Anonymous 2021-10-06 (Wed) 12:07:35 No. 20234
>>20232 You're quite welcome, as much of a noob as I am in practical swordsmanship (beginner level), I enjoy reading and learning about this content. Hence the /edu/ type content of this thread.
Anonymous 2021-10-06 (Wed) 14:15:48 No. 20236
>>20231 >dick armour codpieces were just a fashion trend transposed on armour,and it lasted two century at best,but it's a fun historical trivia.
Jockstraps on the other hand actually exist today and there are both males and females models but they're quite modern in comparison.
Anonymous 2021-10-06 (Wed) 14:59:06 No. 20238
>>20227 They've got a really cool kinda aesthetic.
Would roll up with the lads wearing this to he revolution.
Anonymous 2021-10-08 (Fri) 02:24:00 No. 20273
>>20237 Nah it'd be a stabbing using a comedic weapon and then the "who's laughing now"
>>20238 Looks cool but it's heavy as fuck, and not much against modern high calibre handguns.
>>20236 Yep, protecting your schlong is important XD
Anonymous 2021-10-08 (Fri) 02:27:26 No. 20274
>>20239 >Kastenbrust armour is the one Joan A custom set
>ceremonial, parade, or gladiatorial/dueling armor is armor, also nice ignoring the entire rest of the post
reddit spacer Besides I only listed East Asian and West Europe. I didn't include East-Europe and Central Asia; Mongolian female warriors wore the leather armor that men used (clothing there is pretty unisex). And Bogatirshas / female slav "valkyries" used mostly chainmail armor that didn't compress the breasts, sometimes additionally armored with… yes boob plates. Unfortunately little remains of this.
https://archive.ph/w6Jyk Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 20:54:10 No. 20276
>>20275 /pol/ is truly amazing sometimes
Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 21:02:50 No. 20277
>1. The helmet is ALL WRONG as I've explained a MILLION TIMES. Mohawks were Greek, sideways were Roman centurians >2. The lorica segmentata definitely doesnt fit, meaning the weight distribution is all wrong. He's gonna be really tired after a knight of patroling the local bodega. >3. The gladius is on the wrong side. Soldiers wore it on the left, because they help their scutum on the right. Difficult to draw a gladius while its blocked by a massive shield. However, it would be correct if he is larping as a centurian. >4. The gladius also looks like the grip is too short. The ideal grip is to hold it like a hammer, and your hand fit snugly between the hilt and the pommel. If tailored correctly, your chops/swings will be so much more powerful. >5. The blue cape isnt bad, blue was a rare dye back in the day. If he is indeed larping as a centurian, the color matches, as centurians were generally aristocrats from rich families. >6. Romans didnt call it the SPQR or had any flag. Whats up with the scorpion, is he saying he has aids or something?
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-10-05 (Tue) 21:02:59 No. 20278
Imagine how humiliating it would be to get your ass kicked dressed like that
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-10-05 (Tue) 21:04:59 No. 20279
>>20277 Is there any practical reason for the head brush or is it purely aesthetic?
Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 21:07:44 No. 20281
>>20279 wasn't the lorica sqaumata more common during Most of the empire ?
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-10-05 (Tue) 21:08:22 No. 20282
>>20281 I have absolutely no idea I’m asking the Caesarboo anon
Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 21:16:59 No. 20283
>>20279 Centurians used a sideways plumage. This js because they were always in the front line. He entire squad needed to know where he was at all times. However, the plumage often worked against them, signaling to enemies who the biggest target was.
The Greeks probably wore them the way they did as a form of intimidation, and perhaps a way to signal that they were infact Greek.
Obviously the Romans took the style and look from the Greeks.
Eventually, the Romans stopped wearing them into battle, because of how annoying they were. They began only wearing them for triumphs and parades and religous occasions.
>>20281 Yeah, the early empire used them a lot, when it was prosperous. The later empire did away with it in favor of chainmail and cataphracts
Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 21:23:26 No. 20285
>>20284 Do you think a line of riot cops could stand their ground against a Scythian cavalry charge and subsequent retreating arrow shots?
Probably not.
Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 21:34:07 No. 20287
>>20285 they can't but training/feeding horses at this time and age is very costy, so just find a bike with really good performance,grab a pole and just charge them or somthing.
Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 21:40:04 No. 20288
>>20277 You have the sword and shield thing backwards. They carried their shields on the left and wore their scabbards on the right (in contrast to typical expectation for swords) to draw more easily while in formation.
Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 21:44:05 No. 20289
>>20287 That wont work. The point of shock calvalry is to but as much weight behind the charge.
You can see them walk up slowly, conserving energy, stopping just out of missile range.
Then they all start galloping as close together as they can. You see them get closer and closer. You hear the far off rumble.
They arent even halfway to you, and the ground is shaking. Your armor is rattling, your comrade to either side lower their pikes, and you remember to do the same. You realize the pike is fucking heavy, your arms start trembling.
They're almost there, its louder than anything you've ever heard. They spread out, and you see hundreds of other horses that were hiding behind the closely packed front line. They lower their spears.
Your comrade breaks, and flees.
They're almost there. Your head is ringing from the hundreds of 1 ton beasts trampling the ground. You look behind you, and all your comrades are gone
you couldn't hear the order to retreat, the battle was already lost, and now you are dead
If you watch the movie "Napoleon" (which was made with the help of the red army BTW), even well trained and disciplined soldiers couldnt stop themselves from breaking during a fake and entirely safe scenario. The power of a cavalry charge would give people PTSD back then.
tl;dr lorica segmentata isnt bullet proof lol Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 21:48:58 No. 20290
>>20288 Yeah you're right.
He's doing 1 thing right at least
Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 22:09:23 No. 20291
>>20284 >the egyptians(it will even go perfectly with BLM) Bruh, not this shit again…
Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 22:11:38 No. 20292
>>20291 you can't escape the culture war anon, no matter how much time passes,idpol comes back again to bite you in the ass.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-10-05 (Tue) 22:33:55 No. 20293
>>20285 tfw you will never shoot riot cops from horse back with your compound recurve bow….
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-10-05 (Tue) 22:41:18 No. 20294
>>20289 always thought nobody really thinks hard enough about how much of an advantage certain old timey weapons gave you.
If you are some peasant with basic weapons, a fully armoured knight was more or less invincible unless you can knock them over or hit a weak spot, but in terms of penetrating their armour with your shit sword, spear, whatever, doubtful. Also the weapon they have is probably a much better quality than yours.
imagine trying to cut through thick steal with another piece of steel, you get one swing and then then chop you to pieces because you only have some half ass leather thing. Plus, these guys have been trained since birth, and eat a much, much better diet than you. Its really no contest. Now put that on a horse and x by 100, you're fucked. Fleeing is the logical thing to do. There is basically no way you can win, you are a place marker so slow the charge down while they get shot with arrows.
Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 22:49:32 No. 20295
>>20294 Pretty much.
Full plate armor wasnt even that heavy, given it was properly fitted.
Your only hope against a fully armored knight was to use some sort of blunt weapon, or slip your sword into a gap in the helmet or armpit.
Some armors were even rated for bullet proofing against primitive guns. If you see a round dent in a helmet or piece of armor in a meuseum, it might be from the test.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2021-10-05 (Tue) 23:03:36 No. 20297
>>20295 when you say not that heavy how heavy are we talking? In kilograms if possible
Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 23:11:54 No. 20298
>>20295 After you guys are done mods should merge this into the HEMA thread on
>>>/hobby/3859 Anonymous 2021-10-05 (Tue) 23:17:16 No. 20299
>>20297 It varies wildly.
English armors were different from German armors were different from Czech armor, etc.
What I can say, is the "heaviest" part of the armor is actually the chainmail by far.
>A short-sleeved shirt of chainmail typically weighs around 7 kg. A long-sleeved shirt reaching to the mid-tights or further is called a hauberk. Hauberks like that can weigh 10 kg. A hauberk with coif attached weighs 1.5 kg more whereas a separate coif brings about 2.5 kg to scale. An additional pair of mail mittens or gloves weighs 1 kg. The legs can be protected by a pair of chausses which adds another 4 kg. To cover the whole body this adds up to about 18 kg. If the plate is fitted properly, the weight will distributed evenly across below the waist, and mostly on the hips for above the waist.
There are many different configurations and layering that different European nations used throughout a span of over 1000 years, so it's kind of hard to generalize.
>>20298 I cant believe I missed the hema thread wtf
Anonymous 2021-10-08 (Fri) 19:10:05 No. 20300
>>20299 >I missed the hema thread wtf the board is slow, it's not a common topic
Anonymous 2021-10-08 (Fri) 23:10:51 No. 20316
>>20295 Another important part that is hardly ever covered in Hollywood is the grappling. If you get their ass on the ground, now they're a sitting duck, and the fight is pretty much over.
The only problem with the video is that they didn't mentioning
ending the enemy rightly with the pommel. Anonymous 2021-10-09 (Sat) 12:54:45 No. 20333
>>20296 I used to want to be a choreographer
But then I had a motorbike smash my knee :(
Anonymous 2021-10-10 (Sun) 15:46:35 No. 20341
>>20333 Kek, nice reference
>>20296 Reminds me a bit of Predator Dark Ages
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 18:51:07 No. 20451
>>20448 Kek literally an ancient Touch Grass meme
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 18:52:10 No. 20452
>>20333 checked
>>20321 This sounds exactly like the kind of pun a Jester'd use before killing someone.
Anonymous 2021-11-01 (Mon) 05:42:50 No. 20964
>>20962 Maybe I'm stupid but wouldn't the shields from Dune just result in people using more blunt force? At least in the movie version the shield might stop the attack from connecting to your body, but we see the force still transfers with kicks and so on, so if you bop someone around with a maul or trip them with a staff it should still work, right? Maybe the dominant strat would be to wield a spear so you get reach and leverage to knock or trip someone to the ground and then maneuver the spearhead under the shield once they're off their feet. Shad thinks they'd use shorter blades for up close, but you can still keep someone at a distance with a spear. Maybe there would be some tension between the two methods, IDK.
He also makes the point at the beginning that if you just stop the blade at the barrier, then the speed is 0 and it doesn't take a lot of effort to move the blade slowly through the shield. It makes the shields seem kind of self-defeating if they don't at least make the blades bounce off, since the shield blocking the blade does the work for you of decelerating the swing, so you could just swing normally for the most part. I think it's just one of those things that has more of a thematic purpose and is difficult to really explain or portray in a way that makes sense.
Anonymous 2021-11-19 (Fri) 20:29:54 No. 21339
>>3859 Goblin Slayer is pretty interesting in its discussion of armor and arms in (essentially) spelunking of deep tight caverns.
Anonymous 2021-11-20 (Sat) 08:58:23 No. 21355
>>20962 >>20964 >>21008 I think the Dune shields have a fatal vulnerability.
If you put an explosive on a stick with a trigger in the tip, the shield would let the explosive pass through (if the stick is gingerly wielded) and then contain the fast moving blastwave within the shield, turning the shield wearer into instant mush.
POP stick There are variations of this method: A blowtorch/flamethrower on a stick( heat is fast moving particles and therefore the shield should also be a near perfect insulator, which should make for some crispy results). A compressed air hose on a stick or overpowered tazer on a stick would work as well. A spray of supercooled ethanol-dry-ice slurry would freeze the guy in the shield.
To make this into a ranged weapon you mount the stick on some kind of remote controlled vehicle or flying thing.
The dune universe also has artificial gravity generators, and like in any other scifi series this gets overlooked. If you switch it on and off with alternating polarity a few times per second, nobody will be able to fight because they are to busy smacking against the floor and sealing.
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