No.1834162
>>1834127There doesn't need to be a second Israel. The Israelis can live in Palestine. Anti-zionism isn't about making Jewish people leave the Middle East (Jewish people were living in the Middle East continuously for thousands of years before the Balfour declaration). It's about ending the murder, displacement, and oppression of the Palestinians.
The Israelis should not be allowed to continue displacing Palestinians from their territory and taking their homes, and displaced Palestinians should be granted the right of return, but there's no reason Jews can't live in the region. They can share it with the Palestinians in a binational one-state solution. Look at Singapore for a good example of multiple ethnic groups sharing a region without apartheid.
>There is no way Israelis and Palestinians can live peacefully in the same countryI'm sure if the Israelis stopped bombing them the Palestinians would chill out. The conflict isn't really religious or ethnic in nature anymore. They're not fighting each other just for the lulz.
No.1834222
>>1834127>RwandaThis would be very funny considering Rwanda is a chauvinist regional/sub-imperialist power in its own right, against all odds. Shit maybe theyll just give the zionists Burundi
>>1834162While this is all true in principle, the South African transition to a multiracial state was less fraught than any fall of Israel would look like, and it still saw like half of the white settlers emigrate out of the country rapidly. Settlers dont like to live as equals on the land they stole, even if you dont redistribute the land, as South Africa didnt but should have. Israels fall will likely be far more violent, and if by some miracle it isnt, most zionists will still flee.
No.1834279
>>1834127>1. Austria>Tbh giving citizenship to some 6 million Israelis is probably the least they can do considering they started this whole mess in the first place.>2. Rwanda>They're already establishing themselves as the go-to destination for immigrants anyway, and with all these militant settlers Kagame can conquer all of Congo in just two weeks>3. Japan>Japan lost like half a million people every year so having all these people would revitalize their economy. Besides lots of Japanese esoteric nationalists love Judaismthese are all retarded
amerikkka is the most realistic option, as well as france, canada, russia, morocco, any place that has a sizeable jewish population already
No.1834282
back to brooklyn
No.1834290
A second Israel won't exist as there won't be sufficient western support for it, losing in Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan will do them a number too big, the Israelis will all disperse in Europe (where they came from) while Jews and Palestinians will stay in Palestine.
No.1834294
>>1834290>A second Israel won't existRojava already exists.
No.1834325
>>1834127We already have a thead for this.
No.1834331
To eliminate the legitimacy of nation-states and ethnic regimes and send them to museums. Just like eradicating kings and monarchies, there's no longer any foolish talk about giving a certain king a piece of territory.
This is the real solution.
灭亡国家与民族政权的合法性，把他们送进博物馆。就像根除国王与君主制一样，现在可没有什么愚蠢的给某某国王一块领土一说。
这才是真正的解决之道。
No.1836965
>>1834222Most of the black people in South Africa are settlers too. They came from what's now Zimbabwe and Botswana after the Dutch arrived. Native blacks are a minority in modern South Africa.
No.1837036
You might find this article interesting OP. Points out how after Apartheid ended (after a very real and bloody dirty war that USA would really like everyone to forget) white people were even more frightened by the black people wanting to make peace and coexist, rather than retaliate against them. They couldn't believe they weren't taking any vengeance.
No.1837065
>B. There is no way Israelis and Palestinians can live peacefully in the same country. This isn't just idealistic demands about the Right to Return; the harsh facts is if the Zionists do not move to another country there would be endless civil wars in the Levant
This is just not true. Why can Israeli Jews and Palestinians not live on the same land? Right now they can't because of capitalism and imperialism. The US keeps Israel as its agent in the Middle East and the Israeli bourgeoisie is a capitalist class whose profitability requires more acquisition of Palestinian and other Arab lands. If this class were eliminated and the imperialists driven out, the Jewish working class in Israel and the Palestinians could live in the same state because the property relations underlying that state which created the hostility no longer exist.
Or they could decide to leave in more than one state. Either way, the OP presupposes no socialist revolution happening somewhere in the Middle East (or in the imperialist powers) and causing a major shift in domestic politics within Israel or somewhere close by.
It's a very static, metaphysical question and also shows a lack of ability to think beyond Zionism.
Zionism says Jews in Israel are one bloc and Palestinians are another. But for Marxists, it's obvious Israel is just as class divided as any other society. Marxists should try to win Israeli workers away from Zionism and toward Palestinian liberation. Palestine won't be free without the destruction of the Zionist state and the Israeli workers won't be able to free themselves from exploitation/oppression by the Zionist bourgeoisie without fighting to free Palestine
No.1837067
If DDR did denazification, Palestine can do dezionification period.
No.1837161
>>1834127Pissrahellis can have their promised land six feet underground or in the dephts of the mediterranean
No.1837162
>>1837065>Israeli workersOxymoron
Total """"israeli"""" removal is the only correct stance
No.1837165
Daily reminder settlers aren't proletarian not opressed, anyone who says otherwise is either delusional or ill intended
No.1837166
Wisconsin
Nebraska
One of the dakotas
Montana
No.1837173
>>1837166Why the midwest? It's southern evangelical nutjobs who love zionists
No.1837202
>>1837173I imagine it's because the great plains christians are descended from manifest destiny puritans who came from southern calvinist denominations and had cult like tendencies but idk the history of that
No.1837521
>>1837154Based and Anti-Revisionist pilled. Jews don't even count as a nation, that has been the Marxist view ever since Marx said so.
No.1837684
>>1837162No it isn't. Zionist bourgeoisie deliberately created a Jewish working class in Israel. "Conquest of Labor" and "Conquest of Land." Try reading a fucking book.
Removal to where? There's a difference between people who just got there from Brooklyn last week an people whose families have been there for decades. They have every much as right to live there.
>>1837165Israel has some of the worst working conditions and living standards in the "developed" world. The Israeli capitalists aren't oppressed: they oppress the Palestinians and this oppression is the source of the exploitation and oppression of Israeli workers. You're drawing a false line. Palestine won't be free unless the Zionist state is split. Shit like what you're saying just tells Jewish workers they had better support Netanyahu forever
No.1837763
>>1837684>>1837684Now tell about the oppressed Rhodesian and South African Boer working class
Even better, tell me about the poor oppressed German settlers in Eastern Europe during WW2
No.1837768
>>1837684>Palestine won't be free unless the Zionist state is destroyed and every single settler forced to swin back to Poland across the mediterraneanFify ziocuck
No.1837773
>>1837763>>1837768This sounds really r-r-radical but it's not. It's just bourgeois nationalism.
No.1837784
Eastern Germany, even if it's not necessary. Germany may just give them a province to be extra servile to the USA. And then force it on the east for extra butthurt, to further conflate rightoids and communists. Gawd that would be funny.
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