/labor/ - Labor

It's probably just a lot of grass is greener stuff. People are getting up and working every day now, they haven't been to school for a decade so probably don't remember the shit bits and think of it as a simple time with less worries.

>>412
And unfortunately, Gen X, Y, and Z with their normalisation of awkwardness and anti-worldliness wants to bar the youth from any single worldly affair as vicarious reaction towards hatred of working.

It really depends, some people like their work just as some people like their field of study, I suppose people hate work more universally because it's not optional for the vast majority and therefore you get more incongruity due to alienation.

Fuck school
Fuck labor

>>412
They don't remember child abuse and having to ask to take a shit?

Normies are precisely why more school shootings should happen
>urughur!!!! That's fedposting!!!!
Oh, guess I'm owed money than

Juvenoia probably.
>Why is it that whenever I ask most people what they learn in school, all they tell is the dumb shenanigans they committed, even to the point of wanting to officiate "rites of passage" based on dumb reckless childish stunts, but they cannot remember one intellectual thing?
You live in a 90's coming of age comedy film.

>why do people get nostalgic over hanging out with friends and getting free food in a building with AC/heating when compared to actually going to work
Imageboard mindset lmao just cuz you thought you were to smart for the normies to cope doesn't mean everyone else had the same experience lmao. its not even BlAsPheMouS to hate against public schooling ppl do all the time they just recognize sitting around and goofing off with the other middle schoolers isnt the same thing as a going to work. only imageboard mfers be saying stupid shit like this get a fucking job

>>919
Well, we never really left the 1990s. I mean most of our pop culture producers now are mainly Gen X and Millennials.

>>920
>It's not that bad to be stuck in a classroom filled with other kids who are prone to acting out and making your life hell and making you tempted to ruin your life.

>Work is hellish. I mean who knew making things that help society run efficiently was so degrading? I wanna be a lazy bum all day! The world owes me for not having that stupid teenage adventurism

>>917
It's funny how society will ban kids from recreational or industrial activities over isolated incidents but when frequent incidents happen in academic activities, nobody wants to restrict/vet

>>920
>Imageboard mindset lmao just cuz you thought you were to smart for the normies to cope doesn't mean everyone else had the same experience lmao.

Actually, most image board users are the biggest romantics for schooldays.
I mean, do you even lurk in /Siberia/? Lots of posts whining about not having a gf or friends to do stereotypically juvenile stuff with

Bump

school is mostly based on the ability to memorize information, rote learning basically. That means most people just learn facts for a test and then usually forget everything afterwards. That's what the education system is based on.

But anyway, I think most of school is pointless, they should only really teach you how to read and write and maybe do basic math. I think otherwise education should be a choice and personalized based on what you are actually interested in learning.

Before people spent all their time working, people would start working as children and teenagers in earlier periods, and that was seen as the test for the individual to prove their merit, or some unnecessary standard to pass through. And that has shifted to school and the education system mostly, we are forced to spend years, and years in school to prove ourselves. It's just not very liberal I guess. There's all these ways to spend and waste an individuals time, it's just horrible. I personally hated school growing up. I just found it extremely alienating and strange and uncomfortable. The most strange and uncomfortable atmosphere you are supposed to go and spend all your time in. With the state basically babysitting you.

ugh I don't really see where you're getting this idea that people hate working or jobs, I think that's maybe something you see a lot on niche places on the internet, but in real life most people are still just slaves to capitalism, they don't even want you to think, you're supposed to just either find a job and work (and if you don't then it's your fault you're just lazy) or you're just supposed to immediately take something in school and get into debt to pay for the tuition. I have always seen the way most people view working and the education system as like some pinball machine, it pretty much is this strange game you are supposed to play, you are just taking risks and chances all the time with your god damn life, and it's almost like this daring, exciting risk of chance to the average person. You just hit the ball around trying to strike gold or get "rich" or some shit. At least, that's the average understanding the average person seems to have of the workings of the system we are in. The thing is, even if they do know more, they mostly want to keep people like you in the dark as much as possible.

But it's like capitalism is supposed to just literally be a part of nature or life, and you're just literally surviving on your ability to fend for yourself in nature. It's just weird as fuck.

That has been the majority of my experience with a lot of people, the vast majority, which is why I don't really have more experiences because it started to become so dreadful. Most people aren't that intelligent I think, and have no idea what they're really doing. Or they know just enough to extort people, but for them it's probably something they studied a lot and it was a major deal with them, like simple intellectual concepts, intellectual concepts at all are a sign of intelligence or a big deal to the average person probably.

I just see a lot of people like they're slaves, or not much different then dogs, like they're made to be incredibly territorial and they can't be taught hardly or see beyond those strong instincts. Property=territory, and a job, I have no idea what that really is to some people. They really think that some rich capitalist industrialist or bushiness owner is like some caveman Savannah dude who is like a tribal god or deity magically creating the conditions by killing a t-rex and stealing a pterodactyl egg or something like I don't get it? it doesn't make sense.

But that's why I think some people are predisposed to being right wing or something, and not really very capable of being liberated.

The thing is scientists say that human beings are supposed to be social creatures, and that quite obviously is true to an extinct, but the way in which people can be social really diverges quite a lot. Some people they remind me almost of cavemen. There's a lot we don't know about the cavemen, but you can totally imagine their ancestors hitting people over the head with clubs, and using rocks for everything, without bathing. I mean, I like the flintstones and other depictions of them, so maybe I shouldn't go there.

I think higher up on the intelligence spectrum there are people who see everything like it's some part of a party, an extension of corporations basically, since they basically rule the world, and not all that removed from sports or something. That doesn't bother me as much, but to see everything like an extension of corporations is terrible. I guess it's more like an allegiance and is not quite the same.

But seeing capitalism like it's just 'nature' is just super weird to me. But I don't think some people can really be as communal or collectivist as others are capable of. But that's a complicated subject because I want to be collectivist for example, but I find myself considering myself an individualist most of the time. I would have to be really extreme if I were to be a collectivist as an example, sort of, but not in a super traditionalist way like a lot of people would think of that notion.

Sometimes I drift almost towards some kind of neoliberal or libertarianism position where I'm astonished that we spend so much money on schooling when, in my personal experience, you'd literally get the same results sitting everyone aged 10-18 a computer in a prison.
The only biasing factor is that my parents taught me to read, write, and do math. If your parents were unwilling or unable to do that, I see the use of school to teach you (in theory - in practice the kinds of kids who came from those families didn't exactly excel in school either), but other than that: just one gigantic inefficient waste of time. There are a lot of things you can't self-teach, sure, and school taught me and most other kids none of them. For the few who did pick up an instrument or a language and didn't immediately forget it in their 20s, you could get that outcome much more cheaply without the whole wasteful edifice of public school.

It runs against every socialist instinct I have, but whenever I think back on it, I become convinced by a sort of libertarian argument that we should all-but-abolish public education and just send parents a cheque to the value of the average cost of educating a child. Choice and competition would promote less-useless childcare (which is what 90% of education is) with more options for focusing on what you or your parents want out of it, being able to switch providers would provide an actually-effective way to deal with bullying, and for families that just use the money to supplement their income instead of buying a good education, the money's probably going to do them more good than sending their kid to school to be bullied by teachers for struggling thanks to their poor home life.
Obviously that's not my "under full communism…" solution, but it might be the most radical right-wing policy proposal that I find myself sympathetic to.

Really, the only thing that puts me off advocating such a position is the other people who're attracted to it…

>>1539
Maybe we should separate kids from their families for a few years like around ages 10-14 where they could be taught to learn on their own while living on their own for a time. Under supervision of experts of course. I always thought that this was a good idea since I've often thought that families are often the biggest impediments in the development of a child to an independent and functional adult.

>>350
Schools teach a lot of things that don't make people more productive, so I don't see the problem.

>>350
Anon we're seeing in real time in America what happens when you dismantle education and devalue expertise in favor of vibes. You fucking retard.
Also IF YOU ARE AN ACTUAL FUCKING COMMUNIST you understand the value of work. There will never stop being work. What will change is your relationship to your own labor. You will own the value of your own labor rather than being exploited by capitalists.
Just because work as it exists is bad doesn't mean that work will disappear in a just world. Likewise education is highly flawed but it serves a very important purpose. If we want to have an actual advanced civilization based on mutual cooperation, we need an educated populace that has at least a bare minimum understanding of how the world works.

>>1539
Have you considered that you're completely wrong on this and maybe you should keep thinking on it instead of ignoring all the obvious warning signs that you're full of shit? You can start by not being Amero-centric.

>>1534
>ugh I don't really see where you're getting this idea that people hate working or jobs, I think that's maybe something you see a lot on niche places on the internet,

Umm no, it's not a niche Internet thing.
It's a general sentiment both in friction and real life.

>>1540
I've thought the same thing myself.
I've always felt that kids would mature more efficiently if they were separated from their parents during the pubertal years.

In fact, ancient societies up until the seventeenth century AD used to have apprenticeships for adolescent folk.

>>1560
Anon, did you read OP at all?
I never said I hated work or schooling, I'm just saddened by the sentiment of "work sucks therefore it's evil"

>>1561
What's wrong with what >>1539 said?

>>1540
Parents are terrible life coaches by themselves. They either smother, neglect, or neglect the children. Very few parents know how to raise kids into adulthood without traumatizing them.

That's why parents should have mandatory third-party adults to back them up and keep them in check.

>>1560
>Likewise education is highly flawed but it serves a very important purpose. If we want to have an actual advanced civilization based on mutual cooperation, we need an educated populace that has at least a bare minimum understanding of how the world works.

Irony is,the world was built by illiterate tradesmen and still is today.
Also ironic is that the more time someone spends in school, the less grasp they have of how the real world works.

Any level of education beyond middle school that does not involve technical skills is prone to pretentiousness

>>1561
Yes, repeatedly, but there's no country on earth where the educational outputs seem in line with the time inputs, even before you factor in the senseless imprisonment-like elements.

It's a culture of anti-intellectualism which is seeded by bourgeois propaganda and spread by ignorant dolts. This whole notion that labor and the fostering of intellect should be seen as two separate, even mutually exclusive activities is absurd.

>>1586
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the natural sciences and engineering are examples of "how the real world works". Those illiterate tradesmen were following orders from actual engineers who, you know, move beyond middle school education.