Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:46:18 No. 5800
>>5793 the real question is would you talk with your sentient cat and try to turn him into a comrade?
cute!!
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:46:19 No. 5807
>>5793 >Do you think cats can pass the mirror test? Some, but not all. Also, it's likely an acquired skill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xp7n-okY68 Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:46:23 No. 5849
cats probably identify more by smell than sight. they would likely pass a smell mirror test.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:46:24 No. 5857
>>5807 I think videos like this show the mirror test is over-rated; the problem with measuring intelligence is that it's hard to not be anthropocentric and end up measuring human-like behavior. It's also a problem I have with the Turing Test, there are REALLY stupid AI's (like cleverbot) that can fool joe-schmoe yet can't solve any actual problems, meanwhile animals that are considered "dumb" (like ants) can solve surprisingly complex problems with the proper stimulation.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:46:25 No. 5864
>>5793 >but aren't interested in mirrors I have seen cats hissing at their own mirror image when it's a large enough mirror that reaches down to the ground. Also it might be that if the cat recognizes it's self in the mirror that it looses interest.
If you show them video that was recorded low to the ground, from a similar point of view they would have, they get really into watching screens.
You can do that, you just have to make switches that grab their attention, you know that switches we designed look tempting for humans and invite us to touch them… You have to do design with cat cognitive ergonomics in mind, cats like pull on strings with fluffy things attached to it, they also like to shove tiny objects with their paws, so a long sideways mounted paddle-switch with a ball on the end, near to the ground, would probably also work.
Puppy Gang 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:46:26 No. 5880
this thread is shit
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:46:28 No. 5889
>>5793 Peter Gabriel (yes, that one) has spent the last decade trying to fund an "Interspecies Internet" through which humans and bonobos can communicate.
https://petergabriel.com/news/the-interspecies-internet/ Brian Pern isn't a mockumentary, it's a documentary.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:47:27 No. 6357
I'd just like to add onto
>>5857 and
>>5864 , other than the mirror test being anthropocentric to the point of being bullshit it really does depend on the cat. I've got two cats who completely understand what a mirror is but they're not interested. These two had issues with screens and speakers at first, but they figured that out quick and will watch action movies and nature shows, and figured out how to open a sliding door (but they were too weak for the lever) as well as a round knobbed door within a week of encountering them at a few months old, plus a bunch of other shit they have no business understanding. They even understand a surprising amount of English compared to other cats. I think most cats are only inquisitive about cat stuff, while others like these two are more curious about the world.
To be fair these two are Siamese which are different.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:47:29 No. 6378
>>5793 Do you think we should have an /an/ board?
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:42 No. 10232
>>10230 Cats are social parasites, Dogs are proletarians
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:43 No. 10240
>>10232 Dogs are willful slaves;
cats destitute labor.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:43 No. 10241
>>10232 >dogs <proletariat
They willingly submit themselves to their bosses for only starvation wage of food enough to reproduce themselves. They’re literally biologically classcucked, the worst nightmare for actual working class and porky’s dream materialized.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:43 No. 10242
>>5793 Who gives a fuck about the mirror test, my cat knows exactly how to manipulate me. That's enough of a proof for me that cats are evil and cunning. Dogs on the other hand are just dumb, but I do enjoy it when they bark at my neighbors.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:43 No. 10244
>>6357 All of my three cats figured out how to open a one-way hatch from the wrong side. Cats are not a joke.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:43 No. 10248
>>10244 >>10244 >Cats are not a joke p-planet of the puss when??
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:44 No. 10251
>>10248 What would happen if we use technology to uplift a quadruped like a cat? Would it immediately devolved back into the previous less energy intensive mindset and lose sentience when they don’t have the manipulating limbs and complex communication?
The same can be said for a dolphin with their lacking of tool use.
>>10249 Reminds me of that one episode of Love Death and Robots where psychic cats with opposable thumbs wiped out humanity.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:44 No. 10253
I love cats.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:44 No. 10257
>>10251 >Would it immediately devolved back into the previous less energy intensive mindset and lose sentience Thanks for reminding me of Flowers for Algernon dammit.
>psychic cats with opposable thumbs wiped out humanity. Feline Posadism when?
>>10253 People don't like strays much apparently so good work. It keeps them from hunting rabbits and the like. My neighbors didn't feed their cat enough and it would literally hunt and disembowel adult Cottontails.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:45 No. 10258
>>10251 It would depend on whether or not increased intelligence gave the cats access to a higher amount of calories or some eqluivalent to make it worth it. Domesticated cats don't really want for any biological needs so higher intelligence would probably not help them very much (they have us for that after all). It might end up factoring into sexual selection, which is hypothesized to have played a role in the evolution of human intelligence in the first place. That's a really chaotic and arbitrary thing though, and to keep it going you'd just as much need cats to be aroused by displays of intelligence. That may actually be easier to engineer than intelligence itself though.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:45 No. 10261
>>10257 No rabbits here and feeding the cats regularly prevents them from raiding garbage cans and making a mess. They still kill mices though, I once found some huge dead mouse and the funniest thing is that they didn't even eat it, they just left it for everyone to see. I wish I could do more, mostly for the kittens, but eh.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:45 No. 10263
>>10253 Strays can be complete assholes sometimes but they’re always cute. I often try to help them when they abandons their own young. Kinda annoying because the kittens are usually really weak and their survival chance is not high at all. I’ve been thinking of buying a heater to save more.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:46 No. 10267
>>10263 >Strays can be complete assholes sometimes but they’re always cute Cats in general tend to be assholes to each other while being lovable toward humans they trust. I guess you can say the same about humans.
>I’ve been thinking of buying a heater to save more. Have you tried to make a cat shelter with an old cooler? I wanted to make one but I've no idea where to put it.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:49 No. 10293
>>10290 I always do. Most of them end up warming up to me, though. They can't resist my top-grade petting skills.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:50 No. 10303
>>10261 Hunting mice and birds just to show off to owners is standard for domestic cats, at least where I live. One of my cats caught a giant rat once and displayed it on the front door mat. They still prefer eating canned processed shit even if they hunt.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:51 No. 10312
I wish I could post cats without doxing myself to a ludicrous degree.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:10 No. 11387
>>5793 Yep, it seems that, after initially being confused about the "other cat", they quickly learn that it's a reflective surface, then they lose all interest, not even being curious about the "room" that's visible behind their reflection. After all, reflections are also found in nature, like in the water.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:13 No. 11413
>>10312 >I wish I could post cats without doxing myself to a ludicrous degree. Just remove your metadata and you'll be fine
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:14 No. 11419
>>11413 >remove metadata how?
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:14 No. 11422
>>10232 >cats are social parasites t. kulak mouse wanting to hoard stolen grain
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:49 No. 11693
>>5848 First I was like: I don't care about this movie.
Then I was like: "Idris Elba? You motherfuckers."
Compared to even Ready Player One it loses out, not to mention Hermione from Chamber of Secrets (15 years ago!) Same thing with the new Lion King.
To explain it a bit better, the problem we struggle with is that of uncanny valley and how personifying works. Seeing an animal with human traits (including, for example, a human face) can be fine if done tastefully, though extreme care must be taken to not hit on that uncanny valley, a concern not present when it's an animal face. This divide is only worsened when, in the case of Cats, it's humans in crappy CGI outfits pretending very poorly to be cats. They kept each actor's face present enough that they were individually identifiable as their human, so we the audience suffered given the inability to separate Taylor Swift from the character, resulting in what basically amounted to seeing popular celebrities licking their crotches and pretending to be cats in horrible CGI outfits. When you fail to take away that distinctly human element in such a motion, it struggles to come off as anything more than erotic and horny.
To expand on this, your first example is very well-done and looks great, but if I were to see a video of him, otherwise as a human, pawing at the ground and butting horns with another person also in a similar get-up, it would probably come off as looking like two dudes being horny, like they're a pin-drop away from locking lips, Andrew Hussie fashion. Seeing animals act like humans is cute, seeing humans act like animals is a bit less so.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:49 No. 11694
cats can recognize that a reflection isn't real bc it has no scent
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:49 No. 11695
>>10232 >>10240 dogs are literally bred to love you. that always made me uncomfortable. they are forced to live with humanity
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:50 No. 11698
>>11695 They aren't bred to love you and they certainly aren't forced to live with us, ever heard of feral dogs? Wild Dogs?
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:50 No. 11702
>>11698 Ever heard of a feral chihuahua?
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:50 No. 11704
>>11702 >cherry picking a breed of dog that arose recently during the height of capitalist consumerism And have YOU seen a Chihuaha? The fuckers are mean to a fault, they're like bitchier house-cats, want food, water and warm beds and get snappy if they don't get it the right way. very few are actually prone to affection and those tend to be larger crossbreeds if anything.
Stop projecting the treatment of dogs in the USA on the rest of the world.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:53 No. 11728
>>5793 the mirror test is biased toward species that primarily rely on sight.
Hearing and smell are as or more important to how a cat perceives the world, they certainly recognize their own scent and just try to record her mewing and play it back.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:59:21 No. 11938
My cat died today in my arms.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:59:22 No. 11941
>>11938 Fuck.
I'm sorry man.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:59:22 No. 11947
>>11704 >breed of dog that arose recently during the height of capitalist consumerism Nice try, the chihuahua is actually one of the few remaining American dog breeds bred by pre-Colombian natives.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:59:23 No. 11953
>>11938 Shit, that's awful. I'm sorry comrade.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:59:25 No. 11973
>>11947 The modern Chihuaha and tht Native American dog breed have about as much to do with one another as modern bulldogs and bulldogs of the 1600s
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