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 No.1732849[View All]

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How would IP laws and copyright be handled under socialism?

Would it be abolished or just reformed? How would artists be compensated if not for royalties?

Also, what about “hard cases” like instances of cultural appropriation, etc.?

Let’s have this discussion.
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 No.1779571

>>1779566
Wrong! The chinese can die without being born!

 No.1779575

>>1779565
I definitely believe attribution is important, but intellectual property rights like copyright is artificial scarcity. It's not as simple as depending on the economic system, because it is part of the economic system.
As for the alternate voiceover in the video, mass distributers like streaming services and film publishers should be pirated and the piracy of their property should be encouraged among friends and family. Not just ideologically or politically (like BDS), but to save money, to access other versions like uncensored versions, to access more works, etc..

 No.1779588

>>1779567
Except the role of the bourgeoisie is diluted by the role of the Party; I.e, beyond pure SOEs, there’s also private firms whose owners are Party members, and party cells controlling management in ostensibly private firms. It’s hybrid, of course, but it can never be compared to the capitalist structures in the West.

DotP went swinging and has capitalists in its bed, but it’s still wedded to Communism and Socialism.

 No.1779590

>>1779571
Which is why I think 15 million is a better rate for famine deaths. You have to remember, the Great Famine hit only about half the country in full force; some people starved to death, others were hungry, but otherwise okay.

Glowie propaganda in the main.

 No.1779608

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>>1779588
>Except the role of the bourgeoisie is diluted by the role of the Party I.e, beyond pure SOEs, there’s also private firms whose owners are Party members, and party cells controlling management in ostensibly private firms.
Relations remain or they don't. You can't "dilute" private property by having it being owned by party members. That just makes the intellegencia outright capitalists since they own capital. The relations remain concrete all the same. Be fucking serious.
>It’s hybrid, of course, but it can never be compared to the capitalist structures in the West.
If it's not socialist, it's capitalist. This is a simple truth. They not only can be directly compared to the western imperial powers but in essence of the current system of production, they remain capitalist. There is no hybrid of socialism and capitalism. Proudhonist
>DotP went swinging and has capitalists in its bed
So it's not a dictatorship of the proletariat, it's a dictatorship of the national bourgeoisie and the proletariat. Why do you call it a Dotp? Do you even know what it means beyond your memes about private property being theft?

Dengists need to be murdered methinks. Wastes of skin calling themselves Marxists only to repackage and resell the old rotten social fascism of Proudhon, Bernstein and ᴉuᴉlossnW. Lowlives

 No.1779634

>>1779561
I made a small error. https://wid.world/country/china/

The trend is still true. I just shared the wrong image. The proletariat (bottom 50 percent) have about as much income as the top one percent in Communist China pre-tax, but post-tax this figure changes greatly. Communist China uses law of socialist value distribution to steal back the surplus value from the capitalists with Socialist taxation. 🙏 please. I only made small error. It was just the wrong image. The logic is correct. The trend of values distribution is the inverse of what we see in American

 No.1779638

>>1779549
>>1779536
Read Marx. Read Engels. Socialism is contingent upon highly developed industrialized economy. China, the principal communist nation hitherto in history, is this to its most extreme. Therefore, Communist China is the most socialist country because Communist China is the most highly developed socialist country both right now and in history.
>>1779522
What is detailed in the book more strongly resembles Communist China than the USSR, because Communist China is more socialist.

 No.1779656

>>1779608
Except the Soviet Union had its NEP phase and continued to retain black markets until the point of its dissolution. And the Chinese flag has stars for petit bourgeoisie and national bourgeoisie; it’s been hybrid since its birth.

China is socialist to a greater degree than any other economy besides the planned economies of Cuba and North Korea.

Marx wrote, anyways, that socialism would naturally develop out of capitalism as capitalism resolved its contradictions. Until a full replacement can be found for the national and petit bourgeoisie, these two classes will remain, albeit subordinate to the dictatorship of the proletariat.

 No.1779666

>>1779522
Remember, the textbook teaches us that these laws of socialism are universally applicable to all socialist mode of production.

 No.1779683

>>1779608
look at this cat, dude

 No.1779820

>>1779638
>>1779656
>>1779666
this is all so wrong I won't even entertain dealing with your points legitimately. stop watching youtube pederasts like Hakim or Second thought and get halfwit slop down your throat and read EVERYTHING from the three heads of marxism. if you haven't (and you haven't) don't talk. i can see through your illiteracy.

 No.1779899

>>1779820
>this is all so wrong I won't even entertain dealing with your points legitimately.
If I am so incorrect, then why can't you prove it? Why bother typing a paragraph of fallacy?
>stop watching youtube pederasts like Hakim or Second thought and get halfwit slop down your throat and read EVERYTHING from the three heads of marxism.
Youtube is for children. I read and re-read the Marxist classics. I cite from the official USSR textbook regarding this matter, which was written by Stalin's greatest theorists and then approved by Stalin himself. The textbook agglomerates the theories of the greats you mention and condenses them for neonate Marxists. I teach while you conceal and confuse.
>if you haven't (and you haven't) don't talk. i can see through your illiteracy.
You see through nothing, while I see straight through your fallacy. My literacy skills were college-level in elementary school, and my academic achievement proves this, but I am not the focus of this discussion. You bring no counterpoint. What do you disagree with?

 No.1799891

So, did we reach a conclusion yet?

 No.1799899

>>1799891
The endless Dengist / anti-Dengist trolling continues, as does the expansion of Chinese GDP, and more importantly, the continued and furthered development of socialism in China. 🇨🇳

 No.1799901

>>1799899
Dear China Anon: what are your takes on Mohism in ancient China? What is the official stance on Mohism?

 No.1799916

>>1744648
I’m going to DC next week and plan on visiting the Smithsonian. Is this lupus-ridden uygha’s drum machine worth seeing?

 No.1799972

>>1799891
Communist China's copyright law is socialist

 No.1799974

>>1799901
Sounds like queer nonsense.
Read the Daodejing.

 No.1799981

Under full communism I would expect that Artists™ would have to draw from the lottery to either maintain the robots or clean toilets for 1 hour a week just like everybody else and that they wouldn't be compensated extra for their hobby.

 No.1800770

>>1799972
You keep saying this yet still haven't shown how.

 No.1800772

>>1799981
theres no partial communism

 No.1800923

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>>1779634
> The USA was socialist until Regan

 No.1808771

>waaaa hip hop isn't real music because it uses SAMPLING
Daily reminder the Beatles "stole" other people's music all the time.

 No.1809342

>>1808771
There’s a huge difference between being influenced by a particular sound or riff vs. copying an entire song, chopping it up and repackaging it as a new song. Sampling keeps getting lazier and lazier.

 No.1809365

>>1809342
Actually sampling was alot of lazier back then

 No.1809378


 No.1809395

>>1808771
>>1809342
>>1809365
>>1809378
Rap and techno are satanic gayuyghur shit. The Beatles were programmed by the Tavistock Institute under Theodore Adorno to make gayuyghur music to brainwash Americans.

 No.1809398

Remixing, sampling, covering, who cares. It is about the final product not the process idgits.

 No.1809400

>>1809395
Go to therapy, Maupin.

 No.1809404

Dengists would defend this if it happened in a socialist country…

 No.1809407

>>1809404
The fuck does this have to do with Deng? Are you looking for some shoehorn award?

 No.1809409

>>1809407
Dengists will defend IP if IP laws are implemented by "socialist" countries.

 No.1809411

>>1809409
I think that blurred lines lawsuit was the stupidest shot I ever heard, but I think people should get paid for their work. Problem is the rights holders are often not the people who did any work and the people who worked get nothing because they have no rights.

 No.1809417

>>1809378
That's not even the Smithsonian but the Black History Museum which is literally run and organized by PMC black academics. The same people who think pushing buttons on a sampler counts as 'making music' are the same people teaching and pushing critical race theory and DEI programs.

 No.1809675

>>1809417
The museum is fairly breadpilled for an elite institution. I highly recommend.

 No.1809903

>>1743374
nou
>>1735192
u gay bait

 No.1809905


 No.1810065

>>1809417
And there are plenty of "PMC academics" who openly admire Marx and Lenin, teach the Russian Revolution from a point-of-view that tankies would agree with, and admit CPUSA did some good things.

What's your point?

 No.1811799

>>1809378
>>1809417
>>1809675
LOL that museum is just basically: blacks are weak and inferior, here's all the evidence of them being nothing but subjugated cowards. And that “j dilla timefeel” AKA the way he took pre-existing music snippets and added his sole contribution (and black people as a collective’s sole contribution) (his timefeel drum patterns) in the “beat making” section is the only thing noteworthy.

 No.1811804

>>1811799
>blacks are weak and inferior, here's all the evidence of them being nothing but subjugated cowards.
>(and black people as a collective’s sole contribution)
Keep your white supremacy in 4/pol/.

 No.1811828

>>1811799
>LOL that museum is just basically: blacks are weak and inferior, here's all the evidence of them being nothing but subjugated cowards.
Black history is a history of resilience.

 No.1812194

>>1732849
>How would IP laws and copyright be handled under socialism?
None should exist.

>Would it be abolished or just reformed?

Abolished hopefully.

>How would artists be compensated if not for royalties?

For their original work.

>Also, what about “hard cases” like instances of cultural appropriation, etc.?

Depends on the context. Overtly hateful and inciteful is probably gonna have its vigilantes. No need for a state to categorize which is which, as that is just a venue for censorship and being a white knight for other people's cultures.

 No.1812274

>>1809395
>>1811799
Dafuq is up with all the racism on this board all of a sudden?

 No.1812279

>>1809417
“The Smithsonian” is a collection of public museums, retard.

 No.1812584

>>1811799
I rather enjoyed the buck breaking exhibit.

 No.1812587

>>1812274
Lefties try not to be horrible people challenge: impossible

 No.1814865

Copyright abd IP have zero place or need under socialism.

 No.1814870

>>1814865
Wrong. See Communist China

 No.1814885


 No.1815809

>>1811799
And who made most of those “pre-existing music snippets” by chance?


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