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>>19123
Oh I was asking mainly because I see people on youtube and personality related websites mention these two as 'The Golden Pair'.

>>19158
Very high Ti, would you consider yourself a nerd or scientifically minded? Do you spend a lot of time pondering? Looks very INTP to me. You are probably in good company around here

>>19162
Oh okay. Yes they are probably a pretty good pair, good mix of feeling/thinking and shared extroverted intuition, introverted nature. Lot's to relate on, similar energy/organisation requirements. But also that different preference for thinking/feeling so they can round each other out and keep things interesting

>>19163
>Very high Ti, would you consider yourself a nerd or scientifically minded? Well yeah I browse here of course I'm a nerd lol, although scientifically minded sounds too flattering for what I am.

Do you spend a lot of time pondering? Yes, sometimes I lose sleep having conversations with other people I'll never meet inside of my head, or get lost in thought in the middle of performing a house chore and I'm very prone to daydreaming about how great my life would be if I became well adjusted again after so many years.

>You are probably in good company here.
Well kinda, there is a fair bit of control freaks who make me uncomfortable but it's alright overall. What about you?

>>19165
I relate to what you said in the first paragraph a lot. Did you have a major interruption in life course?

>>19171
It's really not lol, nobodies even asking for identifiable info. Asking vague questions about people's personalities is a lot less useful than like aksing about people's locale and what praxis they do

I for one am fascinated by other people, and their personalities, I can spend hours and days on end listening to people speak and trying to learn what makes them, them. I am interested about people and about humanity in general. I don't stalk or manipulate people and I am careful not to ask anything too personal or make people uncomfortable. I am also very introspective, so it's interesting to compare how my own personality and views diverge from other people's.
If I wanted to harvest users metadata I wouldn't ask them questions about their personality, I would tell and suggest to them "details about my own life" to see what they pick up on and return. A lot of people keep the inner workings of their minds a secret and that is OK and understandable. But still some people are happy to share

ITT: tell us a bit about yourself and we try and guess your type

>>19150
the entire premise is backwards, its more of a test to see in what you are deficient and should work towards improving,

Anyone who accepts these tests should be considered mentally ill. That is the true purpose of personality tests.

Why did they decide that these specific traits are the pillars of our personalities? Why not take a hammer to someone's leg and see if they groan or scream, then try to find out how the groaners respond to certain things in contrast to the screamers and build a personality test around that. You could use all the same weasel shit to justify it that you see in this thread.

>>19177
what did you answer to get this? lmao
>>19180
MBTI is a non scientifically validated system of categorizing cognitive functions that everyone uses and how people rely on and have developed these functions to different degrees. It is not a science, however myself and many other people find it is a helpful sort of (fuzzy logic) tool. It can help to think about the psychology and behavioral style of one's self and of other people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator
If this triggers you then note much of human knowledge is abstract and not grounded in real life. I have admitted MBTI is pseudo-scientific, not scientifically validated. My interest is not at all divorced from this realization so you can cope and seethe and read another thread if you still find what I am saying unreasonable.
On the other hand big 5 and Hexaco 6 factor are both scientifically validated and reliable measurements of objective qualities of human psychology e.g. introversion/extroversion, open-mindedness, conscientiousness etc…

>>19182
>Yeah I know astrology is bullshit but it helps me anyway
You cope and I will seethe.

>19183
Is that what I said? In actuality or in intended message? Or are you being disingenuous on /hobby/ of all places because this is the internet and no one will be held to any sort of standards and code of conduct?

>>19184
What you said is nothing. Answer my question of why we aren't using groaning and screaming as the pillars of psychology. What you did was just exactly what I predicted you would, weasel yourself out of it by saying it gives you *something* even if you know it's bullshit, and then turn around and say these other horoscope tests are scientifically proven, without elaborating even a tiny bit.
I used to take these tests too when I was young and retarded, but they truly say nothing about who you are, all they do is say who you think you are.

>>19185
So since you are being rather rude you are incapable of nuance yes? You have fact brain? Do you have autism spectrum disorder? These are serious questions, if a little rude. I am not weaseling or making excuses out of anything because I am being entirely transparent with what I mean and have nothing to hide. Maybe if you were less autistic and chan brained you would take a moment to reconsider what you are replying to, as I just have re-reading your reply. I'm assuming you have taken note that I mentioned MBTI is objectively pseudo-scientific. Assuming we are on the same page, the other two personality measurements I mentioned the Big 5/Hexaco 5 factor are indeed scientifically validated measurements of a person's psychology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEXACO_model_of_personality_structure These tests have replicable results near universally accepted by the scientific community, it's not a matter of contention on if these traits exist, only the finder intricacies of them, which you know nothing about. I seriously doubt you would be willing to deny the dichotomy for example between introversion/extroversion nor how it would relate to you yourself or people you know, unless you are being willfully pigheaded for the purpose of "winning" an argument. Here take this test and post your results, I already have an idea of what you will get and I am curious if I will turn out right: https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/IPIP-BFFM/

>>19187
>I seriously doubt you would be willing to deny the dichotomy for example between introversion/extroversion
I'm not denying a dichotomy, I'm denying that these are fundamental aspects of who we are. Whether you're an introvert or an extrovert may be dependent on whether you've had your breakfast.
Now, I'll ask again, please go and explain to me why I should give a fucking shit about this dichotomy.
>Here take this test and post your results
I've taken these before, and I'll get some variation of INTP and ENFP.

>>19188
> I'm denying that these are fundamental aspects of who we are
Okay but they are though, objectively speaking.
>Whether you're an introvert or an extrovert may be dependent on whether you've had your breakfast.
Yes factors like this fluctuate over time and under different circumstances, however they remain stable over time as tendencies. Some people will always be more extroverted or introverted than others, etc. And this has a large and predictable impact on how people interact with one another. For example closeminded people tend to be more conservative/right wing, extroverted/introverted people are more common in certain occupations, and so on.

>I've taken these before, and I'll get some variation of INTP and ENFP.
The test I linked you is for the big 5, i.e. an actually scientifically validated one.

>>19170
>Did you have a major interruption in life course?
TL;DR: Everything spiraled out of control and don't know how to get back up.

Yes, when I was in my mid teens and was being pressured to 'pick a path in life' I came to realize, by observing the lives of people that at the time I looked up to and analyzing the overall trends of the economy, that this whole fairy tale about "following your dreams and finding your passion, realize your potential through meritocracy" was a load of bullshit. People were constantly complaining about suffering abuse in the workplace, feeling alienated and unfulfilled, and over all even if they made a respectable amount of money, by their admission, had been dealt a shitty hand and only used ad hoc justifications (eg. having children) for continuing a miserable existence no one wants. You would have to be braindead to want such a life for yourself, and heartless to want it for others. Thankfully I never went through with my rushed decision to go to law school out of depression.

It hit me very hard because people around me molded my identity around performing well in this technocratic hellhole by attending a private school (thanks to a student grant given due to my grades) for the illusion of upwards class mobility into petite-bourgeois, so having everything I had known until then shattered left me confused, resentful, directionless and ashamed of not knowing what to do for the first time in my life. I couldn't tell anyone how everything felt out of fear of being ostracized by my peers and 'loved ones' who didn't love me but their image of themselves in me, so I just bottled it up and when passive-aggressively chastised about why I was starting to do worse socially and academically I just made shit up like falling in love with a girl I met through the internet but lived far away in Mallorca among other things to deflect.

Eventually I further drifted away into isolation, losing friends little by little, missing opportunities for meaningful romantic relationships, getting out of shape, abandoning any notion of grooming and eventually dropping out of high-school in my last year, after which I basically just laid down to rot for two years.

Eventually I would finish high-school through alternative means while jumping between unemployment, shitty dead end jobs with horrible wages and environments and working in the informal economy for little yield, all while not having friends since I left school and only having a few short lived flings in terms of intimacy. All while my 'loved ones' talked shit about me behind my back for being introverted and because I wasn't their vessel to vicariously live through and then wondering why I don't want to have much to do with them as they faint concern over my decay for the sake of their self righteousness rather than genuine care.

Nowadays I'm doing a bit better as in more stable by feeling liberated out of meaninglessness, I've been accumulating literature on improving my social skills, how to become more goal oriented, looked into getting a career, have been working out hoping it would put me back on track but it just doesn't seem worth it given the direction of the world on top of me not deriving meaningful enjoyment out of basically anything for years now, at best I can muster feeling amused or distracted by doing something like browsing imageboards or watching videos. Even the drive of curiosity for new knowledge and it's interconnections that drove me to excel at school and wanting to socialize when I was more innocent is completely gone, I constantly space out when trying to read and simply don't feel like I want anything out of life just to disappear and be forgotten. I want to pursue my interest but I don't have any, and don't know how to resurrect that drive, how to live again after so many years wasted.

Today the most I feel is a burning desire to tear all of these institutions down, but feel frustrated and embarrassed by not knowing how to do so without reproducing this hellscape under a different presentation by repeating the mistakes of past movements.

>>19189
>objectively speaking, scientifically validated, trust me bro etc. etc.
You're boring.

>>19190
I read everything you said.
I can relate a lot.
Do you have narcissistic parents as well?

Anyways this isn't the sort of world people are meant to be living in, it makes perfect sense that an out of the box thinker would grow up in dysfunction and existential dread.

>>19193
very high openmindedness and introversion as well I see, low conscientousness. It makes sense that you are a nerd/deep thinker haha

>19192
I am serious, post big five, contribute to this thread

>>19194
>>19193
>>19190
Adding HEXACO
Well, I wouldn't say narcissistic they simply are completely different personality wise, but they definitely had a conception of parenting akin to playing with a Tamagochi as in throwing food and commodities and not even to a decent rate, and considered themselves good parents because they didn't put me through the same suffering their parents did (beatings, child labour) and for that I'm thankful for. They always had the best intentions in their hearths when forcing all of these conventions on me and growing up I looked up to and adored them, which is what makes it all that more hurtful and disappointing given that one of the reasons I was driven to excel academically was to gain their approval, because they would make me feel defective for being introverted and/or not intuitively understanding a small fraction of social norms sometimes even mocking and insulting me, on top of emotionally manipulating me to attend social events full of adults that I didn't want to attend to 'straighten me up' and make me 'normal' I never felt like their loved child, just a trophy to be paraded around due to my grades

>>19196
Is everyone on this website this damaged?

>>19196
Interesting results for honesty-humility, looks similar to mine for that factor:
>>18595

Well, I wouldn't say narcissistic they simply are completely different personality wise, but they definitely had a conception of parenting akin to playing with a Tamagochi as in throwing food and commodities and not even to a decent rate, and considered themselves good parents because they didn't put me through the same suffering their parents did (beatings, child labour) and for that I'm thankful for.
they would make me feel defective for being introverted and/or not intuitively understanding a small fraction of social norms sometimes even mocking and insulting me, on top of emotionally manipulating me to attend social events full of adults that I didn't want to attend to 'straighten me up' and make me 'normal' I never felt like their loved child, just a trophy to be paraded around due to my grades

Just from this little snapshot that sounds like emotional abuse and neglect dude. Not trying to shame your parents or anything or make you feel bad, or imply they were bad parents. But that must have been really hurtful growing up.

>>19198
Yes, everyone here is mentally here, otherwise we wouldn't use imageboards.

After reading this whole thread, when you think about it, it's pretty funny that Bee, an INFP by admission, started this thread and probably has already forgotten about it.

>>18829
>channel
I really liked INFP & INTJ cafe, the INTJ girl was very cute.

what does this mean

>>19295
Oversensitive sperg.

>>19203
>>19196
>>19194
>>19193
>>19190

Real INTP hours.

>>19295
>dominant introverted intuition
Hello there

>>19315
This INTJ are psychos meme is stupid imo. intuitives tend to be nerds/deep thinkers/little scientists/visionaries. That type of mindset isn't well suited to naked egoism. Probably most dark personalities are gonna be extroverted sensors. Even machievellians would be more like ISTJ/ISTP again imo, with the notable exception of ENTJ which is the most practical and material focused of intuitives.

>>19325
what is that all about?

>>19399
jungian psuedoscience

Have you guys identified as different types throughout life?

>>19399
A somewhat pseudoscientific way of classifying varying personality traits according to types, with a focus around what cognitive functions a given person will use more or less, and how that effects a person's personality. It's not based in hard science like say the big five or hexaco models of personality traits, however personally I find it useful for getting a vague idea of what someone is like according to how they would classify themselves. Feel free to try the tests posted here and report back with your results if you are interested.

>>20679
I frequently type switched in a fbi.gov about the MBTI just to fuck with people.

I just really like the memes.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oxn6dZe5LbY

>>20731
lol
>>20914
wtf I hate mbti now?

You know what's really funny about MBTI if Jung were still alive he would probably unalive himself for what Jungian Typology had become. Dude had never intended his theories to be another way for society to trap them in oversimplified, stereotypical roles (I mean he was a bit sexist but that's another discussion for another day). He made up this entire theory with the understanding that it's not falsifiable and it should only be used as a tool to help patients in his therapy sessions to help frame their experiences.

For example, you feel trapped by a persona you feel you must adhere to because you feel everyone will hate you if you don't. However, you get extremely angry when others say what they want and act however they want. You do everything in your power to keep them in line because their unpredictability is untasteful. Untasteful for who? Why is it that when you become angry and control other people to the point of driving them away it's good but when others are acting in a diiferent but harmless manner it's bad? Who are you really angry at? You seem to fit under the archetype of extroverted feeling, let's explore the light and shadow concepts existing in this scenario.

That's it, nothing more. Everything is just capitalist nonsense that was expanded upon two sisters' work who also admitted that their indicator's usage should be kept on a limited basis. Capitalism took a tool that could have been to help people realize the spooks society and capitalism feed them as well as the lies they tell themselves which harms the people around them as another way to abstract the relationships we have with one another. It's far more easier to call someone a dumb ESFP who doesn't understand you than realize that that person is just a projection of what you might become if didn't repress your personality to sell yourself to porky.

I don't expect people to suddenly change their whole perspective on MBTI but I think it's wrong to dismiss it for reasons the originator never even promised he would achieve.

Anyone else feel slightly embarrassed over taking MBTI too seriously in the past?

>>22596
not at all
I have none of the shame I should be having

>>22596
What about you? Also what type are you?

>>20948
good point
it is kind of just a weird self inflicted caste system in a way or like some mental illness identity but whatever I get the sense anyways that it is helpful for thinking about the similarities and differences of people, in a package stimulating and memeish enough to not roll right off my polished smooth and ADD addled internet receptacle organ