/labor/ - Labor

I guess partly it provides structure to their lives and a sense of progress even if ephemeral

>>465
>progress even if ephemeral
Does this view require something like historical materialism? That there is some technical progress towards the liberation of man which one can contribute to which further happens to be economical? That one ought to contribute because if everyone does then it will be worth it. Futurism (as described by Bookchin) doesn't seem to cut it, because it's predicated on the idea that social relations stay the same. Perhaps there is end the world has in mind and its not merely punctuated equilibrium, with it's lurching through history.

>>467
>That there is some technical progress towards the liberation of man which one can contribute to which further happens to be economical?
To put this another way, that there is progress towards something meaningful, otherwise what is this progress that's felt, but another rationalization?

socialism.

>Who would want to work?

>Am currently a student more or less dreading and finding it difficult to imagine enjoying most of my life. Am looking for a perspective to stop dreading the future working so much.

Bruh, most college students have to work while attending classes. IMO, attending college is a bigger hell

>>465
>Bruh, most college students have to work while attending classes. IMO, attending college is a bigger hell
It's apparently 40% in the US, so you're mostly right. Anyway, was even considering taking classes towards some purely recreational goal, like philosophy, once get a job (this costing at least three times more than it should is definitely a factor however.).

There is some big leap from psychopathically studying for one's own stake and personal interests and working towards the advancement of the means of production as some cog towards the collective interest and theoretical hopes of socialism. Pain.

>>464
>What makes you motivated to wake up each week day and begin another days work?
What about paying for rent and my shit? You know, food?
What kind of fucking question is that bro

>>464
Nothing, if you work full time in office its hell. If you can get a job or gig where you can control your own hours or location its much better, its the only way I was able to do it. Working part time is also better. You will take a big pay hit for this privilege though as porky needs something in return. If your skills are valuable enough you can negotiate with your boss about it.

If you have to work fulltime, then do not discount the work environment- working in a factory is hell compared to having your own private office room in an upscale corporate office. Then you can just browse leftypol or watch youtube all day which makes it better.

>>471
Also this. College is way worse than working. I returned to school and these fuckers give like 10 assignments every week. In my job Id get one thing to do which I could stretch out to 2-3 weeks out.

College is just buckbreaking for wageslaves. Since professors are usually losers in academia who never held a real job, they never had a realistic idea of workloads so they work students to death thinking they are 'preparing' them for the 'real' world which they never experienced

>>473
The brain seems to be wired where rewards like this just don't motivate. Being motivated solely by necessity seems like it be just a dreadful, slavish, existence, but it doesn't work for me anyway.

>>475
Might be able to pull something like this off. Just chill listen to books on tape all day and fiddle with excel spreadsheets kinda thing. This is unironically my greatest hope at the moment. Really if it's this than probably shouldn't complain, just be unmotivated and relax. Pretend like you're not employed.

This whole question is probably stupid; who needs motivation.

>>476
Think a lot of profs don't see education about preparing for the real world. But that probably just makes your experience even worse if that's your orientation. Probably get into idealist territory if you agree (coming from a dreadful idealist).

>>476
College was originally supposed to be only for the rich and talented young adults who were academically divine compared to their peers. It's been cheapened into a modernised rite-of-passage for young adults which has been cheapened even further into extended grade school.

It's now just a further marketing tool to further institutionalise adolescence. Especially since you have to borrow money to take classes for things that employers won't even care about.

What's sad is that college is now treated as some golden ticket to proper adulthood, yet most you g people who attended college end up in dead end jobs and have no social nor industrial skills.

It's become normalised to be starving students and live mediocre and "loose."
Any you g person not "toughing it out" by moving to some glorified young adult academic penitentiary are seen as "missing out on life lessons".

If college is supposed to be some crash course where In supposed be broke and mediocre to learn the meaning of hard work, then I'd rather be a bourg.

>>502
There is something to the slavish dedication to maturation goals in some institutions which are supposed to be dedicated to higher learning. The economics are not in students' favor; this is probably a large part of the decision making.

Started a Masters, and am going to bail, the problem is probably analogous to what happened in my undergrad. Unknown to me a false or emulated practicality, gaining neither the benefits of pursuing what one really wanted or the economic benefits of the slavish dedication to maturation goals.

The idea moving forward is to meet maturation goals directly, and do what one wants to do on the side, which might mean a different degree.

>>511
>meet maturation goals directly
Said this, but am more than likely just going to be relaxed about it in general. Guess haven't been too much doing the opposite given the false or emulated practicality.

>>478
>This whole question is probably stupid; who needs motivation.
This just makes it seem like one should be a NEET forever.
Camp out, and avoid the pay-to-play parts of the game.

>>567
>>511
>>513
The problem is adulthood is treated like a customer rewards program. Maturity is far too often reduced to some chivalric epic tale, like Will Smith's 2004 movie "Pursuit Of Happiness".
Pain and suffering is glorified as virtue.
Success stories you read like to do the whole generation cycle myth :hard times makes strong men.

Never mind that in eras of hardship, people tend to gain more regressive habits and bad affect.


Alot of older adults like to patron is the youth with "you're young so you didn't suffer much so you don't appreciate or understand".

Yet, older people often like to use their age as some flex even against each other

>>569
>customer rewards program.
Think you might be avoiding an investment metaphor.

>hardship, people tend to gain more regressive habits and bad affect.
This tends to be true, there is the painfully labeled "post-traumatic growth" though in some (parts of) cases.

>pain and suffering is glorified as virtue.
>"you're young so you didn't suffer much so you don't appreciate or understand".
There is a pride in having worked hard, according to this ideology. The argument would be the reason am unmotivated to work is because haven't experienced this pride. This pride seems to me to be a symptom. Inherent in its function is a sort of non-knowing of what it is.

>>573
>There is a pride in having worked hard, according to this ideology. The argument would be the reason am unmotivated to work is because haven't experienced this pride. This pride seems to me to be a symptom. Inherent in its function is a sort of non-knowing of what it is.

Hard work is not the same as "pain and suffering"

>>600
>Hard work is not the same as "pain and suffering"
Have been hopeful might get some zen from work, just relax and listen to music or books on tape. But at the same time feeling like >>567 at least as a joke.

>>567
This is probably just more psycho stuff. Should probably just ignore.

>>478
>The brain seems to be wired where rewards like this just don't motivate. Being motivated solely by necessity seems like it be just a dreadful, slavish, existence, but it doesn't work for me anyway.

Listen to George Carlin's take on motivation.
He says motivation is troublesome because the people who have it are usually up to no good.

>The people who are motivated are the ones causing all the trouble! Stock swindlers, serial killers, child molesters, religiopolitical conservatives? These people are highly motivated!