убитых тобою немцев. Убей немца! — это просит старуха-мать. Убей немца! — это молит тебя дитя. Убей немца! — это кричит родная земля. Не промахнись. Не пропусти. Убей!

https://0gnev.livejournal.com/144733.html

 No.19794

Does anyone do ww2 miniature wargaming here?
I'm painting 15mm soviet riflemen atm, quite fun but i haven't really researched uniforms enough atm
Kind of feel like trying glantz again but I really need a good set of maps to go along with it, as an australian my sense of european geography is zilch
Also is talking about non soviet history ok here? My main interest is in the eastern front but I also like the invasion of france and the naval wars

 No.19799

>>19794
OP here, feel free to talk about non-soviet WW-2 history, just don't derail.
>as an australian my sense of european geography is zilch
Kek. I don't do this kind of thing anymore but I used to as a teen/kid

 No.20470

2 versions of "If Tomorrow Brings War"
first one is about the war coming in the future
second one is about the war already going on

 No.20476

>>19764
>Мы знаем все. Мы помним все. Мы поняли: немцы не люди. Отныне слово "немец" для нас самое страшное проклятье. Отныне слово "немец" разряжает ружье. Не будем говорить. Не будем возмущаться. Будем убивать. Если ты не убил за день хотя бы одного немца. твой день пропал. Если ты думаешь, что за тебя немца убьет твой сосед, ты не понял угрозы. Если ты не убьешь немца, немец убьет тебя. Он возьмет твоих и будет мучить их в своей окаянной Германии. Если ты не можешь убить немца пулей, убей немца штыком. Если на твоем участке затишье, если ты ждешь боя, убей немца до боя. Если ты оставишь немца жить, немец повесит русского человека и опозорит русскую женщину. Если ты убил одного немца, убей другого - нет для нас ничего веселее немецких трупов. Не считай дней. Не считай верст. Считай одно: убитых тобою немцев. Убей немца! - это просит старуха-мать. Убей немца! - это молит тебя дитя. Убей немца! - это кричит родная земля. Не промахнись. Не пропусти. Убей!
<We know everything. We remember everything. We have understood: Germans are not human beings. Henceforth the word "German" means to us the most terrible curse. From now on the word "German" will trigger your rifle. We shall not speak any more. We shall not get excited. We shall kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day. If you think that that instead of you, the man next to you will kill him, you have not understood the threat. If you do not kill the German, he will kill you. If you cannot kill your German with a bullet, kill him with your bayonet. If there is calm on your part of the front, if you are waiting for the fighting, kill a German before combat. If you leave a German alive, the German will hang a Russian and rape a Russian woman. If you kill one German, kill another - there is nothing more amusing for us than a heap of German corpses. Do not count days; do not count miles. Count only the number of Germans you have killed. Kill the German - this is your old mother's prayer. Kill the German - this is what your children beseech you to do. Kill the German - this is the cry of your Russian earth. Do not waver. Do not let up. Kill.

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 No.21264

>>5129
you have an awful lot of confidence in humans
dehumanizing enemies so they can be killed easier is standard practice for all soldiers
we are but mere toys of the world at large. Many decent people did awful things, cause they got completely desensitized to death and others sufferings during the war.

 No.21267

>>5129
>Soviet-Purges.jpg
>is a picture of an Einsatzgruppen mass execution

 No.21422

File: 1637597639515.png (85.38 KB, 1676x580, speech.png)

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1941/11/06.htm

Speech at Celebration Meeting of the Moscow Soviet of Working People's Deputies and Moscow Party and Public Organizations
November 6, 1941

 No.21443

>>14362
>>17309
2:11- 2:36
"Но тут надо такую линию провести. Мы всегда под словом 'Русский' понимали всех… всех понимали: Тут были и Украинцы, тут были Узбеки, тут были и Казаки, Рус было как б олицетворение было всех вместе вот…" - Михаил Тимофеевич Калашников, 1993


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