/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>1792877
>watches ancient aliens
>read a bible
Same thing

>>1793013
thats what i was gonna say lol

>>1842966
Not really
The US is a constant histrionic bitch fest between muh based lolbert classical liberals and muh redpilled progressive liberals
There is no authentic right or left in the US and now they've turned the entire West into a reflection of that
I would unironically view enlightened despotism as preferable to either of these cringe plutocratic positions

>>1793013
>>1793018
Reading the Bible is the quickest way to lose your faith in any Abrahamic faith but prots and jews are slow learners

>>1842979
“How do you tell a catholic? Well, it’s someone who reads the Bible. And how do you tell an anti-catholic? It’s someone who understands the Bible.” ― Ronald Reagan

>>1842982
talking a lot of shit for someone in inquisition range

>>1793054
St John of Patmos literally wrote it on an island covered in magic mushrooms
He was off his tits
>>1793060
Jerusalem has 7 hills to
666/616 does = Nero
>>1793068
Astrotheology
>>1793142
You don't know what reactionary means
>>1842565
Socialism with Integralist Characteristics

>>1842982
Kek

>>1842345
The Pope said homosexual couples can be blessed, but the Catholic Church still doesn't allow homosexual marriages.

>>1843515
Yes

>>1843515
I don't see the problem here

>>1843830
The problem is that same sex marriage still is not officially allowes by the church
Hope that chances soon. The pope could do more about It, but that is not the case

>>1843832
Why is that an issue? Why would the Church do that? It doesn't make any sense for them to do that. Gay marriage is just a liberal bullshit cause.

>>1843834
Ok man now you are baiting lol

>>1843839
Seriously, why should the Catholic church be obliged to change its definition of marriage to appease pissy non-Catholics so that a minority that is neither religious nor that interested in Catholic marital standards can get married? Nobody is asking for this. Its unnecessary and helps nobody.

>>1843839
Marriage is a bourgeois relation. According to Engels, it is the other side of prostitution. It would be better to unrecognize it entirely. According to Engels, that's probably the way we're headed.

>>1843844
Let me preface that I'm willing to be berated.

Sounds great for women and tiny minority of men.

>>1792730
>holy man actually cares about the poor
Im not convinced but critical support.

>>1843844
Engels didn't know shit about history. He pulled half of that shit out of his ass. Marriage as we know it in the West evolved out of Catholic traditions. The Catholic church institutionalized marriage and restricted divorce while phasing out Roman style concubinage to protect women and prevent men from getting girls pregnant and running off leaving the girl and the child destitute. Marriage was a conservative institution meant to tie people down and cushion the woman while enforcing a monogamous model of family life on the couple that restricted sexual behavior. This is why gay marriage makes no sense. Gays and lesbian couples don't get pregnant. There's no need to cushion the inferior or subordinate partner, there are already mechanisms through which these couples can enjoy inheritance rights etc. In fact, most queers don't want to marry or are in marriages that are open relationships, in direct violation of church teachings on monogamy. Catholic theology is asexual and promotes celibacy. Sex should only exist for procreation and marriage is a sacrament that acts as a vessel for pro-creation i.e. marriage is a necessary evil in a fallen world. Endorsing gay marriage runs entirely counter to Catholic teaching. Its utterly pointless because very few queer couples are interested in Catholic style marriage and can't procreate without IVF or adoption, effectively meaning marriage is utterly redundant waste of time.

>>1843847
If you need spooks like marriage to bind women to you as your experience property in the first place then it really doesn't matter one way or another for you.

>>1843885
Didn't know marraige was a one way relation like that.

>>1843832
>supporting religious and bourg notions of legal contract monogamy
>crying about non forthcoming blessings and approvals from priests
Liberals. Lmao.

>>1843862
>critical support for vatican
Roflmfao
>>1843885
Chad having harem of voluntary women is eugenic-leninist?

>>1843867
I was talking about marriage in general. In the specifically Catholic case I agree with that portrayal of the Church's perspective. These days, with little potential for property ownership and no particular individual responsibility to reproduce the species (on average, other people take care of that), there isn't much point.
But, if there is an arc over history in the form of a law of human social development, the study of marriage as we don't know it today might help reveal it.

>>1843847
It really depends on the expectations that you have set for the relationship. Under present material conditions in the industrialized countries, there isn't any particular reason for a relationship with a single breadwinner role to necessarily seat a man in that role. And women do have more power in interpersonal relationships, in part because girls, especially but not only of the upper and middle strata, are being raised to assume leadership roles, but also in part because they can participate in the bulk of possible economic activities on approximately equal terms to men, which makes the ideal genders less dependent on one another, and relationships less binding and "serious". Some people find that tragic; others do a materialism and make history with what they got. The increasing intensity of labor power exploitation may find its social correlate in the intensity of relationships, which is something opinion writers have observed and I have seen in my travels, and that seems likely to carry over into lower phase anarchists may skip this step and possibly, with amendments, through into the higher phase.
For now, as the mode of personality shifts "from status to contract", consent culture provides one set of tools by which individuals can negotiate and renegotiate the nature and conditions of their own relations just as they have a mind; importantly, through the act of deliberate negotiation, people also debug their own desires and locate self-contradictions so they can be handled productively. The better the real sexual vanguard (not scenesters) design these relations, live them, and propagate them, the less likely that tragic flaws will make personal relationship forms and mores more noxious than is necessary.

Atheism is a safe bet on the long run. Religious people are struggling against reality with their fantasy stories. There is no need for some kind of religious communism in 21th century.

>>1844029
The world today is anywhere from 3x to 4x less religious than it was at the turn of the 20th century and yet socialism is even weaker than it was during a time of intense religious prejudice. Coincidence?

>>1846789
Proof that Islamism will be the true to socialism

>>1846789
Socialist projects have heretofore styled themselves as religions in everything but name. Maybe standing too close to God when he was killed wasn't the brightest idea.

>>1792843
The US is not a country. It is a flea market where the slimiest satanists win the rat race. Imagine the US as the pit from the Dark Knight Rises except Christian Bale doesn't throw down the rope after escaping. And multiply that by like 300 million. Americans' biggest enemy are other Americans who dream of being the elites. I know it. Because Im surrounded by QAnon retards that tell me how jealous they are of Gates and Epstein and all the naughty things they would do if they were them. It's a mircale what booze can do to an average Qtard.

>>1793883
>>1793890
True. The Feds mostly recruit from Mormons. One thing I never understood is why russia banned Jehovah's witnesses but doesn't do anything about mormons when everyone knows they're legit spooks.

>>1846915
jannies please DO NOT perma ban him. make him suffer

>>1792843
because it is the US

>>1846915
Don't forget
You're here forever

>>1792843
American caths havent existed for a long time. Most are Sedes (see protestant) and openly reject papal authority.

>>1846947
>>1846967
What did he say?

>>1847022
He was begging to be banned like a schizo. I think it went along the lines "please permaban me permaban me permaban me permaban me permaban me* or something like that.

>>1846937
I seem to remember a lot of Jesuits in the early CIA too.

>>1846937
To renounce the polis is the non-mythical correlate to blaspheming the Holy Spirit. JW doctrine counsels non-participation in politics, on account that Jesus refused and so should everyone.

>>1847765
>To renounce the polis is the non-mythical correlate to blaspheming the Holy Spirit. JW doctrine counsels non-participation in politics, on account that Jesus refused and so should everyone.
I know this is total nonsense because russia tolerates old-believers and other groups that are even more politically uninvolved than the Jw's. I also know from my good fsb bros that their whole shitck with them was over them being an american religion that they could not penetrate via intelligence. Given that, I found it weird they tolerated LDS.

>>1847796
Other factors may have been decisive in Russia, but all else equal, a state doesn't want un-alignable people running around any more than a machine tender wants sand in their hydraulic oil.
>total nonsense
K

>>1847804
>Impression im reading the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations kek
>Curious: Are you a Jw supporter?
I said it was total nonsense because of the following:
>You have a foreign religious group not involved in politics
>You have domestic religious groups not involved in politics
>You have foreign religious group openly politically involved on behalf of another country (that also happens to be your competitor)
<You only ban the first group
Put this in a logic matrix and you will see the action is illogical.
You either ban the first and the third group, the third group only or all three groups.
>hydraulic oil
Bad analogy. You know we use oil because its neutral right? If we used water, rust would happen. Sand particles are terrorists.

>>1848554
jesus heavy christ, look at all these "Relates" with no proof.

>>1848539
>Impression im reading the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations
Have you ever read any high literature or religious instructional material, or are you just christflagging for the memes? They're all like that. Hell, half of Western Maoist secondary authors write like priestoids, never mind Kautskyists.
>Curious: Are you a Jw supporter?
No, but many lived and did field service (proselytizing) in the county where I grew up, so I have a little first-hand knowledge of their doctrine. However, the point is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary pics or gtfo.
>Put this in a logic matrix
You know states don't run on "logic", right? They run on property and the monopoly of force to protect it. Real choices made under real conditions can never take account of "all" information, if only because real societies are not totally interconnected, real information propagation is not instantaneous, and real visibility is not total.
>You know we use oil because its neutral right?
Hydraulic oil with sand in it will cause damage more quickly (assuming all seals hold), that's all. It's well-understood in war that damage to an adversary's critical resources weakens them more than total destruction.

>>1842930
>The pope has nothing to do with child abuse
Yet he was personally close with accused abusers and those who facilitated abuse.
Yet he held private mass for those accused of abuse.
>>1848554
> Like pottery pole /pol/ing.

>>1848623
Im doing it for the memes. We need an id system like 4chan
Logic is important when identifying motivation. In this case, my fsb bros told me it was intelligence related and they agreed it did not make sense given other spooks running around. They have even more conspiratorial "actual reasons" that have something to do with the Ortho Church but nothing concrete.
Property and monopoly of force depend on logic.
>It's well-understood in war that damage to an adversary's critical resources weakens them more than total destruction.
Right, which is why banning one group but not the other is weird.

>>1848885
>Im doing it for the memes. We need an id system like 4chan
We really do.
>Right, which is why banning one group but not the other is weird
It was suggested that the Executive Branch tends to hire Mormon police agents. Maybe Russian intel wanted to watch them cook. Double agency and so on.

>>1848972
Reasonable. That's probably the reasoning behind them allowing mormons.

>>1848647
>Yet he was personally close with accused abusers and those who facilitated abuse.
Pretty sure that was Benedict and not Francis.