Post what you're wearing today, pieces you want to wear, recent cops, thrifting, inspo, concepts, runways, designers, questions, etc.
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>>37389Best most retarded comment ITT.
Keep dressing like a moron.
>>37390In the history and present of gender theory, femininity consistently demonstrates a societal predilection towards beauty, appearance, and fashion by proxy. There have never been societies wherein obsession with fashion and appearance was categorized as ostensibly masculine, yet there have been endless societies where it’s considered obviously feminine/effeminate in theory and practice.
To clarify, fashion is not “genetically” inherently feminine/effeminate, but societally inherent. And That’s not a bad thing, but a fact as of now nonetheless, so trying to purport it’s actually super alpha male to worry about what pretty cloth your wearing is dumb and likely only reflexively said out of internalized homophobia.
>>37397I had an argument with him once and he unironically thinks liberalism and capitalism are separate phenomena and that
capitalism emerged from liberalism, like we literally willed it into existence or something. People always throw the term idealism around here a lot but this is actually a great example of it. Big pseud who should only stick to dissing neocons for their clothes instead of pretending he knows a thing about political or economic theory, but he can't help but still comment on them anyway.
>>37403I think what they're getting at is that it's silly to claim fashion is "inherently" feminine or gay just because cis men say so, especially when most designers are straight men. Even looking at the history of fashion the last century the only trend you could attribute to women/gays is skinny jeans? Maybe?
>trying to purport it’s actually super alpha male to worry about what pretty cloth your wearing is dumbDoubt anyone here will disagree with your main point, but I think "positive stereotypes" are dumb too.
>>37403>yet there have been endless societies where it’s considered obviously feminine/effeminate in theory and practiceWhat? It wasn't until the French Revolution.
After the French Revolution, in France men being into fashion was seen as part of the old nobility and therefore bad. And France set fashion for the western world. So the western world adopted the idea that men should not be into fashion.
Then in the the late 19th century, anglo puritanism put the final nail in the coffin.
>>37401>23" waistdude, I hope you get the medical attention you need. that's fucking insane
>>37403>internalized homophobiathanks doc for diagnosing me with your pop psychology. let me know if you're free later, we can chat some more, maybe play some sarcasticaball
>>37407I'd give it a go
>>37409identity is also a kind of fashion, especially the kind you're trafficking in
>>37412>identity is also a kind of fashion, especially the kind you're trafficking inwut
>>37389>Fashion is inherently gay/femininewut
https://archive.org/details/onfashion00pect/page/n5/mode/2up
>Until recently, fashion was considered the "F-word" in intellectual circles, dismissed as unworthy of serious attention. Yet no area of life, no individual moment, stands outside fashion's discourses. Intuitively, we all know that clothing is a language, incessantly communicating messages about its wearer. But who speaks this language, to whom is it addressed, what does it mean, and how are its meanings established and transformed? On Fashion explores the ways our material, political, psychological, sexual, even intellectual lives are woven into fashion's fabric.>This stimulating collection of essays explores fashion's symbolic and figurative functions in photography, cinema, and video; in consumerism, postmodernism, and feminism; in political and material culture; and in self-definition and subjectivity. They demonstrate the pervasive reach of fashion and its expressions. Interesting read.
>>37427>like a bodybuilder?Proportion wise I guess?
but having a wide waist/obliques but even larger muscular shoulders is extremely different than a tiny waist and thin but broad shoulders.
>>37587Jesus, I'm jealous.
Sometimes I see people online posting their thrift finds and it's stuff like fucking Yohji for under 10 bucks.
>>37403Nothing about society is inherent you theorylet. You're arguing metaphysical positions instead of thinking dialectially about fashion. Under primitive communism and in the transition to clan society men and women equally decorated themselves. Early class societies like the Minoan exhibit this. It is only after capitalist society codifies gendered norms to enforce patriarchy that we associate
inherently (as you put it) fashion with femininity or queerness. Once we abolish capitalism also fashion loses the shackles of capitalist society and is aufgehoben to socialist fashion. It will become one of the main points of communist society, since as Marx put it
>As a result, therefore, man (the worker) only feels himself freely active in his animal functions – eating, drinking, procreating, or at most in his dwelling and in dressing-up, etc.; and in his human functions he no longer feels himself to be anything but an animal. What is animal becomes human and what is human becomes animal. >>377073 Cons
>Items in pockets are allowed to swing all over the place>Difficult to run or climb in>More likely to get caught on random things3 Pros
>Breaks up the human shape>Better for temperature regulation at higher temperatures>Easier to hide things underneath >>37689Just rip off the front pocket and you're golden.
>but it's le backwardsCool, normalize wearing t-shirts backwards.
>>37773Asos is having a black Friday sale. Not sure what to get. I'm kind of short in cash, I'll browse around and see if something catches my eye.
The issue is that I'm not quite sure what I want my styles to look like. I need a normal weekend style, a club style, an office work style, a workout clothes style. Right now I have clothes I've had for a decade, and new stuff too. It's all a mishmash.
Then there's shit I need to buy asap, like I urgently need new every day shoes. I'm thinking of buying some black Nike's, they're so fucking expensive though. I also need some gloves but I'm thinking of buying the ones at the supermarket.
>>38074i once had a fedex package stalled because of some issue and when i had to call them the person on the other end hung up when i took too long to answer a question about the shipping code or whatever because i was trying to look for it
critical support for the government doing stuff
Relatively normal but still obviously fashion oriented outfits
http://www.style-arena.jp/en/https://www.fashionsnap.com/streetstyle/These are alot more conservative compared to Tokyofashion which tends to focus on the more wild stuff coming out of Harajuku
>>37707>JNCO jeans coming backKingdom Hearts looking mofos but can’t hate.
I don’t mind baggy jeans every now and then.
>>38281They're old /fa/ meetups lmao.
>>38284They're riffs on Chuck Taylors with exaggerated details and luxe materials.
whoops sorry for deleting the original post
<i wish i could get away with wearing cute bags that resemble animals as a man :(>>38327yeah, im a coward too. attractive people can do whatever they want
>>38331this is just some idiot that got into a bunch of hair care stuff and is now complaining about it and pinning it on their hair type for some reason because they have 0 self awareness
also long straight hair is high maintenance and gets frizzy without care too
>>38544>look for wide cropped tops.Nice, I'll check them out! I have a bit of a belly, so I'm self conscious about croptops. I'll buy one anyways just to see how I look. I wore these pants today with a short polo. It looked pretty nice.
My balls are fine lol, there's plenty of space left.
Any recommendations for casual shoes with big heels? I think it would go with this look and it would make me look a bit taller but I don't want to kill myself with boots, like doc martens style boots.
>>38548Are the pictures you attached what you meant? Because if I look online its mostly wide fitted belly button length tops. I have the pic rel nice asos oversized bomberjacket that looks pretty cool with the fit.
>>38549I was mostly looking for some "sport shoes" with chunky or large soles. But you're right that some docmartens would look good with this fit.
>>38841Agreed.
Also make sure to have a suitable collection of eye-catching ties.
>>38284Leather, taller, sidezips, bigger. Same styling different proportions/materials.
It's been overplayed for years but there's a good reason it has.
>>37488The material it's made of doesn't really mean much. Not only are there many different quality tiers for each material including cotton but in this day and age 100% anything doesn't mean much for quality. Synthetic fabrics have come such a long way since the '40's and the idea that synthetic equates to inferior is dated. Rick Owens, for example, uses many synthetic blends to provide different textures and draping.
It's more important to judge a garment just by handling it. It sounds stupid but if you've handled lots of different fabrics it's pretty easy to tell the difference between high quality and low.
Then you look at the cut, seams, and stitching. Are the clothes cut in a boxy one size fits all manner or are they cut to conform to the body? Is the seam work logical? Is it anatomic or straight? Is the stitching reinforced at stress points? Are there loose threads?
It's kind of hard to explain in writing but go to a department store sometime and look at a high end designer shirt. Examine the details and look at the composition tags. Then do the same for a cheap basic shirt. Note the differences. You can read up on basic garment construction for a better idea but comparing and contrasting provides a good base level to judge quality.
>>39220terrible suggestion lmao
wool if you have the money
sportswear is synthetic for a reason too, gets rid of sweat faster
>>39211Easier to pull off if you’re not white.
Otherwise you’ve got to be Clint Eastwood
>>39243Ah, a "dandy hobo" style.
>>39237>Otherwise you’ve got to be Clint EastwoodThis, a nerd weering a poncho will just amplify their nerdiness.
>>39378This is so fucking tacky. Literally random shit thrown together. This is even dumber than paying retail for designer clothes, this is paying absurd
resell prices for stuff that you could get for $100 before this hypebeast garbage. Seeing Undercover and Duvet worn like that is painful, also.
>>39529that's pretty formal wear
blazers over t-shirts need to come back tho
>>39536sounds like a u problem tbh
>>39537if you watch any runway from the past 2 decades they never left
>>39557anything you take from a fucking old navy catalog or whatever is going to be bad lmfao
regular blazers are boring, regular t-shirts are boring, no shit combining them is boring too
>>39569i dont think youve looked at many outfits then, and why are you bringing up jeans now?
seriously youre complaining about a specific hypernormie thing and then pretending it or any variations cant be pulled off in any way whatsoever
>>39575All right, so can you show any examples of what you have in mind?
>>39584I see the appeal, it makes the suit more visually rich I guess, but I find it too much. Too layered, you have jacket on top of waistcoat on top of tie on top of shirt, and if its cold ouside and you add coat, you have officially entered JRPG character design territory.
>>39591It was just a fancy way of saying overdesigned. You start adding stuff to make it plain outfit look more interesting, and then forget to stop.
Ignore the JRPG comparison, the point was its too many layers. There is a reason suit, shirt and tie are such a popular combination, it works, looks good. Modifying it too much (waistcoat, t-shirt) can still look good and more eye catching, but I feel like its a step-down in terms of overall aesthetics.
>>39660I said I don't completely hate the look, calm down.
your japanese cartoons are safe.
>>39679>>39719>>39745In very broad strokes, there are four types of fragrances. One, which smell like woods. Two, which smell like flowers. Three, which smell like shower gels. And four, which smell like candies and chocolates. People will throw all those big words at you and that will only complicate it for you.
A fragrance has different notes and stages, too. On first spray, the smell will be a bit (or a lot) different than when it "dries down". So if you like a fragrance, spray yourself and give it a few hours to see what it smells like then.
Smell more and you'll see. Pretty much the only way to start understanding it.
>>39822if this is your idea of "loose" or "trashbag" then yeah youre insufferably mfa. anything that isnt a perfectly tailored boring suit or a flannel with red wing boots is too much for you faggots
gonna bet its the same retard who called a simple coat over a simple tailored suit "larpy"
>>39818r/MFA always looks silly because they have more money than sense. They focus on creating these perfectly manicured fits that are aesthetic but they have no style of their own. It's a mishmash of geeky guys wearing brand new workwear or autistic old-timey suits.
It's what happens when your concept of fashion comes exclusively from infographics. There's rarely any sense of personal edge, it's always some variation of a copy-pasted look they got off of the internet.
>>38042Wear an interesting jacket, or wear interesting pants/hat/jewelry or
>>38043 if you don't want to add layers.
>>39840cheap rayon disintegrates after a few washes
though this can be said about the cheap version of any material
>>39848Thanks, I already deleted the pic because I was embarrassed by it, but since someone already saw it might as well reupload. The shirt is too small and my boots look like sneakers for 6 year olds.
Anyway, I wasnt really going for sleaze, more just something colourful and cheerful I guess.
>>39851Correct, rich people wear $3000 French designer versions of American high school sports wear.
Anyone remember when every single celebrity was wearing this thing like they were all on the Nouveau riche varsity team?
>>39810If you want a
casual blazer then look for loose unstructured blazers lol.
>>39864>>39880Appreciate the feedback, but I still feel like, I dont know, something is missing? Like the outfit is too basic. I am not jewelry fan (and dont want end up dressing like an arab immigrant), so maybe something on top, a jacket or something?
>>39882My hypothesis is that the divide is between rich that do some managerial work, meaning they show in the office, meetings, conferences, so they dress like upper class professional, and those who completely outsourced all of that, not being in any way involved in actual day-today-day business operations, and dress like an unemployed NEET because thats what they effectively are.
>>40160Beginning to understand the term gooncave.
>>40167Ever heard of having friends?
>>40135So what?
It’s a clown world and you have clown feet to walk it.
Embrace your inner clown.
Hi, Damir. How are you doing?
Fine, thanks.
So how come after 3 years of doing menswear collections, you’ve decided to launch a womenswear collection?
I always wanted to do it, but it was much easier to start with men because I’m a man, and basically I design clothes for myself. Also it’s because I was assisting Dirk Schoenberger and Raf Simons before starting on my own stuff, and for me it was easier to start with something I already knew. Anyway, it was the right time to start the womenswear collection, because I don’t want to be just a menswear designer. If you want to build a fashion house, you need to cover menswear and womenswear.
Which designers are an inspiration for you?
I have always been inspired by Armani – his shapes and lines – and also by Miyake and Helmut Lang.
What was the inspiration for the collection?
It wasn’t easy at the beginning. I took some pieces from my menswear collection and reshaped them because I needed something to start from, but I’ve changed them for the next collection because I don’t want to do unisex. The shapes are more feminine now, and I’m also thinking about bringing more structure into the men’s side. At the moment my inspiration comes from my girlfriend – I’m doing the clothes for her. I normally start off by gathering images and things that trigger something in me, feelings and colors…and I stick them up on a big board, which just grows and grows. I’m a feeling designer. It is obvious that both my collections are going to have the same spirit. I am not someone who creates a concept then builds something around it, like Raf, for example. Raf has a concept and if you see him and his collection it’s like they’re two different worlds. I develop my own fabrics in Italy with Lyria for the different volumes and shapes…
You need to build up your own identity. All of the major women’s fashion houses already have one; you must have one, surely…
Yes – but it takes you years. Women’s fashion is so crowded; there are so many labels; too much shopping…
Yes, but everyone wants do design for women.
I know, because women’s fashion is where the money is. That’s where you can cover your costs, and that’s what it’s all about in this crazy business. It’s very emotional – there’s no other business where you would invest your money for such a small return. You’d just say, “Fuck it” (Laughs). In fact it is so emotional that people in the big houses will just throw all their money into a small collection, but at the end of the day they still have to cover their own costs, so that’s why you make the money with womenswear collections. That’s the long-term plan for all of us, otherwise you just can’t do fashion shows. I’d say that [sic] is almost no one, except maybe Dries Van Noten and Ann Demeulemeester, who actually make money out of their clothing, and these days even they are selling a lot of shoes and bags. Do you really think Balenciaga makes money from the clothing?
No…
I don’t think so. And in men’s fashion, that potential just isn’t there.
I think it’s also because there was a long period of time when men’s fashion was completely like… dead… and now it’s flowing again, and it’s really good because there used to be nothing…
Yes, it is interesting. I also think that the atmosphere during men’s fashion week is better than during women’s. It is lighter, easier, but in a positive way. Everyone is cool, everyone’s open to things; there’s a lot of communication… Things are much more open during men’s week. During women’s week it’s like everybody’s in a hurry.
>>40449And you can spend the money on a perfume line, on a shoe line…
That’s what holds the whole business together. Also, the magazines need advertisers, and all of that kind of thing comes from the bags and perfumes, which is absolutely ridiculous while we’re all making this huge effort. That’s what I’m saying: it’s all about emotions. We really go to a lot of trouble…
You had your own perfume, didn’t you?
Yes, but it was only a project. I don’t even have it myself anymore, because it sold out in a month.
Really?
They only did a limited edition – two or three thousand bottles – and didn’t bring it out it [sic] again. It’s very sad because we spent all that money, and developing a perfume is extremely expensive, and then they don’t use it again. Because they do a new group of designers each year.
Are you thinking about doing a new one?
I would love to. I think creating a perfume is such a great experience, not just for designers but for all human beings. I was working with a perfumer from New York, and I kind of wrote a story for him, and he made the scent from my story. So it’s really a lot fo fun; it’s just great that you can create your own perfume. But it’s complicated for a label; you have to be very big to do perfume. There are also other examples, like Victor & Rolf; I don’t think they make any money from their collection, they just have to do the collection to sell the perfume.
Comme des Garçons is the best example of that.
But Comme des Garçons is my business role model. If I’m thinking about the business and how we should do things, I always look at Comme des Garçons, because to me they are the only ones who manage to maintain a really, really strong image – actually the strongest in the whole market – and do so much cheesy stuff and it doesn’t hurt their image. I have friends in Germany who have nothing to do with fashion, and they’ve got a Comme des Garçons wallet, and if you ask them what Comme des Garçons is, they don’ t know! (Laughs) They’ve never heard of it, and they do not know who Rei Kawakubo is, which is fantastic. What they did in the perfume business is just amazing, because the scents are the best; they do the best perfumes in really cool packaging and the price is OK, too. I think they now have about 50 different scents, and five years ago they only had a couple. And they do it in such a clever way, because they do not invest all the money in special flacons.
Yes, it is really cool.
Yes, it is cool.
What do you think about Zara, H&M etc.?
I think that what they are doing is good. Of course they copy, but I wouldn’t be angry if I saw a copied piece hanging there, because that means that someone who can’t afford my clothing or stuff from other high-end designers can buy something similar there, and that also teaches the general public how to dress. I also launched a second line called Silent, which is reasonably priced because I don’t have to develop fabrics especially for that collection.
I RECENTLY SAW A MOVIE FROM THE '80S THAT I’D BEEN IN AS AN EXTRA IN A GOTH NIGHTCLUB SCENE. I HAD JUST MOVED TO L.A. FROM A SMALL SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TOWN AND WAS STARTING TO BLOSSOM INTO THE EARLY STAGES OF GOTHDOM. I WINCED AT MY NAIVE AND VULNERABLE FACE TRYING TO LOOK HARD AND WORLD-WEARY.
GOTH WAS GONNA BE MY ANSWER. IT WAS GOING TO CONFRONT EVERYONE AND DECLARE ME. I WAS GOING TO DIVE INTO A WORLD OF SIN AND EXOTICISM THAT I’D READ ABOUT IN HUYSMANS “AU REBOURS” AND “LA BAS” IN MY PARENTS' LIBRARY AT HOME. I WOULD LAY A BLACK GLITTERING TURD ON THE WHITE LANDSCAPE OF CONFORMITY.
I DROVE A BLACK T-TOP CAMARO. THE STEREO BLASTED SISTERS OF MERCY, MARLENE DIETRICH AND WAGNER. I WORE MY GLOVES AND JEWELRY TO BED IN FULL MAKEUP. I LIVED ON BLACK BEAUTIES AND CIGARETTES. I LIVED IN A FRIEND'S STUDIO BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS THAT WAS ACCESSED BY A FIRE ESCAPE TO THE ROOF. PERFECT FOR CAPES.
AS THE YEARS WENT BY, THE INSECURITY AND ANGST STARTED GIVING WAY TO SOMETHING MORE DIONYSIAN AND SELF-DESTRUCTIVE UNTIL FINALLY, AFTER ALL THE DARKNESS, I REACHED A CLEAR-EYED GYM-QUEEN CALM.
LATER, THE MAIN REASON I TOOK A JOB AS ARTISTIC DIRECTOR WITH THE REVILLON FUR MAISON IN PARIS WAS ITS DIRECT LINEAGE TO GLAMOROUS, DECADENT, FIN-DE-SIECLE PARIS, MY NE PLUS ULTRA OF HIGH ARTIFICE. IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1763. SARAH BERNHARDT PROBABLY WORE A REVILLON FUR WITH THE TAXIDERMIED BAT SHE WORE IN HER HAIR.
I WAS STILL ATTRACTED TO THE SAME AESTHETIC, BUT IT NOW HAD A LAYER OF AFFECTION. ALL THOSE YEARS OF DOOMED IDEALISM SEEN IN THE DAYLIGHT OF ADULTHOOD SEEMED RATHER SWEET. AND POIGNANT. EVERYTHING BLACK I EVER WORE AGAIN OR PUT ON A RUNWAY WOULD BE WITH A LOVING WINK.
AND I FINALLY SEE THE LINES OF DISSAPATION IN MY FACE THAT I SO DESPERATELY WANTED IN MY YOUTH.
https://www.rickowens.eu/en/interviews/whitewall-magazine-fall-2010>>40566Unfortunately high rise pants have not been popular with men for over half a century.
I have a few pairs from a japanese designer brand but designer brands might be iffy since a lot of their stock is seasonal.
There is low demand and low supply for this style of pant. Repros of trousers pre WWII fill the niche but often some details are wrong. Scavini and Kit Blake are european brands that offer RTW high rise trousers but I think they are online only. You can also get a tailor to make them for you, or look for a MTM brand that offers a high rise customization for their trousers.
I have no idea how you're going to try one on before you buy, unless your city is big enough to have a number of designer boutiques that happen to carry what you're looking for this season. Or maybe Uniqlo U if you're lucky.
The truth is personal grooming is the key to looking good. It's why everyone laughs at stuff like
>>38252. Style is just class signaling, consider:
>Preppynatty booj
>High Fashionpetit booj
>StreetwearLumpen
>>40918aesthetic class signifiers dont exist anymore like they did in ye olden days
rich kids will LARP as anything, and even bits of preppy/ivy style have been appropriated into mainstream casual fashion
>>40918Trying to fit an outift into whatever terrible buzzwords people made up is a pointless pursuit.
One thing I love about fashion in general, is how it is fluid, there are no boundaries, no limits, no boxes to tick off. Only inspiration and cloth. I understand that the STEM types that venture on the internet are used to that kind of engineered approach to something like fashion. The gossamer of fashion is not something you can put in a neat little box and attach a label to.
Knowing how to dress conservatively and knowing how clothes should fit (something that should be a basic human skill and that your parents should have thought you when you were still a kid) =/= fashion
>>40992>>40995All of the characters had many outfits that were ahead of their time but George was the all-around best indeed.
Even while being fat he still looks better than those gentleman's gazette geeds.
>>41007money is a factor like always but thrifting and second-hand clothing are a thing. almost nobody pays retail
kinda boring to have discussion with someone who doesnt appreciate clothes #9999999 tbh
>>41178The "terrorwave" guys are gonna love this one.
>>40940Yea, learning how to dress well is more like learning a language than solving a science problem.
>>41179hamas fighter in 2008
>>41180Yeah idk, maybe he didn't want to get his shoes dirty when he went to step on an IOF soldier
>>41187Look up nehru jacket. There are tons out there.
>>41188What is the difference between a mandarin collar and a nehru jacket?
>>41196i'd say it's traditional south asian/persian fashion with some construction elements absorbed from the british (buttons, pockets, etc)
westerners didnt invent the general concept of coats/jackets lol
>>41294>leather jacket over a generic shitty polowtf?
also old people ought to stop wearing slim/skinny pants
>>41319yeah it was in australia
>>41348Oooh black on black.
Very daring
>>41371I personally hate camo coming back.
John Cena’s theme reverberates in my mind every time I
don’t see it.
YOULL NEVER SEE ME AROUND TOWN, WITHOUT FIRST SEEING MY EXTRA EXTRA EXTRA LARGE BLUE SUIT COAT AND MATCHING PANTS WITH ME
TAILORED USING THE FINEST THREADED PSEUDO FABRIC, MY SUIT IS BUILT TO LAST AND LOOK GOOD WHILE DOING IT
JUST LOOK HOW WITH ONE SQUAT, MY PANTS AREN'T SMASHED TO BITS
EVEN RAISING MY ARMS FOR JUMPING JACKS DOESN'T HURT MY SUIT
ANCIENT TAILORS KNEW THAT PROPER OUTFITS REQUIRED PROPER CRAFTSMANSHIP, AND MY COLD STEEL XXXL DARK BLUE ENSEMBLES TAKEN THAT PHILOSOPHY TO HEART
WATCH WITH ONE BEND, MY SHOELACES GET TIED TO BITS, EFFORTLESSLY
EVEN WITH A CONTRASTING TIE, MY SUIT LOOKS THE BEST, BECAUSE IT IS THE BEST
YOU'LL NEVER BE CEO, WITHOUT YOUR COLD STEEL SUIT COAT AND MATCHING PANTS WITH YOU
OR MY NAME ISN'T LYNN C. THOMPSON
THE SMARTEST, SHARPEST SUITS
>>42016Men in croptops is like women with short skirts. Very hot.
>>41861I'll take it.
>>41930thicc frames have always been seen as dorky i think
wire frames have the benefit of metal=shiny and being more understated i think
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