No.1831172
>>1831170i feel like this conversation happens literally everyday just on different threads it's dreadful
No.1831178
Both the Maoists and the Dengists are correct. The Maoists are correct when they call Deng a capitalist in a red garb, the Dengists are correct when they call him the authentic successor to Mao and upholder of MZT.
No.1831180
It actually baffles that people demand that the CPC has to support Maoist insurgencies, when these guys call them revisionist Hitlerites, threaten them or are attacking Chinese businesses and consulates. I wouldn't support a person that openly calls for my physical liquidation.
China switched sides when it became clear that the CPN (Marxist-Leninist Center), the one that China supports, would come of the Nepalese civil war as a significant force.
The CPC has no obligation to support Maoist parties. They support communist parties in India and the Philippines, just not the one Western leftists like to fetishize because of pictures of cute guerilla girls.
Secondly, China under Mao had a pretty retarded foreign policy, Deng actually normalized it.
No.1831185
China defenders and glowie Maoists, this is your containment thread now. please
No.1831193
>>1831180yeah it's pretty weird to expect the capitalist party of China to support actual communists
No.1831194
>>1831180What's the point of being a Maoist/Dengist if you can't count on Chinese support? Larping about a country you'll never reside in?
No.1831196
>>1831180>when these guys call them revisionist Hitlerites, threaten them or are attacking Chinese businesses and consulates.>socialist revolutionaries attacking imperialists How is this a bad thing, libtard?
No.1831200
>>1831170A false dichotomy predicated on purity tests
Opening up reforms are why under MZT agriculture didn't disintegrate like the USSR's actually.
Deng (to play with your facile great man history for a second) rigged the economy to industrialize with foreign capital instead of letting agriculture development be sidelined to industrialize (only to sell those manufactured goods at a pittance to the west anyways). Also uses the wealth they have gained from these geopolitical games to develop trading partners on the lower end of the value chain permanently upending the imperial system which relies on the colonial value ladder remaining in suspended animation
MLMs online don't do anything. IRL successful ones are on good terms with China like in Nepal and Kerala. Dumb wikipedia brain example lol.
No.1831203
There we go again
No.1831208
>>1831200 (mr)
in fact, the only example of China having bad relations with MLMs is Joma Maria Sison, the pseudo intellectual, who spent most of his life sending death threats on Facebook and capped it off by doing an interview with radio free Asia from the Netherlands about how we have to destroy belt and road initiative projects in the Philippines (at the same time and the Philippine government decided to sanction those companies. It was a coincidence I'm sure)
The same Radio Free Asia ran fake news articles about China sending weapons to stamp out the Maoists, but none of you can actually source a good article. Benarnews is RFA btw kiddos
No.1831210
>>1831193>>1831194>>1831196Whats the point of constantly crying about China?
No.1831211
>>1831208writing Mr. instead of me is pretty funny I'm gonna leave that
No.1831214
>>1831194You don't listen to anything anyone says, and you're surprised you don't understand the stakes of what they're talking about
No.1831217
>>1831210Don't know if you're aware, but China is the greatest manufacturer in history and the #1 exporter on Earth. It's not some smol tiny country on the other side of the planet that can be ignored
>>1831214What do you get out of being pro-China?
No.1831220
>>1831202I like the pit of hatred you have sunken into where you just constantly make these threads and try to get some satisfaction out of it. It really hurts you to see a country upset the unstable hegemony of the United States
what you don't seem to understand is that nobody is accusing you of coping for the US. You just thought you had a monopoly on crying about what the US does you thought had the best analysis, but it was actually handed down to you by the same media that spread these glowing narratives that's why you're obsessed with the idea that the US is unbeatable you're obsessed with all of its war crimes the covert action, but you have no idea of a way out. You do not believe a better world is possible
No.1831221
>>1831210They live in burgerstan or in a burger allied country and are angry about their side losing
No.1831222
>>1831221no I don't think that's it actually they're just angry to find out that there's more to life than watching Hassan and democracy now
No.1831223
>>1831220I don't think about you
No.1831226
>>1831222 (me)
it's the exact same kind of content you get out of people like Joe Kasabian and Mark Ames half the time they're fucking crying about how veterans don't get their treats after they go overseas and kill babies
the only people who were satisfied with that stuff in the first place were drawn to media that only tells them what's in it for them that's why they just vaguely gesture towards Unionism as if it's inherently leftist.
No.1831229
>>1831223you literally obsessed about me for weeks when I left banning people who you thought were me
No.1831230
>>1831229And you are mentally stable
No.1831232
>>1831229 (me)
if you'd actually seen the madmen episode that meme is from anyways Dan draper spends the entire episode obsessing about the guy who he says he doesn't think about at all. the way you dip into your psychology today memes to try to hurt me shows how much it hurts you for me to speak my mind without hesitation. You have to crunch your mind up into a little ball twisted around into knots just to try to come up with a reason that I'm not just speaking my mind, but that's all I'm doing.
your board is dying and you're going to kill yourself. I tried to tell you to be more positive. I tried to stop the trans genocide. Didn't work
No.1831233
>>1831221>and are angry about their side losingMost pro-China people are nothing but larpers content only to post GDP numbers. Vast majority will never move to China or even learn Chinese, spending their days demanding support for a country that couldn't give less of a shit about them
No.1831234
>>1831230and what if I am, what is at stake if you find out I can throw shit at you for fun? could you live with it? could you live with finding out anyone you argue with online isn't a Gollum-esque creature twisted by hate?
No.1831235
>>1831222streamer brained "communists" are the worst, they develop parasocial relationships with some incoherent rando and do absolutely nothing else with their life, atleast they're not straight up libs or nazis so i guess thats good
No.1831236
>>1831221>They live in burgerstan or in a burger allied country But enough about Dengists.
No.1831237
>>1831193Ah yes, those "actual communists" again.
>>1831196Because they never attack American businesses and consulates. The Shining Path attacked Cubans, Chinese and Soviets, but to my knowledge never Americans. This is because the obsession with "social imperialism" is fundamental to Maoist identity, which justified their "split" from "revisionist" parties in the 70s, and disavowing Moscow.
No.1831238
>>1831234I'm on tinder, can't talk
No.1831240
>>1831238I see posting my cock had the intended effect of driving you into a horny frenzy and forcing you to get a life
No.1831242
>>1831236Ahaha, you retard. Every communist of the entire global south is a "Dengist" if they are not Maoists (who are not in power, that is).
The American left is notorious for being detached ultras, Trots, anarchists and right-deviationists.
No.1831244
Perfect thread after Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan got funding.
No.1831246
>>1831244Yes, perfect time for a thread on how Iran, Russia, and China are imperialist because they have a military and central banks which don't play ball with foreign neoliberals (Russia's central bank is retarded neolibs btw, these threads keep us away from real discussion yet again)
No.1831247
>>1831233Projection again
No.1831250
>>1831242How would you know the ideological composition of every Communist in the global South?
>>1831247Do you speak Chinese?
No.1831251
>>1831235>not nazisnot quite but Hasan tried to send his 18-25 coombrains to fight in Ukraine
invidious (i think it works again rn):
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=WQU6oIVGf84 No.1831252
>>1831200>IRL successful ones are on good terms with China like in Nepal and Kerala.They aren't successful. They've lost and became revisionists, an effort that the CCP contributed to with their arming and backing of the bourgeoisie in those countries.
I wonder why you didn't bring up the Philippines whose ongoing Maoist insurgency recognize the CCP for the liberal revisionists that they are.
No.1831254
>>1831233>only to post GDP numbersNever saw that as an argument. Unlike your lala land, China is a significant world power, with tons of Westerners moving to China. Communist delegations are always visiting China. A comrade of mine is translating Marx and Lukács to Chinese. Accusing people who support China of LARPing is probably the most retarded thing to do. When you yourself own Soviet memorabilia or whatever.
>Vast majority will never move to China or even learn Chinese, spending their days demanding support for a country that couldn't give less of a shit about themYou realize the goal of communists should be to change conditions in their own country. That doesn't preclude learning from China or other past socialist projects. "If you like communism so much, why don't you move to North Korea!!" is a rightoid argument by the way.
No.1831255
>>1831252I was the guy who brought up Sison in this thread you illiterate grazing faggot
No.1831256
>>1831242>Every communist of the entire global south is a "Dengist" Hey Cleetus. You're replying to a communist from the global south.
No.1831257
>>1831254OH FUCK YES HE'S TRANSLATING LUKÁCS IT'S OVER FOR WESTOIDS
No.1831258
>>1831256>he speaks for the entire global southHoly shit, your eminence! Welcome!
No.1831259
didnt read all that but I`m a brazilian communist and China has my full support
No.1831260
>>1831250>Do you speak Chinese?Where are all those China numba one threads in the catalogue? Oh, you’re so oppressed! Lemme guess you think everybody is bootlicking Xi because they don’t agree with your insane agenda of turning every thread into a Dengbeetle vs Meowist shitfight.
No.1831263
>>1831253Didn't bother to read the rest of your schizoposting.
No argument btw just poisoning the well as usual.
>>1831258More so than a burger like you lmao
No.1831264
>>1831259🫡 hello brazilian user i love the landless workers movement of brazil some of the best commies to talk to online the only diskkkord friends i keep the app downloaded for lol
No.1831267
>>1831259>The based capitalist economic bloc X will enact communism in two more weeks (definitely won't strengthen the national bourgeoisie and crush worker movements even more)Okay Gringo 👍
No.1831268
EOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OK I FUCKING HAD IT
CHINA IS SUPPORTING FUCKING NEO NAZI BATTALIONS IN MY COUNTRY AND BASICALLY THEY ARE FASCIST
YOU FUCKING LARPERS
No.1831269
>>1831252>CPI(M) in Kerala>losingWhat fucking planet are you on. Nepal is a mess, but Maoists share the blame. They are still in government though, with the Nepali Congress, which are SocDems but it's fine because it's a heavy underdeveloped nation that was an absolute monarchy a while ago.
>I wonder why you didn't bring up the Philippines whose ongoing Maoist insurgency recognize the CCP for the liberal revisionists that they are.They fucking give interviews on Radio Free Asia (literally CIA) and tell them they are going to attack Chinese. The CPC's sister party is the older PKP-1930 who disagree with the splinter CPP on armed insurgency - which, by the fucking way, sues for peace with the government (pic related) and an end to the conflict.
No.1831271
>>1831264i wish this website had a somewhat brazilian/Lula/Worker's Party/MST flag. I know it's not proper communism but it's the most prominent leftist moviment in Brazil
yeah fbi.gov grew a lot here since the pandemic.
>>1831267dude, i DON'T KNOW about all of that. I just want my life to be less miserable. either China takes over the US or I will kill myself
No.1831272
>>1831254Isn't the argument ITT that China has no obligation to communists around the globe? What does your China support actually look like other than posting? I also don't see what's wrong with asking about moving to China - you said tons of Westerners are moving, so why not learn about China at first hand instead of third or fourth hand?
No.1831273
>>1831257>doing actual practical work>immediately gets ridiculed"Anti-Dengists" ladies and gentlemen. I bet he even gets paid, what a fucking fascist, he should join my anarchists housing commune.
No.1831275
>>1831272Oh no, anon is posting posts on /leftypol/.
Waaah wahh LARPers waaah waaah. Go back to /pol/.
No.1831277
>>1831271US imperialism is just way too much hostile to us than whatever "Chinese imperialism" can be. we've lost 10 years of potential development due to american interventions in our country, our people are even more reactionary, extremely religious and dumber than ever, almost in american right-wing level. I DO NOT SEE the chinese fucking us over like the americans do
No.1831279
>>1831252Nepal was not fully successful, but they did get rid of the monarchy there which is an objective improvement. Have you ever considered why their party turned revisionist? Doesn't this just prove how incoherent maoists really are? I've seen atleast 10 divisions of maoism based on which fringe political figure they like (e.g. baby boiler, pot, sison, etc.), MLs have had one major deviation which is just the patsoc magacom nonsense
No.1831282
>>1831275I'm still curious though - what does a communist party member in say, Malawi, get for being pro-China?
No.1831283
>>1831272>Isn't the argument ITT that China has no obligation to communists around the globe?This isn't the Cold War where revolutions and waves of communist insurgencies swept half the globe. The communist struggle remains fractured and in pockets, Nepal is the only example I can think of, that pencil guy in Peru was a catastrophe, and maybe local victories like the KPÖ in Graz and Salzburg. How would China "help"? Funding communist parties in the West and get them banned for receiving money from a foreign actor? Organizing exchanges and seminars? They are doing that.
I agree insofar that their integration into the world economy compromises their support to potentially armed struggles. But when China was completely isolated, under Mao, they did a even worse foreign policy like supporting Pinochet and retarded shit like that.
No.1831284
>waaah all LARPers waaahWhy do the shills completely ignore this thread:
>>>/leftypol/1764921 No.1831286
>>1831282What do you get from shitting up the catalogue?
No.1831290
>>1831283Which parties have actually gotten banned for foreign funding?
>>1831286Believe it or not, I'm not the guy who made this thread
No.1831291
>>1831276>trade is imperialism>capital export is imperialismAh, so it's actually the Indians imperializing the UK, because there are more capital exports from India to the UK and vice versa.
The USSR, by the way, was one of the biggest arms dealers after the US. And not all of these weapons ended up in the hands of regimes that are not known to friendly to communists either.
No.1831298
>>1831290>Which parties have actually gotten banned for foreign funding?The USSR was smart enough to not do that directly. If you want concrete examples, the KPD even though we know now that they didn't receive money from Moscow and East Berlin. South Korea bans tons of leftist parties for alleged ties to the DPRK. I mean there are dozens of examples, even when the accusation wasn't true.
Also, did the whole Russiagate hysteria just fly past you?
No.1831304
>>1831225>>1831295>>1831301Go back to your containment thread, liberals.
No.1831308
Uh oh someone isn't having fun with their roleplay posting any more! The terrifying ordeal of the narcissist who wants to be seen but remain unknown. Maybe later some of Misato's new headmates will grace us with their presence again. Maybe the next one will be a single divorced man.
No.1831309
>>1831304Go join the Naxalites adventurist
No.1831316
Deng is a successor of Mao, and Xi is a successor of Deng. There are no contradictions between them, all of them are honest communists. If you fail to recognize this that means you are a revisionist
No.1831317
>>1831316bait used to be believable…
No.1831319
FREE PALESTINE
No.1831324
>>1831321
The geopolitics understander has logged on. Is this Brace Belden?
No.1831326
>>1831319By destroying Israel's top two trade partners
No.1831333
>>1831170I think people are overlooking a huge thing, here:
>Kingdom of Nepal>Supported by:>BelgiumAnd that by itself is way nastier than any of the countless, endless discussions going on about maoism vs dengism and whatnot.
No.1831341
>>1831180when you hate the west so much you tar genuine 3rd world maoist insurgencies as west-affiliated because they are left of the CPC and because some westerners like them (the NATO-imperialist "left" doesn't know who they are)
No.1831346
>>1831333Oh yeah I forgot nobody else actually even read OP good point man. They don't know the recent history of Nepal or Kerala either.
>>1831208 (Mr. Me)
>>1831341Which ones? The story of them sending weapons to destroy Maoists in the Philippines was fake news. None of you have posted any sources.
Sison literally did an interview with radio free asia calling for attacks on the same companies the Philippine govt and the USA were sanctioning. Not the first time he's done something this suspicious, but he died after this. This was his last act. Interviewing with Radio Free Asia from the Netherlands. This is your guy.
No.1831355
>>1831352
>Maoists, Gonzaloists, and Dengists
what is even going on upstairs over there anon
No.1831357
>>1831333Maoists, Gonzaloists and even Dengists combined are a million times better than the christcucked sandinistas as they are right now.
No.1831358
Can we talk about sex tourism in Nepal?
No.1831363
>>1831355The only time they were worthwhile was when they were Marxist-Leninist and fighting against the US-backed Contras. They should've been liquidated the moment they abandoned Marxism-Leninism in favor of demsoc oriented christcuckery and brainrot.
No.1831364
>>1831346>Which ones?The post I'm replying to gave examples. Read the reply chain.
No.1831394
>>1831170>Which proved superior?Gee. The one that turned China into the most powerful nation on Earth or the one believed in by a handful of LARPers in Toronto? I guess we'll never know.
>Why do some leftists credit Deng for the rapid development of ChinaBecause Deng's reforms were immediately followed by the rapid development of China.
>a principally liberal view of Chinese historyNotice that the liberals never shoot down a theory for being illiberal, because they have enough experience to know not to take their own ideology too seriously or it could lead to blindspots in their analysis. Only powerless dogmatists believe in and/or reject theories for no other reason than that they're held by the people who hold them.
No.1831399
>>1831394Free the working class by hanging socdems
No.1831412
>>1831364Well I asked because everything in the reply chain has been responded to in the thread and you made zero attempt to refute anything said. Do you insist on continuing your whining without responding to anything?
No.1831486
>>1831464not really I mean all of the Ukraine Israel people don't even need to have a real de colonizing take, If you spend enough time crying about how the Palestinians are suffering, you can do a great job of covering up what a shit job the IDF is doing against Qassam brigades. you don't even have to become a full throated, both sides liberal
No.1831489
>>1831486 (me)
sorry I guess I phrased that weirdly what I mean is it's not amazing how incoherent it is, but it is amazingly incoherent
No.1831564
>>1831561>Do they really believe they know better than the 19 million member of the CPSU?Yes, unironicaly, this is basically the status quo of /leftypol/
No.1831567
>>1831561China puts too much effort into protecting & developing its agricultural production to collapse like the USSR. All of the shit people used to complain abt in China was tiered to shield rural areas from costs related to social services like healthcare. They can expand the productivity of the agricultural sector with automation without assblasting everyone in rural areas with poverty.
No.1831569
>>1831564This is basically a small group chat at this point. Be real.
No.1831579
>>1831569I never said it was a big group chat.
Even though "sectarism is "banned"", people will still point fingers and call each other bad words and not argue in good faith.
I am real, wdym
No.1831580
>>1831567Urbanization level of China is currently 66.3%. China is no longer a rural country.
No.1831595
>>1831341They are not "west-affiliated" but it's like Maoists don't have a history of being useful idiots. Western Maoists in Germany started to supporting NATO as a "deterrence against Soviet social imperialism". Some Maoists think that Cuba was imperialist in Angola.
So don't give me this shit about them being immune to criticism or worth supporting no matter just because they run through the jungle with an AK and an eyepatch.
No.1831596
>>1831579Just being autistic because I don't see how a tiny communications channel clogged with deeply unstable personalities can have a "status quo" but yeah that is what the diskkkord furries who run this place want u r right
>>1831580That doesn't mean rural development is slowing down as a result of the growth of the metropolis, or its participation in international trade is depleting the country's topsoil. It doesn't mean people are going to be cut off from social services just because they're not living in poverty. It's just an example of the triage system that respects the need to safeguard rural development. Mao would approve
No.1831608
>>1831596They've been relatively neglected; there's efforts by the CPC to address the worst held communities but the best way to deal with rural indigence is to move them to the cities.
That said, under Chinese law, peasants retain non-transferable land use rights, so even when they move into cities, they're technically "propertied" and if the going gets bad, they can still go home.
Long-term, 80-90% urbanization a la South Korea and Japan is probable.
No.1831645
I want to ask Maoist comrades in this thread to read Maoist theory before posting as you are basically just bickering with the Roaders without ever disproving or defeating them. The quality of discussion is very low. You need to be educated on theory and you shouldn't stoop to their level.
You should read the following essay, especially the parts on imperialism:
https://www.red-path.net/analysis/is-china-an-imperialist-countryI wonder what dengists have to say about it
No.1831652
>>1831645>I wonder what dengists have to say about itNothing.
It's an in depth marxist study with empirical evidence. They'll just resort to "communism is when good thing"
No.1831859
Home ownership rate in China is 96%, the highest worldwide.
No.1831864
>>1831326Tiktok radicalized hundreds of millions of Gen Z worldwide on Gaza, including multiple millions in the West. Where is your crying about Tiktok thread? It must be some SeeSeePee capitalist agenda, innit.
No.1832015
>>1831645Export of capital is not de facto imperialist. When Chavez on Venezuela came to power he needed a way to boost social spending without taking loans from the World Bank and IMF. China cooperated and aided him. Laos today has also received many loans in order to maintain economic stability. Ecuador during Correa and Bolivia under Morales received aid as well from the Chinese. The entire argument about Chinese export of capital is ridiculous when tons of money has been committed to help socdem and socialist governments stabilize. If anyone on this board was smart enough to launch a revolution in their homeland they would need Chinese money during the transition process but since everyone here is retarded they can sit in their suburban amerikkkan homes crying about the chinks and dengoids. Btw Deng himself offered aid to East Germany at the end of the Cold War to keep it alive and that information only got declassified in 2021/2022 but we still have retards on this board calling him a capitalist roader.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0043820020965968?icid=int.sj-abstract.citing-articles.19Here's a study from someone who actually has a brain who realized that China's economic assistance to both Ecuador and Bolivia skyrocketed when left wing movements came to power in comparison to economic ties under previous governments. China likes being subtle so they will never announce their aid to anyone but will just pretend like it's business as usual.
No.1832041
Maoism is superior at the initial stage of revolution and state building, delivering good educational and health outcomes to the masses. Dengism is better once you have the cultural infrastructure for industrialization. Xiism is best when you are industrialized; I.e, SOEs control the economy and deliver high value-added goods.
No.1832057
>>1832041This is also working backwards from your conclusion but at least it is pretending at empiricism (which btw is limited, at best).
No.1832101
>>1831645Reading the synopsis, they are setting themselves out to debunk the arguments that China is still in the shackles of US imperialism. They call that quasi-Kautskyist. First off, I find this to be inconsistent with the Maoist tradition, which called China "social imperialist" only a few years after Deng took over. China obviously was in a much different position then, with the West obviously imperializing China by export of capital for cheap labor.
But anyway, any serious Leninist analysis of imperialism begins "at home", with the formation and power dynamic of the national political economy, not with the relation to other potentially imperialist competitors. It's starts with the entanglement of monopoly industrial capital and bank capital towards finance capital, the formation of cartels that are relatively independent from the polity and state, and begin to subsume the former. After that, there is a historical subjective element that you need incorporate to avoid economic reductionism. A part of that is the genesis of the Chinese state, China went through a phase of national consolidation and socialist revolution, removing the vestiges of imperialism and bureaucratic capitalism. The institutions of socialism were never dismantled in China. If Deng did represent a capitalist takeover, a clean break like the Warsaw Pact countries would have been visible. Instead, Deng strengthened the socialist state institutions and Party organs, Gorbachev and Yeltsin dismantled them.
Obviously China takes things further than the Soviet NEP, but still, if you read Lenin's contribution to the Communist International, he specifically pointed out that their "state-capitalism" exists under the pretext of a "socialist republic", which he contrasts in terms of essence, although appearing similar in form, with bourgeois forms of state-capitalism, the example he uses is the clearly reactionary German Empire during the phase of its war economy in World War I.
>down to their level You could have posted this without being unnecessarily stingy. Common theme with Maoists, even moreso than with Trots.
No.1832105
>>1831931I fear what will happen if these guerillas win the revolution. Without good economic theory all these victories are for nothing.
No.1832108
>>1831652>I posted le study therefore I'm right I can do the same:
https://marxistleftreview.org/articles/001/Arguing the opposite, from a Trotskyist perspective, mind you.
No.1832111
>>1832105Not just economic theory, theories of socialist statecraft as well. If they don't have that it will just be a never Nepal, where "Prachanda Path" was a failure. Conviently, other Maoists can just immediately write them off as revisionists the moment they take power.
The same would have happened to the Shining Path, no matter how extreme they were before.
No.1832133
>>1832015>Btw Deng himself offered aid to East Germany at the end of the Cold War to keep it alive and that information only got declassifiedSource on this? I've been told the exact opposite.
No.1832225
Trash vs Garbage
No.1832238
>>1831185Bumped for attention and because I have nothing to do but lurk here.
No.1832260
>>1832238>Bumped for attention and because I have nothing to do but lurk here.Why not read a book?
Read the news?
If you have read the news read the news of a foreign country you don't know much about.
Boredom is counter-revolutionary.
No.1832265
>>1832238You gotta be fucking kidding me you don't have anything better to do? I was the guy who kept this alive for the first 90 replies lol. You can't get my attention when I'm off hiking and eating dim sum. Gonna stop reading here. Doesn't look like any discussion took place.
Like other anon said, read an actual book, and imo one by Samir Amin
No.1832269
>>1831931>He didn't read anythingwestern Sison fans are all the same
>>1831208 like wow look at your cool photo of a guerilla. nice aesthetic bro
>>1831652Nothing stronger than starting off with "gee I hope the TANKIE FILTH doesn't read this and gives up" man
>>1832101 >>1832015 No.1832318
>>1832308<read book? GRUG SMASH!!beyond parody, Mr. Gasm.
>class struggleYou have no interest in such things. Like Turkey and India, you think that you can develop through cooperation with imperialists.
That is why you get hung up on bullshit when you see dependency theory arguments about how superprofits are distributed to the top 10% of American workers and other labor aristocrats in the imperial core, and you think it's the Infrared!Haz argument that baristas are the labor aristocracy.
No.1832319
I understood these things years ago, because I am very inquisitive whenever I am presented with truly new ideas. Few people on this website can manage that, despite trying to be as lulzy and holds-up-spork-random as possible. I do actually have to go eat dumplings now. Take care. Read the 2018 article "The New Imperialist Structure" if you want to see one of Amin's final takes on this world. Or just leave good writing it lying on the ground and go eat poop like a dog
No.1832406
>>1832318>read book?I have a lot to read already on my plate and a lot to reread. The reason I do not blindly regurgitate the names of authors for others to read the works on is because I consider myself a student that is still learning. It would be wrong to suggest a book or theory out of the blue. Amin will surely come up on the long list of books eventually but cursory knowledge of his theory and his writings clearly show a deprioritization of class struggle.
But I will get to it nonetheless. His writings on Eurocentrism did pique my interest.
>you think that you can develop through cooperation with imperialists.??? Cooperation entails a sense of collective comradery. There is none under imperialism only subjugation. You think I stand at the polar opposite of this argument. You are wrong. We both see imperialism as the primary problem, but where we differ is who we see as the revolutionary class. You see the national bourgeoise as the spearhead for development. I see the proletariat as the revolutionary class and peasantry allied together in which the national bourgeoise should be subservient to. That is where (as far as I see) our primary differences lie (as well as basic Leninist definitions of imperialism and understanding of modern revisionism).
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>>1831237I was going to do a joke, but the journo/ecologist who was stoned not a burger but an euro.
So
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>>1831180>China will never support people who call them mean names but with supposably similar beliefs but will support outright anti-communist groups Why is Chinese state and their leadership so insecure ?
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>>1834646Stop projecting.
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>>1832406Man, I swear your whole goal is just to write uninteresting drivel. I don't even understand how you expect this to be a conversation. Samir Amin wrote so many fucking articles, many of which are abridged versions of chapters in his books. His writing is designed to get to the core of the ideas he is expressing, although it is extensively sourced and will fill up your reading list with other historians instantaneously. "Reading lists" are a fake idea. I have every book in the world on my reading list, but there is a priority system which shift constantly. There is no % doneness to my reading list. I recommend you read these books rather than trying to get people like me to give you dumbed-down blurbs or our book reports so that you can extrapolate from them to whatever bullshit you'd rather criticize than the actual argument.
See the Jacobin article about multipolarity which was reposted recently on the Twitter. (Last one which was a quote tweet or post and not a retweet (3 likes! truly you picked the best time to get into twitter: when it's chock-full of [ M Y P U S S Y I N B I O ] , child rapists, and child rape itself), so it shows up on Google News rss) Rather than engage with the historical and economic material cited by anti-imperialists and also nationalists of semi-peripheral and peripheral countries (because they are facts), it makes a series of unanalytical historical parallels between the multipolarity of WWI (which I must stop and remind you was squabbling between the very European colonialist countries which make up a bulk of the EU-Japan-ROK-Taiwan-Aukus imperial system today, with the exception of Russia which has been denied even the position of Turkey as a sub-imperialist liason, and as a result of the covid and Ukraine crisis and sanctions has pivoted to Asia) and the multipolarity which will return as a result of the crumbling of the imperialists' ability to rejuvenate the colonial system, handicapping the development of the third world to ensure it serves as a cheap source of natural resources and labor. The premise they brushed past was that unipolarity somehow made the world more peaceful. It's really childish how these people are unable to conceptualize of any nation acting differently than imperialist countries. Unipolarity signified not just by these military uninhibited, merciless interventions and covert actions on peripheral countries, but by the imperialists' preeminence in international institutions that is felt so painfully in Gaza today, with the US's supreme position in financial matters and international financial organizations which manage lending, critical for keeping neocolonies debt-trapped & selling things on the dollar for a pittance.
One example of emerging multipolarity is the ability of Sahel countries to put down IS style terrorists with Russian weaponry. I guess that kind of thing makes you shake in your boots.
For most of the world, the idea that there is some "emerging threat" of other countries no longer being forced to let the US break international law at will is completely asinine. That's why it's published in Jacobin, one of the most infamous laughingstocks of western leftism. I would be happy to list of some of their greatest hits, but I know you're busy rereading The Very Hungry Caterpillar with other ancoms or whatever it is you think you are.
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>>1834854Damn bitch calm the fuck down.
>you should read Amin's work<ok, when i get too it after reading other books>NOOOOO IT WILL OVERLOAD YOUR READING LIST INSTANTANOUSLYOk. I'll just read him later then when I have more time.
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>>1834864Damn, you can't even read one post correctly.
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>>1834867I really don't care about your wall of text. I saw [ M Y P U S S Y I N B I O ] and just tuned out.
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I will respond to replies by the way in the weekend. I have to focus on other things right now.
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>>1834936We're never gonna see socialism in our lifetimes, are we?
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>>1834936beatiful, this made my day much better, thanks anon
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>>1834936based
anarkiddies owned
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>>1834936I hope you kill yourself
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>>1831170Are Maoists outside of China actually successful?
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>>1835011They won their PPW in Nepal, only to immediately give up with just getting rid of the monarchy. So the Maoist declaration that MLM is the key to prevent modern revisionism seems silly.
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>>1835034It’s more fractured than /leftypol/ lol
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>>1834737You're the one saying that some Communist revolutionaries talking shit means that they deserve no support, while other groups which are outright anti-communist are able to get support from the chinese how else should one take this other than the fact that they are insecure?
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>>1835071>while other groups which are outright anti-communist are able to get support from the chinese Source?
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>>1835071Again, you are ignoring that the CPC does indeed support a communist party in the Philippines, just not the one you like.
>groups which are outright anti-communist Such as?
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>>1834869>can't understand post>remove it and ban the poster>problem solvedDidn't even notice until later lmao
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>>1835619They haven't sourced anything else in this thread or responded to their baseless claims being contradicted yet so why would they start now lmao
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