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 No.4652

So many fabulous and easily maintained buildings have been demolished because of short-sightedness. We shouldn't be vandals of architecture. We should preserve the Penn stations and the Russian cathedrals of the world, and not just demolish our monuments.

We should rebuild some of them as well. People don't just have utilitarian needs and need a "spiritual" or imaginative side which is opposed to efficiency but which startles you.
https://youtu.be/09gsVlroH3A

 No.4653

>>4652
>we need to preserve aristocratic and bourgeois architecture forever rather than creating new proletarian designs
How about no?

 No.4673

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>>4653
Leave me out of your purely utilitarian brutalist hellscape.

 No.4681

>>4673
An obsession with the ruins of antiquity is precisely what modernist architects (many of whom were socialist, if not influenced by them) sought to reject. They looked at the neoclassical styles that preceded them and saw nothing but gaudy, decadent reflections of bourgeois life. Indeed, any so-called "spiritual" qualities that emerge from them (even through their preservation) came only as a farce. Your "monuments" represent a copy a of a copy.
>>4673
I'll gladly take a "utilitarian brutalist hellscape" over tall glass skyscrapers and little boxes made of ticky tacky.

 No.4700

>>4681
Thesis: classical buildings.
Antithesis: brutalism.
Synthesis: ?????

 No.4701

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>>4700
A classic kind of brutality.

 No.4711

>>4700
Solarpunk.

Look into your heart, you know it to be true.

But seriously, I agree that historic buildings should be protected but we shouldn't try to rebuild ones that were already razed, that's just revanchism, build bold and inspiring new buildings that will be considered 'historic' in the future instead.

 No.4739

>>4700
Favelas

 No.4843

>>4652
old buildings are inefficient uses of space because they are so short

 No.4844

Fuck neoclassical architecture and fuck brutalism.
One is like a fascoid larper trying to imitate le great rome and the other is like an insufferable hipster who walks on toeshoes just because "reject the system man".

Build good looking modern shit, preferably using by incorporating elements from your cultural background architecture.

 No.4858

>>4844
We should unironically try to find new ways to integrate greenery into architecture and to make the human habitat more like a fucking habitat.

 No.4895

>>4858
what are you, a filthy barbarian

 No.4897

>>4652
they lasted because the concrete was crazy hard and dry, which requires too much labor time today, it can be done with plastifiers tho

 No.4900

>>4897
>requires too much labor time today
Bullshit, modern technology makes doing this a cinch in comparison. It's just not profitable since construction makes its bread and mutter on the need to repair and replace older architechture.

 No.5146

>>4652
>Buildings should last
LSC makes this impossible for now.

 No.5250

Or we could go the full primitive route and build with bamboo and concrete. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6uGgfJGxo0

 No.5251

>>5250
Oh I've seen this dude, the videos of silence and rain and work… good stuff

 No.6392

Why is modern architecture so shit? It has so little aesthetic and even less purpose.

 No.6504

This seems a fitting thread for monument discussion as well.

This statue is actually highly controversial in Senegal where it stands.
It is by some seen as a symbol of the failures of the president at the time, and by some seen as the exact opposite of an African renaissance.

Amongst some of the criticism it has received is the cost of the project, nearly 27 million dollars (about 1% of the national budget). The opposition called it an "economic monster and a financial scandal in the context of the current [economic] crisis".

It has also received harsh criticism for its style with art critics calling it Stalinist and pointing out the cartoonish shape and its supposed idolizing of the macho sexism that has accompanied many African authoritarian regimes. Given that it was built by the North Korean Mansudae company as a piece of socialist realism, this only gives such anti-communists/liberals more weight. Internationally the statue has also been criticized for the fact that it’s not really Senegalese in its origin. Having been made by a Romanian architect and built on contract by a North Korean company using North Korean workers (because fuck internationalism, right?). One can only point out that Senegal lacks the workforce currently capable of actually building such a statue themselves.

Locally the projects criticism has been centred on two points. The first is that the internationally recognized Senegalese sculpturer Ousmane Sow was not chosen to design it. The second point of criticism focuses on president Abdoulaye Wade who demands 35% of the revenue made from the statue after making claims for the intellectual property rights of the statue since he was in office when it was built. He also had to make an official apology for comparing the statue to Jesus Christ.

Despite these criticisms, (valid and invalid) it is still a well made work and certainly something to look up to, as an example of an ideal to strive for, even if the current government does not uphold them properly.

PS, in regards to the image, a correction
Apparently this statue is 160 feet tall. The Statue of Liberty is 305 feet tall, 46 meters of which is the actual statue (151 ft 1 inch). The Eiffel Tower is 986 feet tall.

 No.6508

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>>6504
>11999
Holy shit I got epic trips

 No.6513

>>4673
Looks pretty good to me.
I always like to go to the capital of my country and marvel at the brutality of the buildings compared to the basic archtecture, as with some ancient palace.

 No.6517

>>6504
So is Senegal an "M-L" country in the same sense that Mozambique and Angola are? (i.e. totally revisionist and authoritarian Capitalists like most African countries anyway)
Being that they're actually willing to do token things like work with Based Koreans.

Anyway, I think the statue is a fine piece of socialist realism, but you shouldn't be building pretty statues when your country suffers from severe underdevelopment and wealth inequality.
Out of 189 indexed countries, Senegal ranks 166 for human development thus putting it in the lowest tier.
IMF colonial horseshit of course keeps them down in many ways, but leadership that builds a nice fucking statue (that I'm sure won't be maintained) over literally anything else is shooting yourself in the foot.

 No.6520

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>>4900
exactly it's not so much that modern architecture or modern construction is shit its more like porky wants to extract as much value as possible with yogurt carton luxury condos and office buildings, that and a lot of rich people just have shitty taste.

>>6504
Despite being very click-bait brutalism the spomenik monuments to commemorate victims of fascism are legit siq. They were mostly locally commissioned from living yugoslavian/baltic artists and I think did a good job in reimagining what a "war monument" looks like but still being relatable and striking.

So many classical/ western culture concern-trolls forget that there are a lot of "classic" structures/ architecture that are just nostalgic fakes - confederate statues, neo-classical architecture, entire "medieval" towns built for the Worlds Fair etc

 No.6522

>>6520
>"medieval" towns built for the Worlds Fair
Got some links to that, sounds interesting!

 No.6543

>>6517
>So is Senegal an "M-L" country in the same sense that Mozambique and Angola are?
No, but the DPRK has good relations with many African countries whether or not those countries are ML since they supported anti-colonialist struggles across Africa. Also Angola and Mozambique are officially socdem since the 90s.

 No.6549

>>6543
Africa has gotten pretty revisionist or even reactionary since the USSR fell, sadly


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