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I've been thinking about whether 'ripping off' or taking inspiration from something can turn into its own distinct thing. I recently read Rikki-oh, which is very blatantly ripping off Fist of the North Star. The protagonist is a strong, mostly silent badass who uses ancient Chinese martial arts that gives him essentially superpowers, he has a special scar on his torso from a wound and his initial goal is to save his girlfriend. However, after reading both both Rikki-Oh and Fist of the North Star, Rikki-oh very quickly becomes its own thing. yes it took a lot, but it actually has a more concise story, in my opinion, the world is different and its gore became more creative.
Warhammer 40k is another larger example that very blatantly took inspiration from Dune (God Emperor, technological stagnation after the AI robot uprising, space feudalism and massive cultural deviation between people's), Foundation (psykers), Judge Dredd (hive cities and Arbites), and with a hint of Michael Moorcock (Chaos gods). However, after decades of what may have been copy-pasting all these element formed to become their own thing and are now distinct from their original inspirations. Take the Necrons for example; they were originally space terminators, but as their lore expanded (taking inspiration from the fantasy counterpart, the Tomb Kings), they became a tragically sort of species. born as essentially cancer-ridden humanoids with a strict social system who sought escape and were tricked by a wicked entity's to lose their flesh and personhood, with the Imperium, it's God Emeopeor relgion is more similar to the ancient Aztecs rather then anything Dune and the Eldar, went from genetic Elves in space to what were essentially a tall cat-like humanoid bioweapons that ruled the galaxy for 60 million years and fell into such extreme decadence and degeneracy that they essentially created a god of decadence and degeneracy that ultimately destroyed them all. Now, they exist as galactic nomad ninjas. There's a good chance that many of the writers for Warhammer 40k lore have not actually read any of the original material 40k took inspiration from, they perceive it as its own distinct product.

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If you are simply paying homage, you are "borrowing" something so you can use it in the thing you're making. If you change it enough to make it your own, you are "stealing" it instead.

>>44932
I think in this context it means wanting to "redo" something.

I think once there's enough other works "ripping off" the idea it becomes a genre or commonly paired bundle of tropes. Because if you have a bunch of people replicate an idea with any change whatsoever, while being at all distinct from other attempts, that ideas dropped and affixed will accumulate.

I have some scraps of ideas for a story that would probably come off as a ripoff of Arknights and Animal Crossing, but just letting these ideas simulate for long enough they'll outgrow that.

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>>44931
When it's "good" enough that the target audience subjectively see it as such. The easiest way is to exploit ignorance of source material like generational differences, after all how many people read Dune before watching Star Wars or listened to Muddy Waters before the Beatles? Unless something is out right copy-and-pasted people are much more forgiving of "new" things borrowing from old things. Take youtube poop or abridged dubs for example, the restructuring of blatant source materials into a unique, subversive narrative is its' exact appeal; it's a medium of entertainment that relies on previous context yet thrives on a new perspective beyond, and in some cases contrary, the original artist's intent.


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